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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:57 PM
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God damn America Pt II
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 01:56 PM by truedelphi
In 1978, My parents (in their late fifties) my son, age three and myself went to Orlando FL.

Of course, having a three year old in our midst, it was only natural that we would visit Disney World.

Among the many things we did, was to get a ride on a buckboard pulled by a horse.


As we were getting on, a young Black boy, maybe nine or ten, approached us. "Can I ride with you,
Mister," he asked of my father.

"Sure, Son," my father said.

Now some rides at Disney World are ticketed, and some are not. This ride was free, and as there was ample room for all of us including the nine year old to sit, my mother and me joined in with, "C'mon. Make yourself at home."

The horse clambered along the cobblestone under some shade trees, and all of us relaxed, glad to be off our feet and not standing in line for rides. The nine yet old seemed to eagerly be taking in the usual sights.

The driver of the buckboard, who could have modeled for any surfer magazine in America, was a tall, golden haired white guy - maybe all of twenty. He had treated my mother and me with Southern hospitality, being all "Yes, ma'am. No, ma'am," whenever we said anything. As we were from Chicago, where being addressed as "ma'am" was only slightly less anachronistic than being addressed as "mi lady" we found him delightful and charming.

We had been on the buckboard for about five minutes, when the driver reined the horse in, jumped from the front section of the wagon, and came back towards us.

He reached into the seats, and grabbed the nine year old out. "You have no right disturbing these fine people."

He more or less tossed the kid out of the wagon, jumped back in and reined the horse along.
The kid, being agile, landed on his feet, and acting as if this sort of thing happened to him every day of the week, simply ambled away. This whole interaction had taken mere seconds.

All of us adults sat there in stunned silence. I don't think we could have been more shocked if our driver had pulled out an Ouzi and started shooting up the park. We could no longer enjoy the sun and the trees and the ambience. My father started to say something in protest, then apparently decided against it.

And here I was -- a speechless 28 yr old. Yes, despite my having been in countless anti-war, or anti-nuke protests, I was speechless. I was not angry - just stunned. The offense committed was so grievous, on some deep inner level of the soul, that I couldn't come up with a response.

We finished up the ride in silence, brushing aside the driver's pleasantries as we left the buckboard.

We left the park shortly after that. I thought of making a protest to one of the Disney World executives, but suddenly realized that all of the smiling employees that I had seen that day had been white people. What was being dealt out to that nine year old and to my family was a deeply ingrained institutionalized racism, and I felt like the fact that the driver had deliberately ignored the cues - such as my dad and mom talking to the kid about his school and hobbies, if the driver could miss picking up those cues, what cues were the executives of Disney World missing??

From time to time I have been offered jobs in Florida that paid well, and would have met my career and financial needs.

All I can say is I have never set foot in Florida again.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:03 PM
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1. Glad to see that racism doesn't exist in California
:sarcasm:

Not denying that there is plenty of racism here in Florida - but please, don't try to paint all of us like that. There's plenty of racism in pretty much every state.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:09 PM
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2. And of course, the first reply is from the Southern Defensive Force.
They always think such stories are 'picking on' the South, not realizing in their provincialism that the south IS different.

Thanks for your story.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:37 PM
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5. Try reading the entire post
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 01:39 PM by Paint It Black
And I quote:

From time to time I have been offered a job in Florida, one that paid well, and would have met my career and financial needs.

All I can say is I have never set foot in Florida again.


The OP could have made a very powerful statement with that post WITHOUT resorting to that little attack at the end.


PS: Go back and read my posts where I've defended Rev. Wright's comments about racism in this country. I fully recognize that it exists.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:27 PM
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3. And the kid's parents just let him ride off with strangers? um...riiight
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 01:29 PM by durrrty libby
The bullshit posted on this board is indeed endless....:dunce:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:32 PM
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4. Um, he did not seem to be accompanied by parents.
Having friends who grew up in Brookfield Illinois, (Near Chicago's Brookfield Zoo) I can say that neighborhood kids know how to sneak into amusement venues.

Hell, as an adult tired of the high ticket prices served out by the City of Sausalito
"Art Festivals" each Labor Day, with no parking, congested restaurants and trash left on the sidewalks for days afterwards for us residents, I admit it: I have learned how to sneak into amusement venues.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:42 PM
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6. "Sneaking" into Disney is not exactly like sneaking into the neighborhood zoo
It is off a major highway. Did the kid ride his little bikey there?

