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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:15 PM
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A Shift in the Debate Over Global Warming: "Manhattan-like Project" now needed
NYT: Ideas & Trends
A Shift in the Debate Over Global Warming
By ANDREW C. REVKIN
Published: April 6, 2008

The charged and complex debate over how to slow down global warming has become a lot more complicated.

Most of the focus in the last few years has centered on imposing caps on greenhouse gas emissions to prod energy users to conserve or switch to nonpolluting technologies. Leaders of the Intergovernment Panel on Climate Change — the scientists awarded the Nobel Peace Prize last year with former Vice President Al Gore — have emphasized that market-based approach. All three presidential candidates are behind it. And it has framed international talks over a new climate treaty and debate within the United States over climate legislation.

But now, with recent data showing an unexpected rise in global emissions and a decline in energy efficiency, a growing chorus of economists, scientists and students of energy policy are saying that whatever benefits the cap approach yields, it will be too little and come too late.

The economist Jeffrey D. Sachs, head of the Earth Institute at Columbia University, stated the case bluntly in a recent article in Scientific American: “Even with a cutback in wasteful energy spending, our current technologies cannot support both a decline in carbon dioxide emissions and an expanding global economy. If we try to restrain emissions without a fundamentally new set of technologies, we will end up stifling economic growth, including the development prospects for billions of people.”

What is needed, Mr. Sachs and others say, is the development of radically advanced low-carbon technologies, which they say will only come about with greatly increased spending by determined governments on what has so far been an anemic commitment to research and development. A Manhattan-like Project, so to speak.

And time is critical, they say, as China, India and other developing nations march headlong into the modern world of cars and electric consumption on their way to becoming the dominant producer of greenhouse gases for decades to come. Indeed, China is building, on average, one large coal-burning power plant a week....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/weekinreview/06revkin.html
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:18 PM
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1. John Kerry called for a Manhatten-like project
four years ago. These people are just getting news of it???
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:19 PM
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2. Okay, "expanding" makes little sense as more Americans keep losing,
but otherwise I'll keep focused on the message of global warming. Especially as some of us walk when possible to work, have replaced incandescents with fluorescent, CRTs for LCDs, and scores of other green-friendly tactics before it became a fad; and was often told how I was "wasting money" by doing so.

I'd like to see more governments, including our own, provide more incentives. I'd jump at the shot...

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:20 PM
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3. This was a key part of nearly every speech Kerry made in 2002-3-4. Newsmedia yawned
and hit the edit button.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:08 PM
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4. it needs to be a NATIONALIZED program that feeds the profits into more research and scholarships to
to science/math degrees for the under classes to continue the research, and to build improved transmission systems and new technology, facilities

to send the technology world wide
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:00 PM
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5. Joe Romm, mentioned in the article, responded on his blog

"Welcome N.Y. Times readers to the debate of the decade: Technology development vs. deployment"
Andy Revkin writes in the New York Times today (see here) about what I believe is the climate debate of the decade. He mentions me and climateprogress.org by name (Note to self: Woo-hoo!).

This post will serve as an introduction to this crucial topic for new readers and old. I will devote many of the posts this week to laying out the “solution” to global warming, and a few to finishing off the debunking of the “technology breakthrough” crowd whose primary champion has been the Bush Administration but whose new champion is political scientist Roger Pielke (of recent Nature article fame). I hope you will stick around.

<snip>

http://climateprogress.org/2008/04/06/welcome-ny-times-readers-to-the-debate-of-the-decade-technology-development-vs-deployment/


Joe has also blogged quite a bit about Andy Revkin's reporting, a couple of examples:

"NASA’s Hansen responds to NYT’s Revkin" http://climateprogress.org/2008/03/24/nasas-hansen-responds-to-nyts-revkin/

"Inhofe recycles unscientific attacks on global warming, NYT’s Revkin gives him a pass" http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/21/debunking-inhofe-report-over-400-prominent-scientists-disputed-man-made-global-warming-claims-in-2007-andy-revkin/


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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:26 PM
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6. Thanks for this info, bananas! nt
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