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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 03:51 AM
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Are conservatives happier then liberals?
Interesting article but I have to say that I disagree with it's conclusions. People's politics are shaped by their own happy or unhappy experiences, not the other way around.

http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10924082

Several books have been written about happiness in recent years. Some have tried to discern which nations are the happiest. Many more purport to offer a foolproof guide to self-fulfillment. Others wonder if the obsessive pursuit of happiness is itself making people miserable. Mr Brooks offers something different. He writes only about Americans, thus avoiding the pitfalls of trying to figure out, for example, whether Japanese people mean the same thing as Danes when they say they are happy. And he writes intriguingly about the politics of happiness.

In 2004 Americans who called themselves “conservative” or “very conservative” were nearly twice as likely to tell pollsters they were “very happy” as those who considered themselves “liberal” or “very liberal” (44% versus 25%). One might think this was because liberals were made wretched by George Bush. But the data show that American conservatives have been consistently happier than liberals for at least 35 years. This is not because they are richer; they are not. Mr Brooks thinks three factors are important. Conservatives are twice as likely as liberals to be married and twice as likely to attend church every week. Married, religious people are more likely than secular singles to be happy. They are also more likely to have children, which makes Mr Brooks confident that the next generation will be at least as happy as the current one.

When religious and political differences are combined, the results are striking. Secular liberals are as likely to say they are “not too happy” as to say they are very happy (22% to 22%). Religious conservatives are ten times more likely to report being very happy than not too happy (50% to 5%). Religious liberals are about as happy as secular conservatives.

Why should this be so? Mr Brooks proposes that whatever their respective merits, the conservative world view is more conducive to happiness than the liberal one (in the American sense of both words). American conservatives tend to believe that if you work hard and play by the rules, you can succeed. This makes them more optimistic than liberals, more likely to feel in control of their lives and therefore happier. American liberals, at their most pessimistic, stress the injustice of the economic system, the crushing impersonal forces that keep the little guy down and what David Mamet, a playwright, recently summed up as the belief that “everything is always wrong”. Emphasising victimhood was noble during the 1950s and 1960s, says Mr Brooks. By overturning Jim Crow laws, liberals gave the victims of foul injustice greater control over their lives. But in as much as the American left is now a coalition of groups that define themselves as the victims of social and economic forces, and in as much as its leaders encourage people to feel helpless and aggrieved, he thinks they make America a glummer place.

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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 04:05 AM
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1. Interesting
I don't know if I agree with this but it is one point of view
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 04:08 AM
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2. The Question Is: Happy About What?
If you want to know who is happy with things being the way they are, then of course the conservatives are happier--they've been in power like pigs in shit, abusing it all over the place.

If you want to know who is envisioning a happier life for all, then look towards the secular liberals--and let them start the badly needed reforms. Then watch the national happiness quotient rise, as the victims of Conservatism start to see justice come to their abusers, and opportunity to themselves and their children. Happiness in equality is a liberal agenda.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 04:43 AM
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3. Hell yes.. They don't do any thinking.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:46 AM
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11. So, going by that logic....
...thinking is what makes you miserable! :crazy:
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 04:59 AM
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4. Ignorance is bliss.
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raincity_calling Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:11 AM
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18. I was thinking the very same thing.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:13 AM
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19. Exactly what I was thinking. nt
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Oldenuff Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 04:13 AM
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25. Me too..
I logged on to reply without even reading the post first...rats, the two of ya beat me to it.:-(

Nonetheless....I believe the saying holds true for a large percentage of conservatives.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 05:01 AM
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5. Of course they are.
They blithely go about their lives, fucking things up for everyone around them, not caring about their abject selfishness until something about it affects them. "Boo Hoo! We can't afford Europe this year because the currency is so low! Why is the currency so low!"

They drive their gas guzzling SUVs because thhey CAN, and they WILL, dammit. There's no global warming, and Timmy likes to watch the TV in the back. They'll drive what they want to drive, dammit. Al Gore isn't gonna tell them what to drive!

I go to church on Sunday! That makes me a decent human being! Never mind what I do the other 6 days of the week!

Of course they're happier. They don't have those pesky things called "Consciences" to get in their way.

I've never been angrier since I've become a liberal. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 09:46 AM
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15. But they're still angry
They're angry that gays, Muslims and other not-wes are allowed to exist. They're angry that they have to push 1 to get English on the phone (because pushing a button is such an effort). And they're furious that America still bases its law on the Constitution rather than the Bible.
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hifalutin Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 05:05 AM
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6. Let's see,
I was married but now widowed, I have children, I did work hard, I do play by the rules, I am religious, I am a progressive and I am very, very happy.
Do I fit the criteria?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 05:44 PM
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20. Sure.
It doesn't say no secular liberals are happy. And it says that religious liberals are more happy than secular liberals. Overall.

