Pentagon tells Bush Mother Nature worse than terrorism.

[mac2]

Bush refuses to address the problems of climate change. The British news lets him have it....

Hasn't the world scientist told us all over the years....

Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us

· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
· Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years
· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism

Link: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html

Mother nature has a bigger WMD then the Pentagon.

[Taeger]

1. If Anything ...

If anything, Bush should be VERY concerned about Climate Change because it COULD stop or slow the Gulf Stream. If that happens, the Bush vacation pad in Maine would turn into a Siberean snowball along with Great Britain.

I DO think we need to get VERY serious about this. I'm not 100% convinced about the "imminent" danger of climate change. But I'm worried enough to take prudent, reasonable steps to mitigate those risks.

I'm also 100% certain that we need to invest in MORE temperature monitoring apparatus across the globe, deep in the ocean and deep in the earth. We need to get VERY comprehensive data sets that can show EXACTLY where things are getting hotter and warmer.

We need the capability of measuring the strength of ocean currents in great detail so that we can detect subtle changes in the gulf stream.

Finally, if the gulf stream DOES shut down due to excess fresh water introduction in the North Atlantic, we need a plan for restarting it by basically dumping TONS of salt into the north atlantic or another commonly available substance that will get the water moving AND not hurt marine life.

[mac2]

2. Many solution aren't costly or hard...

Many citizens just don't want to change or address problems related to pollution.

Even small things like we did back in the Carter years...aren't here anymore.

I tried to get my small suburban area to stop burning so much wood in their fireplaces. Many are effected by wood smoke in the winter. It causes Asthma and colds in the young. The toxins not good for them or the elderly.

Wood smoke was the largest pollutant in the mountains of East Tennessee when we lived there. The forest in the Blue Ridge were dying from acid rain. DA!!

The Lung Association of Chicago says, much of the bad air in the southern area of the city is from wood smoke. You can imagine hundreds of thousand of homes buring wood....effecting the air quality.

We could help by not burning wood, by driving cars that are smaller and gas efficent, by supporting public transportation, etc.

All the big cities already have pollution from cars, trucks, and airport traffic. Let's not even get into factories dumping toxins into the air.

We could do a lot and save money at the same time. I agree with Gore about environmental companies that could create jobs.

[Taeger]

4. BS Alarm going off

Many are effected by wood smoke in the winter. It causes Asthma and colds in the young. The toxins not good for them or the elderly.


I'm sorry, but would released into the atmosphere isn't going to cause asthma in ANYBODY!!!!! Maybe if you're IN the house, but not into the neighborhood.

We've evolved from people who burned would for THOUSANDS of years to satisfy their heating requirements. The idea that people are going to choke on micro levels of the stuff released into the atmosphere is positively PREPOSTEROUS!!!!!

When people start burning cyanide laced weather resistant wood, than let me know. Even then, releasing it into the atmosphere STILL wouldn't cause any major health issues.

[mac2]

5. Call your local Lung Association.

They will tell you about wood burning (or your state EPA). Wood smoke causes acid rain. All that acid rain (coal burning power plants,etc.)is killing the forests and lakes in the east.

Lung Association on the web: http://www.lungusa.org/air/index.html

I worked in a laboratory for the state right next to the air quality laboratory years ago. I saw the pollution (particulates, carbon, etc.) collected on the filters from bad air quality.

Years ago they, heated with coal...many people died in London from the pollution.

Years ago, not that many people lived so close together;nor did they live that long!!!

Some cities ban it altogether. It should be banned in all big cities. It is banned in London, etc.

Aspen,CO prevents wood burning on non-windy days, certain days for some, etc. Skiers who wanted the "ambiance and romance" of wood burning in the valley were causing big air quality problems.

When you replace oxygen in the air with dissolved gases and particulates, it is difficult to breathe. People die in fires more from smoke inhalation than being burned. (Call your local fire station and ask them!!). It can cause permanent damage to the lungs and heart.

Believe me I know. I have trouble breathing even climbing the stairs on smoky nights even with whole house filters, etc. My sinus is painful for many days after a smoke "event".

A group from a local community near me had some families who lost their children asthmatic children from outside leaf burning. The city refused to prevent it even after that. What did the rest of the community care..it wasn't their child?

Our county doesn't allow outside burning of leaves. Only contractors are allowed with a permit. I wish that was true of wood burning.

What is about wood burning? People think you're insulting "motherhood"...something scared?

Many people get upset about being told this...just like SUV people about those huge gas guzzlers they drive. The government doesn't tell them either because, they feel people won't listen. It seems they don't.

I don't understand why the EPA doesn't educate people about this. I asked my state EPA why not? They said, they just didn't have money to enforce it or educate. With all our money going to defense spending, here is little left to fight over isn't there? Guns or breathing.

[loftycity]

3. No ...God is going to come and make it all better..

They do believe this stuff...and you can't sway the skewed bible beliefs of this crew.