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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 06:38 AM
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9-11 tidbits... I get sicker and sicker w/each new revelation..
Stewardess ID'd Hijackers Early, Transcripts Show
by Gail Sheehy



Hearing the taped voice of a courageous flight attendant as she calmly narrated the doomed course of American Airlines Flight 11 brought it all back. The frozen horror of that September morning two and a half years ago. The unanswered questions. Betty Ong narrated that first hijacking right up to the moment that Mohamed Atta drove the Boeing 767 into the north tower of the World Trade Center.

Twenty-three minutes into her blow-by-blow account, Ong’s voice abruptly ceased. "What’s going on, Betty?" asked her ground contact, Nydia Gonzalez. "Betty, talk to me. I think we might have lost her."

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"Whether or not my husband’s plane was shot down," the widowed Mrs. Homer said, "the most angering part is reading about how the President handled this."

Mr. Bush was notified 14 minutes after the first attack, at 9 a.m., when he arrived at an elementary school in Sarasota, Fla. He went into a private room and spoke by phone with his national security advisor, Condoleezza Rice, and glanced at a TV in the room. Mrs. Homer’s soft voice curdles when she describes his reaction: "I can’t get over what Bush said when he was called about the first plane hitting the tower: ‘That’s some bad pilot.’ Why did people on the street assume right away it was a terrorist hijacking, but our President didn’t know? Why did it take so long to ground all civilian aircraft? In the time between when my husband’s plane took off and when the second plane hit in New York <9:02 a.m.>, they could have turned back to airfield."



http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage1.asp


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JailForBush Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 06:50 AM
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1. God damn the Democratic candidate if he doesn't make an issue
out of George Bush's actions on September 11. If I was running against Bush, I'd replay the video of George Bush sitting on his butt reading a story about a pet goat on TV, over and over and over and over, under the headline "TRAITOR." As far as I'm concerned, a candidate who's too gutless or too "civil" to do that doesn't deserve to be President.
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gonefishing Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 06:53 AM
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2. That’s some bad pilot
and don't forget the trifecta joke.

Wake up America this man is not a leader!!!!
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 06:55 AM
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3. I'm having some issues right now
I thought that I saw a news report stating that Mohammed Atta was found in Germany the day after the towers came down.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 05:18 PM
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4. OMG -- Melody Homer ... I went to school with her ...
I saw her briefly on the news, when Bush was at the Flight 93 crash site and she was in the group of bereaved family members, towards the back. I saw her looking at him, but it was difficult to tell what she was thinking. Now I know.

She is a very tough, very sensible person. Even at age 11, she wouldn't say things just to get attention or go along with the crowd. If she's concerned about all of this ... she has thought it out and has good reasons.


Thanks so much for posting, Sugarbleus.



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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 07:26 PM
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5. Was it clearly terrorism before the second airplane hit?
I didn't know about 9/11 until both towers had collapsed, because that particular morning I didn't turn on the news because I was tired of Chandra Levi and shark attacks and etc. But I gather it wasn't really clear it was a terrorist attack until the second plane hit.

An acquaintance tells me he was watching the morning show right after the first plane hit, and they showed a computer graphics animation of the plane hitting. He was impressed they had been able to do this in only a few minutes, before realizing what he actually saw was live video of the second plane hitting.

The local alternative paper had a story about a pilot of another plane that was close enough to Manhatten to see the first plane hit. The pilot was an evangelical Christian and his first thought was that the Rapture had happened; he almost asked his flight attendents to see if any his passengers had mysteriously disappeared.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:22 PM
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6. It wasn't clear to folks like you or me
But consider the fact that the pResident has access to information and communications that the rest of are not privy to before and during the event, it should have been crystal clear.

When W arrived at Booker Elem, he told the reports that he knew about the first tower and would make a statement later. If he knew about the first tower, then he probably also knew that at least 3 other hijackings in progress. And even if he didn't know that, he did know from his PDB's that al Qaeda was planning to attack US targets with hijacked planes. So if it wasn't clear to W as soon as he heard about the 1st plane than he is too incompetent to be president.


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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:43 PM
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7. Left Behind!!! Oh No!!!
The pilot was an evangelical Christian and his first thought was that the Rapture had happened; he almost asked his flight attendents to see if any his passengers had mysteriously disappeared.

