Does Bush Evil paradoxically imply that God is real?

[wcepler]

You can't have authentic evil without good (or God). This is the biggest sticking point for classical atheism. Either evil is real or it isn't, but if it IS real, then so is good or goodness or God.

This is not semantics. This gut truth, life and death, realness.

Obviously, many would quibble at this implication, but there's as double question here. The first is does evil imply good (or ultimate goodness, i.e., God)? The second is have millions of humans (especially Americans) paradoxically opened their lives to Divinity as an inevitable response to the satanic evil of the Bush Family, the neocon cabal (representing the Israeli lunatic fringe right wing), the Republican Party in general, or to say it point blank: neo-Nazi fascism?

If so, how extraordinary, because what we're saying is that George W. Bush may have opened more people to God-like spirituality than any one man for hundreds of years. His evil is so limitless that probably millions of people think of him as being evil who have never factored evil into life before. But the filth of George W. Bush is so measureless that one even finds oneself thinking of him as the anti-Christ.

The sequence is straight forward. George Bush is self evidently monstrous evil. Monstrous evil implies "counter balancing" goodness, and goodness if raised to a high enough power becomes God-like.

The dynamic is that IF evil is real, it has certain necessary consequences, and Bush certainly seems to be evil incarnate, so is he a kind of living proof that God is real?

The question is a reminder that these aren't declarations or mathematical axioms; rather they are networks of plausibility’s that only your heart can open to or not open to.

It's infinitely ironic that if the dynamic works as described above, then the political army of devils of George Bush may be LITERALLY THAT, i.e., an army of devils.
Look at Cheney? Need any more proof?

“There are more things in heaven an earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
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W. Christopher Epler (Bill)

<http://theliberationofrealism.blogspot.com/>

[Mind_your_head]

1. Ehm, I'm not gonna put "George the drunkard" anywhere NEAR

being compared to G-d. Not even if you're saying that he is the opposite of G-d (which Satan isn't either, b/c Satan is a fallen angel ~ angels are G-d's creation....not an entity unto themselves. The creation can NEVER be more than the Creator.

You're attempting to present a ridiculous argument that only the "totally confused" will fall for. You'll waste a lotta people's time with this one (or was that your intention all along?).

Maybe people have better things to do with their time and intellect than to be led along these useless tangents.

Signing off from this thread,
M_Y_H

[bemildred]

2. Good and evil are opinions.

The universe doesn't care. It's up to us to care, or nobody will care.

[FirstLight]

3. Brilliant supposition...

I think it is a sure sign that God exists to see the evil and disaster wreaked on our planet at this tome...and the Bush cabal has certainly embodied that eeeevil...

Once, when staying in a "safe place" provided by the abused women's shelter...I had what could be called a vision, though my eyes were open and my body was immobile. I saw the darkness and awfulnes that would come of me staying with my abuser (in graphic images, that were not my usual "dreaming" state), and I couldn't get away, or move, or "wake up". The only thing I could remember from years of bible school as kid was a line from Psalm 23...and as I repeated it over and over, the room filled with light, and the shadows were gone and I could move again....I was free. I could only lay there breathless in wonder at the profoundity of that concept.
It's been 4 1/2 years since then, and it took some months to plan an escape, but we ARE free from that hell now...and I believed that it was a second chance to give my life to a higher purpose.
and every day I am grateful for that tangible understanding of the difference between evil and Lightness...

Until that time, I didn't want to believe in true evil...that it couldn't touch me because I refused to buy into it. That's not the Truth, evil does exist, in our very construct of our illusion of a world and economy and government - and we are being shown that on a collective level now.
I can only pray (no pun intended) that we can choose the Light (whatever that may be, just peace and love and compassion, no judgement) ..before this shadow consumes us too...

so that's my .02

[Trajan]

4. Isn't this a bastardization of Anselm's Ontological Argument ?

It is a fallacious appeal .... To wit: Anselm's Ontological Argument

http://www.positiveatheism.org/faq/anselm.htm

Anselm was a theologian fron the 11th century. In 1078 he wrote his famous book 'Proslogium', in which he presented an argument for the existence of God that is now known as Anselm's Ontological Argument. In my honest opinion it is quite preposterous, but as it has been very influential I'll discuss it. And I'm certainly not in bad company: among the opponents of Anselm are Thomas Aquinas and Immanuel Kant, whereas people like René Descartes, Baruch Spinoza and Gottfried Leibniz have presented arguments similar to Anselm's. One of those is discussed in Descartes' God-claim.

Anselm's Ontological argument goes like this:

1. God is the greatest thing that can be conceived. (Axiom)
2. If God did not exist, something greater than god would exist. (Axiom)
3. But no greater thing than god can be conceived. (Axiom 1, repeated)
4. Because 2 is in contradiction with 1, 2 cannot be true. Therefore, God must exist.

In other words:

1. Someone who doubts the existence of God at least knows what God is: the greatest thing that can be conceived
2. It is greater to exist outside the mind then just in the mind.
3. Therefore someone who doubts God says that something greater can be thought of than God.
4. This is in contradiction with the definition of God, and therefore cannot be true.
5. Hence God exists.

If it doesn't seem to make sense, read it over a couple of times. If it still doesn't seem to make sense, don't worry. It was probably not meant to. The arguments against Anselm are very numerous, and I'll give them now.

-snip-

I see the same kind of logical chicanery in this idea ....

[frebrd]

5. The only real "evil"

is in the perverted human psyche. The human is the only species with a sufficiently overdeveloped brain to render him capable of deliberate and calculated malice.

[mwb970]

6. bush is a political pervert.

"Evil" is an ill-defined concept for me, and the OP loses me in the twists and turns. But evil or not, bush is a very bad man, and a very, very bad president.