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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:37 PM
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Sorry, Mr. President, But Your Legacy Is More Awful Than You Think
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/sorry-mr-president-but-yo_b_106596.html

Sorry, Mr. President, But Your Legacy Is More Awful Than You Think
Bob Cesca
Posted June 11, 2008 | 04:57 PM (EST)


Rest assured, Mr. President, that despite what you told the Times Online today you won't be remembered solely as a war mongering president.

"Look, I think that in retrospect, you know, I could have used a different tone."

Different tone? Ya think?

War mongering is a significant aspect of your legacy, but I think we can conclude, and without much debate, that your legacy will also be one of criminality, failure and a degree of incompetence rarely achieved by any American president, much less one whose deficit of character is rivaled only by his nearly unprecedented lack of humility in the face of his unprecedented roster of inadequacies.

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It turns out, Mr. President, that your only success is something which you appear to be walking back: your war mongering -- your cynical, self-serving and bloody "bring 'em on" legacy -- and, with it, your re-election in 2004.

If you were half the man your dwindling supporters claim that you are, you would own this actual legacy of yours, Mr. President.

If you were a better man, you would own the horror you've created for yourself and generations of Americans to come. You would take responsibility for more than your pathetic "tone" and "rhetoric" -- you would take responsibility for all of it: the lies, the casualties, the mistakes, the crimes and the cover-ups. Instead you're presently flying around the world saying that you "wanted to solve this ... in a diplomatic fashion" when we all know, based on numerous reports from insiders ranging from Scott McClellan to Richard Clarke that this is simply not true.

The historical record of your presidency has unequivocally verified that, even now as you attempt to Windex the crap off your legacy, you're lying about the war. But what's worse is that your administration's objective of fostering endless American warfare continues in Iraq and elsewhere while being endorsed by Senator McCain who has hugged-out any conflicts he might have had with your policies. And, if you and Senator McCain are lucky, the corporate media will crack open its Election Year Mad Libs script and paint Senator Obama as somehow more dangerous to the future of America than you ever were.

Your legacy, Mr. President, isn't just about war mongering. We're going to see to it that your legacy is almost entirely about how you lied us into an unnecessary war as part of an almost unspeakably horrible strategy for re-election -- as a way to mask over your inadequacies as a leader and to somehow delude future Americans into believing that your two-term presidency deserves special renown.

So good luck with all of that "different tone" crap. It's not going to work. Sorry.

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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:42 PM
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1. Babylonsister - your posts are ALWAYS worth reading.
Even in the depths of the "Take No Prisoners" Primary War you maintained a sane and balanced center


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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:59 PM
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3. that's what i just told her yesterday
I'm a fan too!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:55 PM
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2. And daddy won't save his ass this time....
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:39 PM
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4. babylonsister
babylonsister

Exelent writing

Mr Bush know he is F*** when it come to his legacy. Any way he can see at it, he is a miserable failure as he have been all his life.. He should have living in the shadow of his father, and drinking his wickey and let it be.. Then he might even managed not to screw up an entire country or tree in the process to..

This "I could have been more easy in the tone and rhetoric" are just cambium. This man was living his dream, as an ruff, president who was telling the world what he wanted. And he experted that EVERY ONE OTHER NATION TO OBEY the bidding from the White House.. From the get go, first he insulted PRC and then he insulted most of the rest of the world in the proses of been that tuff gay who was swinging his hat, to the shearing of the Neo-Cons, and every one else who wanted the US to use more money on the military forces.. You know PNACs dream about rebuilding the armed forces of US.. At an time that US already was spending more than everyone els in the world on the armed forces.. After 9/11 2001 The Pentagon get almost everything they wanted, money, weapon, and equipment - to build this "son of Star Wars" project then.. A weapon who maybe never would work...

But to protect their own soldiers, who they was sending to Afghanistan, and then to Iraq, because as mr Rumsfeld put it, was no sexy target in Afghanistan - a country that had been at war in more than 20 year.. Now, after 5, billions wasted on a war with no end in sight. Billions wasted in corruption and US as an country are morally bankrupt, and have no possible to say to other how to behave after 8 year with mr Bush...

Mr Bush would "MAYBE" use diplomacy now.. But it is to late to fix his reputation.. He is a miserable failure, a stupid little man who believe he still would manage to get it right.. I really believe he know how bad the legacy he would get... Even that he are taking the ghost of other president who also was less than stellar when it come to popularity.. Like Truman, Ike and some others, who in their own time was been seen as some really stupid president, but who history have given credit for what they have been doing..

But no President I know about,(after 1945) have cheated, lied, and misused the trust they was given as your current President. No President after 1945 have taken so great a risk, to waste... If he would hope to be vindicated in the end, he is dreaming.. Hi IS an failure, both as person and as president. NO president in the US history have ever wasted the Treasury of your country, the flower of the humans, and even trying to convince himself that he is doing the right thing in the end.. This man is no great man, or an great President.. This man is a failure SO big that I fear it would take decades for US to clean up the mess.. And I fear that even if the next President would be an democrat the failure in Iraq (specially" would hunt every president for the next two decades or more. US have two options in Iraq, and no one is good.. One is to be there, and reinstate the draft in US, to get enough soldiers to "just get it right in the end". Or if this is not possible. Tell the american public the truth, and get the soldiers packing what can be packed.. And use every airlift/ship capacity the US have, to get the most of the armory and equipment US have in Iraq home...

They have a 3 option too.. To walk to the UN, and plea with every one member state to please help US to get Iraq right.. Maybe with another Administration then Bush. But not with an clone of mr Bush, never.. I doubt it would work with McCain or an look a like.. Maybe with some one else... But it would be a stretch and it would not be easy to plea with every one member state after mr Bush have screw it up big time...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:10 AM
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6. Hi, Diclotican, always good to see you!
What does Norway think about our prospects for the next American president, McCain or Obama? I am hoping Obama, and he will have a daunting task. But I look forward to anyone but Bush (or McCain, who is the same as Bush). It's time to mend some fences that he ruined. So many fences!

