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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:36 PM
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Hillary's Former Pastor A CHILD MOLESTER!!!!!!
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/80486/


Is It Hillary's Turn to 'Denounce and Reject' a Problematic Pastor?

Posted by Steven Reynolds, The All Spin Zone at 10:08 AM on March 24, 2008.

We hear about Rev. Wright’s racism 24/7, but there's nary a peep about Clinton's former pastor who's been convicted for sexual child abuse.

The blogs are talking about it, but the mainstream news is not. Still, this is interesting. Blogs such as AdvanceAmericablog, commondreams.org, the National Journal’s Hotline, and wakeupfromyourslumber.com are talking about the scandal that has enveloped the former Pastor of the Clintons, but it appears only the Utica, NY newspaper is covering the story. The rest of the mainstream media is silent. Perhaps the story isn’t divisive enough for the mainstream media to take notice. Of course, it is as unfair to blame Hillary Clinton for her former pastor’s abuses just as it is unfair to blame Barack Obama for Rev. Wright. Still, that means the mainstream media is far more enamored of condemning Obama for his Rev. Wright’s tirades about 9/11 and race than it is concerned with the plight of a seven year old girl abused by Hillary Clinton’s former pastor. From the Utica Observer-Dispatch:



UTICA -- When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
But as the former Clinton pastor was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.
"As a minister of God, you got on the stand and you lied," Dwyer told Procanick, the 54-year-old former pastor of Resurrection Assembly of God church on Kirkland Avenue.
A jury found Procanick guilty Jan. 22 of first-degree sexual abuse and endangering the welfare of a child.
Let me be clear here. Hillary Clinton has nothing to apologize for, nor should she feel tainted because her former Pastor, William Procanick has been convicted of sexual child abuse of a seven year old girl. By the same token, Barack Obama has no responsibility for the words of Rev. Wright, nor for the words of his successors in the pulpit. All of these people have personal responsibility, and Rev. Procanick is going to be answering for his crime. Hillary Clinton has no need to “denounce and reject” the man. Indeed, it may be a good thing if she were to express her sorrow for his crimes and compassion for those the man hurt. But she has no obligation.



The irresponsibility here is on the media, who wish to blow out of proportion those issues which will inevitably divide Americans, by focusing on the behavior of Barack Obama’s former Pastor, while ignoring other transgressions by the pastors of Presidential candidates, even though Hillary Clinton’s former Pastor has actually been convicted of a crime.


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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:37 PM
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1. I should have said
a SCUMBAG Child Molester
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:37 PM
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2. Better do your research on this one
it was a town called Clinton, but then you Obama supporters don't know how to research so you can have a pass on this one.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:48 PM
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6. It's not an opinion piece
it's a posted and linked story-deal with it
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:50 PM
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7. research it you will will find it is bogus
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:53 PM
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11. no YOU disprove it
I'm not in the business of defending liars OR hypocrites-so let's see it
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:00 PM
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14. Try this
The guy was the pastor of a small TOWN called Clinton. Not Hillary Clinton's pastor. Or Bill's. He was pastor of the small TOWN Clinton, NY 13323.

Try the internets, it is a wonderful tool. 2 minutes of Googling will get you his name and church and the report. Next time, do your own research
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:10 PM
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23. For starters she not a member of Assembly of God, she's a
Methodist. In the defense of the members of the Assembly Of God they don't know what the pastor does in private. There's no comparison to what a man does in private and what a man does on the pulpit for all to see and hear, and to have it video taped. In that case you see and hear first hand.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:43 PM
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3. Hillary still belongs to the Methodist church in Little Rock.
How can this guy be her pastor? She has never moved her church membership. He is Assembly of God anyway.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:50 PM
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8. yes, the story is bogus
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:34 PM
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31. This is pretty funny.
Wonder if KO will breathlessly report it this evening. I hope he does.
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tv45 Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:46 PM
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4. Even Worse...
Funny, I actually just read an article entitled "In Light of Obama Pastor Scandal, Hillary 'Thankful' to Worship Devil". Makes the point that it might be less offensive to white America than an angry black man. Funny stuff.

http://www.thearch-info.com/News/Politics/Hillarys_Underground_Network.html

If the Clinton pastor pedophile story is true, certainly the media will pick it up w/ gusto once the Obama story no longer gets ratings and hence leaves the news cycle. They're a bunch of jackals.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:47 PM
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5. LOL
welcome tv45
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:51 PM
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9. the story is bogus
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:11 PM
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24. Read, bubba, read.
The post is a joke. Jesu Cristo!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:03 PM
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18. LOL! Outstanding.
... but that's a nervous laugh. I deathly afraid of people with dark skin. Especially if they seem angry.

