There must be a reckoning for this day of infamy

[panzerfaust]

Source: Guardian

The problem in Iraq, we're now told, was a lack of preparation, or the wrong kind of planning, or mistakes in implementation. If only, say the neocons, we had put our man Ahmad Chalabi in charge from the start, the Iraqis wouldn't have felt so humiliated. If only we hadn't dissolved the army, the pragmatists insist, the insurgency would never have taken off. If only the Brits had been running the show, mutter the old Whitehall hands, all would have been different. The problem, it turns out, was not the invasion and occupation of a sovereign Arab oil state on a tide of official deceit, but the way it was carried out.

Meanwhile, we're being subjected to a renewed barrage of spin about the success of the US surge in turning the country round, quelling the violence and opening the way to a sunlit future. In an echo of his notorious "mission accomplished" speech of May 2003, George Bush yesterday proclaimed the Iraq war a "major strategic victory" in the "war on terror"...

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/mar/20/iraq

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Even now, so few people are able to speak the truth on this.

We, without justification, invaded a sovereign nation: The people of which are still resisting the invaders.

[Baby Snooks]

1. All eyes turn to Pelosi..

When you really look closely, she has never really condemned the war and has never really made an attempt to stop it. It is "off the table" as well. Worth it, no doubt, on some level.

Osama bin Laden is not dead. He is not some creation of the "neo-cons" and the oligarchists. Or of the Bushes. He is a real threat to us.

What success can be claimed by a president who has enabled and empowered the very terrorism he claims he declared war on? He has destroyed three countries. Afghanistan, Iraq and the United States. And yet the target of the "war on terror" is again delivering warnings to everyone. He has not liberated Afghanistan or Iraq. He has plunged both into the Dark Ages of Islam. The same Dark Ages to be found in the caves in which Osama bin Laden lives. What absolute moral hypocrisy to talk about liberation and victory. We have had neither.

As Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi has incredible power and part of that power is to literally shut down the government by refusing to allow a budget to be passed. Which is what she should have done.

She should have told Bush that if he wanted to continue his "war on terror" that he should send the bill to Halliburton.

And then she should have allowed a bill of impeachment to go to the floor of the House of Representatives. And told the Republicans, pass this and then we will pass a budget. Without provision for a war the majority of Americans did not and do not support.

[eib1]

2. When you look at this:

Quote:

When you really look closely, she has never really condemned the war and has never really made an attempt to stop it. It is "off the table" as well. Worth it, no doubt, on some level. end quote.

You can't help realizing that this person and her friends are probably benefiting from the war. It's the only reason they'd support it.

[mwb970]

4. I cannot understand the lack of interest in impeachment.

There certainly was no problem investigating Bill Clinton for everything and impeaching him over nothing. Yet bush commits impeachable offenses continuously for seven years and the very idea of impeachment remains "off the table". It is maddening.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

5. I read something interesting yesterday, over at TPM.

A response to a response stated much like yours. It started me thinking. I like things that make me think and weigh various things. Keeps me agile.

It went something like this: "OBL and AQ are political frames".

Think about it. After 911, OBL immediately denied any connection to the plot. Evidence of connection has been spotty, tainted by manipulation of the commission on 911, and none of it has lead to the capture of OBL or anyone that was involved in the plot. Oh sure, that Khalid Sheik made an underwater confession, but you could get a ham sandwich to confess to being pastrami under the same circumstances.

A most interesting response, there at TPM. Glorious in its succinctness.

[Swagman]

3. "If only, say the neocons, we had put our man Ahmad

If only, say the neocons, we had put our man Ahmad Chalabi in charge from the start, the Iraqis wouldn't have felt so humiliated."

yeh sure..the bloke who spent 99% of his life living outside Iraq. :rofl: :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[DavidDvorkin]

6. There should be a day of reckoning, but there won't be

Not for those responsible for this horror and madness, anyway. They'll swagger away to their comfortable retirements, lauded and rewarded by their peers.

[Karenina]

7. I'm so sorry,

but the AMERICAN PEOPLE are RESPONSIBLE. There is no way around that.