Why Christians shouldn't vote for George W. Bush

[dolo amber]

OK, I'll 'fess up and admit I found this on the IntellectualConservatives.com site TOTALLY by accident, whilst looking for who might be cast in the US version of the British TV show "The Office" (of all things! :D). Anyway, I just thought I'd share it; it's...an interesting read, if nothing else. I especially liked this part (in reference to his *supposed* pro-life stance):

It is no exaggeration to say that President Bush kills babies. He uses his influence and power to perpetuate the Abortion Holocaust. Abortion abolitionists need to look beyond the Republican Party to find friends for the preborn. Those of us who supported George W. Bush and elected him to office may be responsible for the bloodshed that he perpetuated, either by way of our willful ignorance or our intentional refusal to judge righteous judgment, to judge President Bush by its fruit.

Oh yeah, and lots of references to his "evil fruit"...:silly:

[aquart]

1. Not a lot of candidates to make that group happy.

Pity.

[Catch22Dem]

2. Gives me an idea for a new topic

Why Christians shouldn't vote.

[dakota_democrat]

6. C'mon...

There's plenty of Christians that'll vote ABB.....I don't know how you can call yourself a Christian and vote for their own false God, Bush.

[onebigbadwulf]

3. What about his late term abortion ban?

I'm lost

[DU9598]

4. sounds like fun

A great site to cause turmoil amongst the fringe of the other side. Rumors and hatred already abound there. Go make more my fellow DU'ers.

[dakota_democrat]

5. Warning: Biblical discussion about anti-Christian Republicans coming...

I take my religion (Roman Catholicism) very seriously, and I can't believe people when they tell me that "true Christians can't vote for Democrats". Why? Because Democrats believe in free choice? This is funny, because I can think of a lot of religious references saying that the "religious right", or "Republican Christianity", is nothing near real Christianity.

Case in Point #1: Back in Genesis Adam and Eve committed the "original sin", so as punishment God took away mankind's utopia. He gave us the world we now know, and the power to distinguish between right and wrong, to basically make our own choices in the world. Republicans, by pushing to end abortion and homosexual rights, are undoing God's will to give humanity free choice and trying to create a horrible perversion of the utopia that we once had.

Case in Point #2: In the New Testament, Jesus preaches forgiveness and the ideas that God should judge humanity, not us. Teachings such as "He who is without sin, cast the first stone", "Judge not, lest ye be judged", and others teach real Christians that God is the one to judge, and ultimately condemn, those who are immoral. By trying to do it themselves, Republicans are trying to play God, which is addressed in the First Commandment: "I am the Lord your God, thou shall not have other Gods besides me."

I may not have the most liberal views toward abortion and homosexuality but, by living in a country that's supposed to have a separation of church and state, I've come to accept that the rights to engage in these activities are guaranteed in the Constitution, and that it would be downright unconstitutional to create laws or amendments that take away the woman's right to choose, or the right of homosexuals to be joined in civil unions/marriage.

How a Christian with any cognitive capacity can vote Republican, against their own beliefs, is beyond me.

The Dakotan Democrat

[SWPAdem]

8. You might like this article

from a non-practicing Catholic (with fond memories and gratitude for the social conscience)

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04039/270205.stm


"Have modern Christians become a people of two faiths divided by a common Bible? Looking at the increasing division among Christians on so many topics, it's hard not to think so. At a time when the walls dividing denominations from each other are crumbling, a new wall is rising -- one dividing Christians into two competing camps. In one camp are evangelicals, and in the other camp are progressives."

[dakota_democrat]

9. Great read...

Thanks a lot! As true as it is in my eyes, I've never thought much about it, great find! :think: I think it's pretty obvious on which side I find myself on.

[SWPAdem]

12. I thought so too

And you are absolutely correct about free choice...that is part of our belief system.

[Mad Cow Doc]

10. So you think MURDER is OK too????

By your "case in point #1" you say
"He gave us the world we now know, and the power to distinguish between right and wrong, to basically make our own choices in the world. Republicans, by pushing to end abortion and homosexual rights, are undoing God's will to give humanity free choice and trying to create a horrible perversion of the utopia that we once had."
You are saying that we should all be free to choose between right and wrong and that GOP wants to take that FREE choice from us and that creates a horrible perversion. So by that argument I should also be free to Murder and steal rape and plunder as I see fit. I would only be judged by God? Yet both parties would not give me such choices. Why is it that you want to judge which choices we limit by laws and which choices we leave to God??? Do the words "By the people" mean any thing to you???

[dakota_democrat]

11. Ouch, cut me some slack here...

Alright, let's compare (in a totally social context) rape, theft, and murder to homosexual unions...

Rape, murder, and theft trample on the rights of others to safety, personal privacy, and their right to own property/whatever someone would steal from them.

Homosexual unions trample on the rights of...(if there's an answer to this question, please reply with it, because I can't think of any)

I didn't take into much consideration other crimes/actions that weren't mentioned in my message, and that's my mistake. I obviously believe that a society should have (and needs) a social conscience of some sort to survive and am NOT JUSTIFYING the decision of someone to take another's life because it is the free choice that God gave to humanity. But, I believe that the social conscience idea should only be invoked WHEN IT TRAMPLES ON THE BASIC RIGHTS OF ANOTHER. Homosexual civil unions/marriages trample on the rights of no one as far as I can tell, and therefore I find no justification to make an amendment to outlaw it.

As for your last comment, "Why is it that you want to judge which choices we limit by laws and which choices we leave to God???"

Everyone that has ever argued/discussed this type of social theory has at some time put out what they believe, it's impossible not to. I simply believe that if (insert activity here) doesn't step on the rights of others, there isn't a justification to illegalize it.

The Dakotan Democrat

[SWPAdem]

13. My, we are having a snit fit, aren't we

Do you not understand the concept of separation of Church and State? We have CIVIC laws that provide penalties for crimes such as murder and rape. Criminals are not judged in church tribunals, are they? Some religions do not accept the Bible as valid, some do not believe that life begins at conception. Why should Americans that are agnostic, atheists or members of non mainstream religions be bound by the tenets of another? If you believe that abortion is wrong, or homosexuality is a sin, just say no. OK?

Methinks that you may be on the wrong board.

[dakota_democrat]

14. Thanks, SWPAdem...

for covering my back on this one! :pals:

[SWPAdem]

15. Hey

my 86 year old hard core Catholic father understands the difference. Glad to help out and welcome to DU. :toast:

[david_vincent]

7. LOL! I love that term, "preborn"

It always makes me wonder if that makes us "predeceased"!