If he was a fundy thinking it was the rapture happening, he must have been shitting bricks that he hadn't been sucked up to heaven with the rest of them. Tribulation here I come.

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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:55 PM
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8. FYI West Coasters, March 26-28 International Inquiry into 9-11 in Frisco.
Whereas the tragic events of 9-11 have been used by the United States government to justify a war upon the world, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights;

Whereas the Joint House and Senate Inquiry of September 11, 2001 and the Independent National Commission on Terrorist Attacks have not served to “reveal the truth about the events of September 11, 2001,” but to justify increasing the power of the National Security State;

Whereas the mass-circulation press in the United States has failed to ask the most basic questions about what actually happened on September 11, 2001, and has supported the extension of U.S. military might throughout the world;

We, who question the official narrative of September 11, 2001, and question the path the U.S. government has chosen in its wake, believe a public inquiry-- asking who, what, how, when and why -- into those events is vitally necessary. Therefore, this Inquiry intends to bring together, to share what they have learned with the world, independent researchers, questioners, seekers of evidence, authors, film-makers: all those who desire and work to discover the truth about September 11, 2001.

Our hope is to create a safe space for new witnesses and testimony to come forward, and to deepen common understanding of the enormously complex events that preceded, occurred on and followed the attacks of September 11th 2001. Evidence suggests that September 11, 2001 was a special operation designed to terrorize Americans into silent conformity, to legitimize the crushing of dissent throughout the world, and to gain public support for imperial wars. Our hope is to disempower “the war game” once and for all, by exposing the criminal actions of those in power who committed crimes against humanity to advance that power.

<snip>

Invited and * confirmed speakers include-

Mike Ruppert* From the Wilderness
Daniel Hopsicker* Mad Cow Morning News

Kris Millegan* Trine Day Press

Alex Jones* Info Wars

Nafeez Ahmed, Author of The War on Freedom- How and Why America was Attacked September 11, 2001

Andreas Von Buelow* Former German Minister, who authored "The CIA and September 11" (but he is concerned that he won’t be allowed into the country, at this time)

Thierry Meyssan* Author of The Big Lie and The Pentagate (but government wouldn't give him a visa last December and Pentagon said he “is unwelcome in the U.S.”)

Ken Jenkins* Videographer 9-11 Activist

Barrie Zwicker* Producer of "The Great Deception"

Riva Enteen* Member of The National Lawyer's Guild

Joyce Lynn* Journalist Editor of Political Diary

Eric Hufschmid*Author of Painful Questions- An analysis of the September 11th Attack

Jerry Russell* Webmaster of 9-11Strike.com

Bruce Gagnon* Coordinator for the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space

Ralph Schoenman* and Mya Shone* Co-Producer with Ralph Shoenmann of the Radio Program-Taking Aim

Jim Marrs* Author of The War on Freedom- The 9-11 Conspiracies

Ellen Mariani*,wife of 911 victim and her attorney Phil Berg* (Ellen Mariani filed a civil RICO action lawsuit against President Bush and other high level members of his administration based upon prior knowledge of 911; knowingly failing to act, prevent or warn of 911; and the ongoing obstruction of justice by covering up the truth of 911; all in violation of the laws of the United States.) www.911forthetruth.com


http://www.deceptiondollar.com/Inquiry911.htm

The next one will be in Toronto, Canada (AKA Soviet Canuckistan) May 30 to June 13. http://www.deceptiondollar.com/Inquiry911Toronto.htm

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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 03:15 AM
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9. how does this story fit with MIHOP or LIHOP?
read here at DU that these planes were military and there were no passengers.oh, and they shot missiles at the towers before hitting.




Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.
Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:52 AM
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11. Lots of odd ideas are discussed here.....
Some of the weirder conspiracy theories seem fairly improbable. Just people kicking around ideas...

However, most scenerios discussed are well within the realm of the possible. Neither LIHOP nor MIHOP require the (somewhat awkwardly worded) possibilities that you recount.

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 06:25 AM
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10. here are the three Sheehy articles on 9-11
the last one is a repeat of the link you provide. the first two are the articles Sheehy wrote before this latest one for the NY Observer.


http://www.gailsheehy.com/9_11/9_11_art5.html


From the NY Observer in Aug.

