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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 02:17 PM
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Finally! A backlash against the super-rich!
The headline article on the Guardian American website this morning was: Now super-rich face a backlash as credit crunch hits home in America The author may be a little bit tardy in realizing that people are fed up with the shareholder class and the executive class prospering "beyond all dreams of avarice," while the rest of us struggle harder just to exist.

But America's relationship with wealth - uncomfortable as it has sometimes been - has always been built on the same foundation. Even as charted in the salutary tales of Fitzgerald, Steinbeck or Wolfe over the decades, or in the endless fascination with Howard Hughes and the fictional Ewings of Dallas, the aspiring masses never quite lost their admiration for blatant enrichment, nor the elite their pride in it. Now, however, all that appears to be changing.

The man with history's biggest annual pay packet is hedge fund manager John Paulson of Paulson & Company. But he is not alone, as the 'Alpha 25 list' of the super-rich published by Alpha financial magazine last week made clear. Up with Paulson were global markets gambler George Soros and rival dealer James Simons, who made $3bn apiece. Meanwhile ordinary Americans are being squeezed harder by inflation and the credit crunch, a stagnant economy, falling house values and rising unemployment - and, in a tax system rigged against them by successive conservative administrations, often pay proportionately twice as much tax as Paulson, Soros and their cohorts.

Here's where it starts to get interesting:
The widening gap that these trends are producing in US society is shaking traditional values to their roots. There are growing signs that the majority are losing faith in the remains of the American dream, while the chief beneficiaries of it feel guilty as never before. 'It's unprecedented that the superwealthy would express so much shame in public', said Robert Frank, author of the book Richistan, which chronicles the rise of America's new super-wealthy to a point where they live in a separate world of rarefied exclusivity. 'It is not just people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett standing up and saying "it's not fair". I spoke to 100 people earning over $10m who would not even admit to being rich: they feel ashamed about the inequality.'

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It does not seem to have changed the inequality gap in America, nor taken away fears that the equality of opportunity that is the essence of the American dream is being fatally undermined. And a lot of the concern freshly expressed by the rich for the poor, the environment - even the less rich - stems from self-interest anyway, says Robert Frank. In the big picture of Rothkopf's global 'superclass' and the Richistan that sustains the mega-billionaires in their excess, recession or no, Frank concludes: 'It's business as usual.'


"All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind."
-- Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations

"We must not forget ... it is the poor who are forced to make sacrifices while the possessors of great riches do not show themselves ready to renounce their privileges for the good of others." — Pope John Paul II

"For the greatest heretic of all is Jesus of Nazareth, who drove the money changers from the temple in Jerusalem as we must now drive the money changers from the temples of democracy." – Bill Moyers “A Time for Heresy”


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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 02:21 PM
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1. I doubt very much the super rich feel guilty, esp. those w/foundations.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 02:26 PM
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2. Agreed & Well Said
We are nothing more than "human resources" in their portfolios to serve them and make them even wealthier. They care about us only to the extent that we produce more income for them.


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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 02:31 PM
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4. Me either.
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 02:33 PM by mac2
Fact is they feel "entitled" to it for some reason. You slave me master type mentality. They are also arrogant.

Does Paris Hilton really need that $4,000 purse? Send her to India for an education. That's what Jackie O did to John. She sent him to India to see how the rest of the world lives without money. He became more liberal and he may have been killed for it. His sister (and Uncle Ted) belongs to one of those secret groups so I'm not sure any Kennedy is left who is for the people's democracy.

They certainly support more Catholic immigration and amnesty. Forget if it is good for the country or not. It's self interest. The Pope was pleased that America is one of their fastest growing populations. Of-course the church as been importing cheap foreign labor for their hospitals, churches, homes,etc. Even giving sanctuary to some which is against our immigration law.