That's the thing about descriptive stats, if they're accurate. Everybody fits the criteria.
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anniebelle Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 05:43 AM
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7. Outta sight, outta mind, heh?
I really believe as long as they can get to the nearest walmart and mcdonald's, every thing's just groovy with these right-wing morons. Just keep watching faux news and listening to phlembaugh lines on the radio -- go back to your homes, these people will be taken care of.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 05:54 AM
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8. I'm happy that I'm not a conservative
and that happiness stokes my will to live!
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SteinbachMB Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 06:31 AM
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9. Are Bloods
...happier than Crips?
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bronxiteforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:01 AM
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10. He is a con writer
His latest book, on American charitable giving, is Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism (Basic Books, 2006) which the Wall Street Journal called a "lucidly written, carefully distilled and persuasively cogent work, a tidy time-bomb of a book," and on which Brooks briefed President George W. Bush and the First Lady in February 2007.
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 09:19 AM
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13. He's a cheap RW suck-up ....
A large part of the data on "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism" was based on polling, so if a Freeper lied about contributing $5,000 to charity there was no way to verify (RWers don't like that word) and as far as that jackass Brooks is concerned Barbara Bush was "compassionate" when she contributed $10,000 (or whatever amount) to Katina victims ... provided of course the money was to be spent ONLY on educational software owned by one of her other worthless sons Neil.

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:58 AM
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12. Are conservatives happier then liberals?
Yes, because they have two political parties to repersent them and liberals have none.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 09:25 AM
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14. there is an obvious conclusion to this story
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 09:27 AM by Phred42
Ignorance is Bliss

For the same reason that Children are generally happier than adults.

Life is easier if you are capable of relinquishing critical thought (or never had it in the first place).

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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:06 AM
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16. And here I thought conservatives were 'happier' because they live outside of reality.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:03 AM
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17. ignorance is bliss
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 06:23 PM
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21. a confounding factor is that conservatives see saying you're unhappy as a sign of moral weakness
and liberals see saying you are happy as a sign of intellectual weakness.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:52 AM
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26. Yer wot?
liberals see saying you are happy as a sign of intellectual weakness.

How on earth is being happy a sign of intellectual weakness?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:13 PM
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28. shows an inaccurate, pollyanna perception of the world
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:34 AM
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30. What if we really have never had it so good?
And if other societies are so much better, why don't we all go and live over there?

I'm sorry, but the claim that being happy is a sign of intellectual weakness is yet more reason for many people not to take the left seriously and to look on lefties as being a bit wierd.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:55 AM
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31. I didn't say it was an absolutely true, it's just a tendency of thought. A great essay said lefties
internalize values and righties externalize them.

That is, once lefties decide something is just, necessary, and already taken care of, they stop talking about it, just do it, and talk about the things that aren't taken care of.

Righties feel a need to not only constantly re-affirm those things, but to have others re-affirm them for them, hence displays of patriotism and ''In God we trust'' on coins (because if they didn't see that there, they might forget there's a god).

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:31 PM
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22. Total BS
Wingers are bitter, angry, jealous losers. They deride actual accomplishment and detest people like John Edwards who actually worked for their success, while admiring people like *, who's never made an honest dollar in his life. If they were happy, they wouldn't get pissed because the minimum wage went all the way up to $6.00/hr.

This guy is a propagandist who's going to have a rough time when the people regain control over the world.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:27 AM
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23. "Oddly ... Mr Brooks thinks his country is doing .. well"
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:32 AM
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24. it is easier to be happier when you only care about yourself
MUCH easier
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Bosso 63 Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:05 AM
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27. Is saying that you are happy the same as being happy?
My guess would be that people who are "gifted" for denying external reality, would also be good at denying their internal emotional reality. Also, I believe John Stuart Mill said "Not all conservatives are stupid, but most stupid people are conservative." If that is the case, I would think that stupid people lack the capacity to be very self reflective, and as a result are going to answer this subjective question with a simple reflexive response that would tend to skew the results.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:02 AM
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33. Great, kick-butt post! Very insightful. nt
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:30 PM
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29. HMMM
I don't know if I buy it or not. I am happy with my family, friends and my life in my little corner of the world. I am extremely unhappy with the state of our country, an illegal invasion and the incompetence that has destroyed our economy.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:17 AM
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32. There's an inherent, unspoken bias at play here
It's the same one as always, it seems. Whenever people talk about conservative vs. liberal in these kinds of articles, the image of the conservate is Joe Surburbs, and the image of the liberal is Debbie Downer: someone who is bitter and full of bile, and pissed off at every little thing that happens in the world - someone who can always find the cloud surrounding the silver lining. There is no reason at all to believe that political leanings should have an impact on whether someone is happy or not.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:17 AM
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34. I think conservatives may think they are happier than liberals
because they only care about themselves. Progressives worry about "sex, lies and videotape". You know what I mean if you have seen the movie. My boss and I talk - he is a Democrat too - and when I am obsessing about some wrong I just say those words, sex. lies and videotape and we know of what I speak.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:16 AM
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35. Not according to this......
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