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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:08 AM
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How right-wing crap polluted Democrats' political waters (David Neiwert)
(Originally posted at Orcinus and Firedoglake)

Both the Hillary Clinton and the Barack Obama camps emerged from this bruising primary flinging potent, and somewhat mirrored accusations at each other: that the Clinton camp had indulged in racism and racist appeals, and conversely that the Obama camp was rife with sexism. I wonder if, when they step back from the outcome and think about what's happened, they'll be able to recognize where these lines of thought originated -- and why it's a bad idea to continue indulging them.

Both charges, as it happens, actually arise out of what I think were core beliefs held by people in the competing camps. In the Clinton camp it was widely believed that a black man, especially one with as little experience as Obama, could not win the general election. Among Obama's supporters, it was widely held that Hillary similarly couldn't win -- not because she was a woman, but because she was that kind of woman: an unpleasant, grasping, overly ambitious bitch who turned people off. These beliefs in turned spawned the very real behavior within those camps that produced the competing charges against the other.

Both of these beliefs, as it happens, were originally right-wing talking points spouted by the Limbaughs and Goldbergs of the right, regurgitated by supposedly mainstream pundits like Chris Matthews and Maureen Dowd, and gradually spread throughout our political discourse.

They were convenient talking points for partisans to absorb, ways to differentiate people's choices between two politicians who in reality are so close politically as to be nearly twins policy-wise. And they have damned near poisoned the waters for Democrats within their own party.

This struck me awhile back. Just as an example: I was talking to one of my oldest friends, a smart and politically involved woman who makes her living as a jewelrymaker in Missoula, Montana, back in early February, shortly after the Washington State caucuses, when I had largely been won over to the Obama camp. She was already ardently pro-Obama, but when the subject of Hillary came up, I was a bit taken aback by how viscerally she disliked the woman: she was cold, calculating, unsympathetic, too ambitious ... a bitch.

I'm sure she was as taken aback by the forcefulness of my reply: She sounded, I told her, like the women I used to meet when I went to militia meetings, the ones who sold books like Big Sister Is Watching You (all about the secret coven of witches operating out of the White House then); or for that matter, like the average Rush Limbaugh listener. The women who absorbed and internalized all that right-misogyny rampant in those worlds. And they all used the same kind of visceral I-can't-explain-it-I-just-hate-her rationale.

Well, she replied, I don't listen to Limbaugh or right-wing talk radio or watch Fox, but I still feel that way about her

Read More: http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-right-wing-crap-polluted-democrats.html
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:22 AM
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1. check out this link>> Dr Lakof's new research explains the mind control program since Reagan
http://wamu.org/programs/dr/08/06/02.php
NPR"11:00George Lakoff: "The Political Mind" (Viking)
Linguist George Lakoff on what recent brain research demonstrates about the power of language to shape unconscious thought… and why he believes anti-democratic forces in this country will prevail unless progressives start using language that can change brains."

LISTEN TO IT ON THE COMPUTER AS YOU WORK... MUST HEAR! ground breaking research that can return sanity to our world
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 02:35 PM
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7. I'm going to buy the book, thanks.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:42 AM
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2. Witches in the White House?
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 09:52 AM
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3. Yup.
Crazy, ain't it?
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:32 AM
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4. Not sure that would be the word I'd use.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:26 AM
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5. This needs to be posted over in GDP......but, given what goes on there
it's better to have it in this forum where reasonable people come.

Thanks for the post. It's a good reminder of what's been going on that's brainwashed folks and how dangerous it is for our Democrats to not see it going on.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:58 AM
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6. We need to watch out for that in the GE.
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:55 PM
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8. Amen to that
The amount of hatred directed at the two candidates--from fellow Democrats--has absolutely astounded me.

Wish there was some way to make more people aware that the "Hillary" they know and hate (or the "Obama") is NOT the real person. People here have learned to ignore the press when it heaps praise on Bush or describes McCain as a courageous maverick, but some still swallow everything they hear about Hillary Clinton.
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:45 AM
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9. Maybe It's Simply That
...Senator Clinton's personality, her character, is not a very good one, & that condition is obvious to the average person.


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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:58 PM
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10. I am as dispassionate of a primary candidate picker as there is ...
and I did not internalize the right wing dislike & distrust of the Clintons but my acknowledgment of the existence of those very real high negatives led me from the beginning to hope that the primaries would not result in a Clinton nomination.

Then I saw Obama give a speech before McCain and I knew we had a golden egg.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:35 PM
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11. look how many DUers fell for this garbage
un-fucking-believable
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:05 PM
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13. Lets hope though that it takes the wind out of the sails
as it were though for the GOP, McCain and their muppets over on Fox News to use some of the stuff against Obama, after all by now people will have heard it all about Obama so it might be harder for the republicans to come up with something new that people have not heard in order to rally them to vote for McCain.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:48 PM
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12. This is what happens when you surrender your intelligence to a cause. nt
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