As a parent myself, I can not imagine saying "sure kid jump on" without asking where
his family was.

What a load or very ...very poor memory.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:54 PM
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7. I'll be posting a film of this happening today at eleven.
Will that make you happy!
:sarcasm:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:02 PM
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8. "a film"? More like a fantasy cartoon
It is god damn shameful to make up this type of nasty garbage.

This place has turned into a cesspool
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:29 PM
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9. 1978.
Times have changed.

People were not so paranoid as today, by a long shot. Kids had more freedom than today. When I was a kid, a little over a decade earlier, I'd go to the movies, wander around town by myself, nobody questioned it. Today, a kid sitting alone in a movie theater is cause for some concerned parent to let me know (I work at a theater p/t) and ask 'Do you know where his parents are?'

There is nothing unbelievable about this story.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:34 PM
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10. Disagree. People were aware of perverts then too. Story is bullshit on a stick
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:40 PM
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11. No wonder you're a conservative.
Scared of the world.

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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:48 PM
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14. I don't believe in child abuse, but I guess that's just me
:shrug:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 03:02 PM
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17. Well, I would guess that you don't know what you're talking about
because you weren't even born yet then - but OTOH, I did have a girlfriend in 77 who was terrified of living in the real world, too. There was a mugger behind every bush, and a pervert in every dark room. It was a terrible way to see the world.

Letting a kid hitch a ride on a horse drawn wagon in broad daylight in a gated public amusement park with a family of grandparents, parent and child doesn't seem terribly threatening to me, but I guess that's just me.

Now, the racist disregard of the driver, THAT is threatening.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:04 PM
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18. LOL...The amazing thing about DU is people say stupid shit with such authority
In a couple of post you said

“Scared of the world.”

“ No wonder you're a conservative.”

“I would guess that you don't know what you're talking about
because you weren't even born yet”


Don't ever try to pass yourself off as a psychic. All Lies and quite dumb.

This place has become a hazmat dump. Sad


P.S. The OP's story stinks. Disney has never allowed young children to run around alone.

Complete BS
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:56 AM
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21. And you have real reading comprehension problems.
You are a hillary suppporter - ergo, a conservative.

You are transferring you fears of todays world onto a story of 30 years ago - ergo, you are scared of the world.

"I would guess..." - you ignored the 'but' and the second half the sentence in which I said I had known people who are scared of the world even back in those days - and I notice you did not refute the conjecture about your age.

As for your PS, the OP didn't say that Disney 'allowed' the kid to run loose, just that the kid WAS unaccompanied. And if you think local kids have not figured out how to breach Disney security, maybe you're not as paranoid as you should be.

What I find curious is that you put so much effort and intensity into condemning the story. Pushed a few buttons, huh?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:45 PM
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20. In 1978, you didn't have a sensationalist media drumming up paranoia to the degree
that you see today. Were there dangers? Of course, times weren't all that different.

But risk perception was more accurate in terms of what kids were routinely allowed to do.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:49 AM
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22. Exactly.
There were greater dangers then, than were were aware of.

And there are fewer dangers today than the media would have us believe.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:41 PM
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12. You are really disgusting Libby.
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 02:41 PM by truedelphi
In mid 1970's, we threw our kids into cars and roared down the freeway, and in many states, laws about kiddie seats were not even thought up yet.


Kids went places on their own - and this was true in Marin County CA even in the mid nineteen eighties. I clearly remember circa 1986 or so, bawling out a group of six to nine year olds for swearing up a storm in the Red Hill Shopping center. They answered me, in that impetuous way kids have of answering some old dork, that the 3 yr old kid sister who was home with mom that day, swore more than they did.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:46 PM
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13. You believe in child abuse. Who's disgusting?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:51 PM
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15. That's it. IGNORED exists for someone like YOU! n/t
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:54 PM
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19. Use strawmen much...
guess you do.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:51 PM
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16. Why say that? Why not just avoid the thread?
I'll never understand why people insist on doing this. Why are you giving the story the power to
pull you into this?

I believe it. It's very typical of how authority figures, as it were, treat younger people. They're
identified as the problem, the noise makers, the whatever. Then the adult gets mad and shushes them,
tosses them, etc.

The original poster TrueDelphi is a long time DUer with a track record of verifiable activities
and good support for the party. Not a good way to treat the OP, not at all.
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