:evilgrin:
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:14 PM
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25. TV5, spoken like a true repb., go back where you came from.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:52 PM
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10. I need clarification from the Hillary campaign: if her pastor is a molestor, is she one, too?
That's the way it works, isn't it?
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:54 PM
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12. "the story is bogus"
nothing to see here, move along, move along"-except for one thing, I haven't SEEN anything except a couple of posts SAYING it is "bogus"
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:01 PM
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15. here
The guy was the pastor of a small TOWN called Clinton. Not Hillary Clinton's pastor. Or Bill's. He was pastor of the small TOWN Clinton, NY 13323. 2 minutes of research using Google confirmed that.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:01 PM
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17. Okay, let me rephrase: If her pastor is NOT a molester, does that mean she is not a molester, too?
Guilt by association is all the rage; does it apply to innocence as well?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:01 PM
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16. You Obamatrons need to learn to research
The guy was the pastor of a small TOWN called Clinton. Not Hillary Clinton's pastor. Or Bill's. He was pastor of the small TOWN Clinton, NY 13323. 2 minutes of research using Google confirmed that.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:04 PM
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19. it works for me...let me use my Hillaroid logic
town called Clinton=child molester Hillary Clinton MUST be one too...it works for Obama's pastor. Hey you got your own set of bad news right now with LIARGATE and all and Obama surging in NC-up 20 points today over the liar
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:05 PM
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20. Left your sense of humor in the drawer today, eh? Pity.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:08 PM
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21. SoFlaJet must be willing to stoop to any level to smear someone.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:15 PM
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26. Hm. Well, it's pretty clear to me that the story seems flawed at best. However, let's not forget...
... the dozens and dozens of posts that have been excreted onto DU from such wonderful sources as Newsmax, Bill O'Reilly, and Rush Limbaugh. They were using, shall we say, compromised "facts".
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:30 PM
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30. Yes... those sources are generally very unreliable
in this case the poster added their own twist just because a name was used.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:56 PM
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13. Even if the story weren't bogus
the real issue would be if the minister preached a pro-pedophilia message from the pulpit.

One shame of the priest sex scandals is that there was a pattern of cover up by the hierarchy. Presumably most people in the pews had no idea this was going on and would, of course, have wholeheartedly been repulsed. Many have left the church because of it, and the Catholic church, at least, has paid millions in restitution (not to mention that I am a Catholic and I have to listen to pedophilia jokes almost every day of week). I am not trying to demean the crime, but I think it's fair to say that most parishioners were appalled.




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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:08 PM
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22. God, I hope that's a joke.
the real issue would be if the minister preached a pro-pedophilia message from the pulpit


Would you care to share exactly what part of Wright's speeches could even vaguely equate to child molestation?

Even if we assume that the author of the OP was duped by this story, it should be clear to anyone whose view is not blocked by their sphincter that some of us are simply making fun of the whole situation.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:19 PM
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27. My view is blocked from my sphincter?
What is with the insults?

I am trying to point out a legitimate difference in the two situations (and I am also trying to do it without mentioning the TUCC).

It's apples and oranges. If a minister is guilty of a crime that happened away from the church, it's not something the congregation would generally be aware of, and it also is likely that it's also not a topic of discussion in sermons.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:23 PM
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28. I got the comparison just fine. No explanation necessary.
As for the rest ... it seems you understand me just fine, too.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:50 PM
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32. I'm so tired of personal insults
Also, name calling. No need.

I am Catholic, and I know many, many Catholics who left the church for various reasons, some are to do with message, others because of the priest scandal. I myself changed churches over the interference in the 2004 election. We all soldier on.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:28 PM
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29. Procanick is the former pastor of Resurrection Assembly of God church in Clinton.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:54 PM
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33. Just another typical Obama supporter. What a tool.
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