"I don't understand, with all the warnings about the possibilities of Al Qaeda using planes as weapons, and the Phoenix Memo from one of your own agents warning that Osama bin Laden was sending operatives to this country for flight-school training, why didn't you check out flight schools before Sept. 11?"

"Do you know how many flight schools there are in the U.S.? Thousands," a senior agent protested. "We couldn't have investigated them all and found these few guys."

"Wait, you just told me there were too many flight schools and that prohibited you from investigating them before 9/11," Kristen persisted. "How is it that a few hours after the attacks, the nation is brought to its knees, and miraculously F.B.I. agents showed up at Embry-Riddle flight school in Florida where some of the terrorists trained?"

"We got lucky," was the reply.

Kristen then asked the agent how the F.B.I. had known exactly which A.T.M. in Portland, Me., would yield a videotape of Mohammed Atta, the leader of the attacks. The agent got some facts confused, then changed his story. When Kristen wouldn't be pacified by evasive answers, the senior agent parried, "What are you getting at?"

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http://www.gailsheehy.com/9_11/9_11_art1_21.html

From the NY Observer in Jan.

"During her six months of work for the Bureau, Ms. Edmonds said she grew increasingly horrified by the lack of internal security she saw inside the very agency tasked with protecting our national security.

In papers filed with the F.B.I.'s internal investigative office, the Department of Justice, the Senate Judiciary Committee, and most recently with the 9/11 Commission, she has reported serious ongoing failures in the language division of the F.B.I. Washington Field Office. They include security lapses in hiring and monitoring of translators, investigations that have been compromised by incorrect or misleading translations sent to field agents; and thousands of pages of translations falsely labeled "not pertinent" by Middle Eastern linguists who were either not qualified in the target language or English, or, worse, protecting targets of investigation.

Nothing happened. Undaunted, Ms. Edmonds took her concerns to upper management. Soon afterward she was fired. The only cause given was "for the convenience of the government." The F.B.I. has not refuted any of Ms. Edmonds' allegations, yet they have accounted for none of them.

On the morning Ms. Edmonds was terminated, she said, she was escorted from the building by an agent she remembered saying: "We will be watching you and listening to you. If you dare to consult an attorney who is not approved by the F.B.I., or if you take this issue outside the F.B.I. to the Senate, the next time I see you, it will be in jail." Two other agents were present."

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http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage1.asp

From the NY Observer this week-

"We know what she said from notes, and the government has them," said Mary Schiavo, the formidable former Inspector General of the Department of Transportation, whose nickname among aviation officials was "Scary Mary." Ms. Schiavo sat in on the commission’s hearing on aviation security on 9/11 and was disgusted by what it left out. "In any other situation, it would be unthinkable to withhold investigative material from an independent commission," she told this writer. "There are usually grave consequences. But the commission is clearly not talking to everybody or not telling us everything."

This is hardly the only evidence hiding in plain sight.

The captain of American’s Flight 11 stayed at the controls much of the diverted way from Boston to New York, sending surreptitious radio transmissions to authorities on the ground. Captain John Ogonowski was a strong and burly man with the instincts of a fighter pilot who had survived Vietnam. He gave extraordinary access to the drama inside his cockpit by triggering a "push-to-talk button" on the aircraft’s yoke (or wheel). "The button was being pushed intermittently most of the way to New York," an F.A.A. air-traffic controller told The Christian Science Monitor the day after the catastrophe. "He wanted us to know something was wrong. When he pushed the button and the terrorist spoke, we knew there was this voice that was threatening the pilot, and it was clearly threatening."

According to a timeline later adjusted by the F.A.A., Flight 11’s transponder was turned off at 8:20 a.m., only 21 minutes after takeoff. (Even before that, by probably a minute or so, Amy Sweeney began her report to American’s operations center at Logan.) The plane turned south toward New York, and more than one F.A.A. controller heard a transmission with an ominous statement by a terrorist in the background, saying, "We have more planes. We have other planes." During these transmissions, the pilot’s voice and the heavily accented voice of a hijacker were clearly audible, according to two controllers. All of it was recorded by a F.A.A. traffic-control center in Nashua, N.H. According to the reporter, Mark Clayton, the federal law-enforcement officers arrived at the F.A.A. facility shortly after the World Trade Center attack and took the tape."



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