As I stated previously church organizations are as rich or richer than some corporations.
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 03:54 PM
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8. Nietzsche called it "The Master Morality"
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 03:55 PM by LongTomH
(The Master) regards himself as a determiner of values; he does not require to be approved of; he passes the judgment: ‘What is injurious to me is injurious in itself;’ he knows that it is he himself only who confers honor on things; he is a creator of values. He honors whatever he recognizes in himself: such morality is self-glorification. - Friedrich Nietzsche


Also, Professor Ernest Partridge's commentary: A Master Morality
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:46 AM
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14. even Milton Friedman said charity by the wealthy and corporations is nothing more than PR
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:16 AM
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17. Charity begins at home.
They could have paid their employees more.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM
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18. I would admire an employer who treated his employees well and DIDN'T give to charity
more than one who treated them like crap and gave millions away.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:14 PM
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20. That's what the Robber Barons at the turn of the last
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 08:15 PM by mac2
century did..donate libraries, museums, etc. Was it ego or guilt?

When Warren Buffet gives his money away...I think how about giving lower rates to people for their insurance and paying your employees better? As a past worker now retired I think that way.

People complain about Oprah giving trips to her employees. Most just want more money. If they are to be rewarded they'd like to plan their own vacations, etc.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 02:28 PM
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3. "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich
man to enter the kingdom of heaven" I always liked that one, but then again I live at the poverty level.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 02:35 PM
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5. Rev. Wright certainly hasn't read that passage.
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 02:39 PM by mac2
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 05:02 PM
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10. How is that any different than an anti-poverty presidential candidate living in a mansion?
If his parishioners agreed to provide him a salary that enabled him to purchase such a property, then so be it. If Edwards' net worth is such that he has a mansion, so be it.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:29 PM
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11. Rev. Wright is not a lawyer or businessman is he.
He's a man of god. Do you really aspire to be a rich preacher...an Elmer Gantry like man?

His salary was suplimented with tax payer dollars for the needy. He gets a tax exempt status to help the poor not build a bigger home and pension for himself.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:49 PM
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13. And he's not running for president either
"His salary was suplimented with tax payer dollars for the needy."

Where did you locate this data? I'm quite interested. I know churches receive tax exemptions, I hadn't heard they get taxpayer dollars. Please point me to the source of this new information.

Is your beef generally with pastors who are given such parsonages by their church or narrowly by this pastor being given such?
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:08 AM
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15. Bush has given Afro-American churches billions for their
"charity" work. Our tax dollars. I don't approve of any pastor living so high...including Pat Robertson, the Pope, etc.

This big money corrupts religious groups. It silences them since you won't bite the hand that feeds you (and your wealth).

No I don't know exactly what money they get from us since it is not public knowledge. The IRS might be interested.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:12 AM
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16. You are right. Wright is not running for President and doesn't belong in
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 09:13 AM by mac2
the Obama campaign. He's clergy even if he's retired. He has self interest. He made himself and Obama a target because of it.

Is Obama running as part of that church with their agenda? We have to wonder at the connection. Like we do all candidates who use their religion for power.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:30 PM
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12. Edwards is not a preacher but a businessman.
He's successful in his field because of the risks he took. He probably did take charity cases.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 03:20 PM
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6. I think what we have
created is a system by which, unless you make many self-destructive choices, if you are rich you just keep getting richer without really trying to.

Look at the problems corporations have in finding CEO's. What they are actually looking for is somebody who can accept say, a million dollars per month without batting an eyelash and look at a minumum wage worker without shame.

I've always thought it would be nice to be rich and be able to have more choice over what to spend my money on. Things like a foundation supporting the arts, or medical research.

The problem is that the people (like Bush) who set up this system, view the world as a zero-sum game in which they have to take from the poor and give to the rich.

What actually makes the traditional American system work is that people who create wealth, get rich. Zero-summers do not understand the concept of "creating wealth".
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 03:52 PM
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7. mr kotex tampon heir, congressman senselessbrenner
plays scratch offs and wins thousands. isn't that great?!?
life sucks, don't it.
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 04:26 PM
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9. The below link illustrates it all too well
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vinylsolution Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:57 PM
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19. Eat the Rich!
Why the 95% majority (you and me) continues to allow the richest 5% (Republicans and corporate Dems) to keep screwing them over again and again, is completely beyond me....

It's time to go hunting this evil minority group:

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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:17 PM
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21. There are "other color" rich people. Every city has them.
It is a myth that all the rich are white.
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:38 PM
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22. ASHAMED????
They are characterized as ashamed? Not so ashamed as to do anything meaningful about it, in the main.
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