I know you seem as angry as I am about Bush. May I just say I don't think he was ever truly elected by a majority of Americans. He is a dirtbag, and he's almost gone. He has no legacy; whether that will bother him remains to be seen, but I hope it does.

:pals:
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 03:06 AM
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7. babylonsister
babylonsister

Hello my friend:hi:

It depend of who you are asking I guess.. But I guess that for the most part Norway would welcome some another than an clone of mr Bush.. He was never very popular in Norway anyway. And he was hitting rock bottom when he decided to go to war - the right wing of our country do liked mr Bush, and before the war, in one of the biggest discussion sites in Norway, we had some hefty fight over the reason to go to war.. Sometimes it was going REALLY ugly.. Other times it was going pretty civilized.. And we do had some from the other side of the pound who was very pro-Bush.. Today for the most part this "voice" are pretty dead, and it is just the coupe of folks who had not understand it yet, that are very pro-Bush alone.. And I would say, they would never reasoned with.. When they love types like O'Really and Rush Limbaugh you know they are out of it.....

For the most part I would guess it is the Obama who are the "hero" in Norway, as in Europe because it would be an end to a administration who really have blowed it up big time.. We in Norway are pretty "liberal" leaning I guess.. And for the most part we like your democratic president better than the republican one... Again it depend of who you are asking. The older the person are, the more the Republican they like I guess..

The next President would have a daunting task indeed.. The next president have to really work hard to rebuild what is lost after 8 year with mr Bush jr. He is horrible, just horrible.. It is many fences this man have been ruined, and it would take long time to fix what is destroyed. I hope mr Obama are that type of person, who can give hope back, not just to you, and the rest of the american public, but also give it back to the rest of the world. That United States would NEVER again given back to this type of regime as mr Bush have represented.. Maybe a more carefully, defensive USA, who don't use their "Almighty" armed forces at a whim.. Maybe also a US who we as european can understand little more.. As been said before, this 8 year with mr have been as seeing an episode of Star Trek, where the Klingons are in power and where the Enterprise are just a toy.. But we know in the end that the "heroes" would win the battle. And we know that the "evildoers" would stop when confronted.. That have not happened in real life.. Mr Bush and Co was confronted with the many lies, all the cheats and such, many times over.. And still managed to get enough people to believe THEY was right. EVEN that every one else know it to be wrong....

I am really pissed off about mr Bush.. I do feel sympathy for the man to, because I should do it as an christian. But If it was up to me, he should be arrested, get the trial he deserve and for the rest of his miserable life been forced to travel, by his own expense and in a cage to every little town and city in the whole US to personally apology to every family member who have lost an member of the family to this silly, stupid little war he stared in 2003.. After given an personal apology to EVERY one of the dead, and wounded and maimed family member, he should also be given the task of say an apology to EVERY ONE of the soldiers who have lost Lem's, or who have been hurt, mentally psychically of fycialy and to give remorse for that...

After that, an international tour, to every one of the country he once had said was Irrelevant, and where every one who wanted could given the opportunity to say exactly what they was thinking about this excuse for an man. After this, hi might be given an prison cell in some prison in the US. And for the rest of the life, he should be told why he is in the cell, and why he would die as an prisoner...

For the rest of the Cabinet, they should be an international trial, preferable in US, to convict the guilty, and give an free pass ot the Innocent. EVERYONE paper who have been used by this administration, from 2000 and out till 20 january 2009 should be given to the cort, and every one paper who was important also been made public for the education of the population - like the Nuremberg courts was doing it in the aftermath of the trials there.. The Nuremberg Courts dolmens are HUGE... And in many cases, the case is the same in this type of documents..

This man have no legacy, other than the legacy of an miserable, excuse for a man who always have screwed up,anything he have touched.. Hopefully this ************************************ man would not destroy the US any more than he have doing already.. I hope not the majority of americans voted for this sorry little fellow, but with some cheating, and trixing with the votes, everything is possible it looks like..
He have already written his name into the stars.. But it is not in the way mr Bush wanted.. And if I hope for the best, the trial of mr Bush, and they who have controlling him would be interesting to follow. After he is out of office, he can be taken into the juridical system as an normal criminal can he not?. And if that is possible, the rest of his cabinet can also be sent to trial. Every single person.. And then we can let the Court decide who are Innocent, and who are not... The document would always be there, They can not possible burn every single document, every single emails and the lot.. Some place the document would come to light. This type of regime love to have a paper trail to prove that they have been doing their bidding.. The nazis was extreme in that.. And I would almost bet that the Neo-Con Bush administration are no less willing to document everything they have decided and wanted to do....

My friend. I hope that when the time comes, a new, bright day for US and for the world at large would start when the next president are sworn in as President.. I am not sure who would win. But as the choice are, I would hope that it would be Obama before McCain.. Even that my choice was not Obama, or Clinton in the first round around..;)

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:15 AM
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9. Are you sure you're not an American?
;) Because you sound like so many around DU and the US. Yes, we despise Bush and his evil empire, and yes, we all hope at some point he has to pay for his sins.
Onward to a new day, and hopefully the change that Senator Obama will bring. That is looking pretty good on this side of the pond!

:hi:
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:23 AM
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10.  babylonsister
babylonsister

No madam, I am not an american;). But I do hope for an better future than the past have been. And I DO HOPE that when the time comes, mr Bush and the whole of his empire would be taken account for what they have been doing:)

And hopefully mr Obama would be the man, to change things.. Maybe not in the big ways, but even a Small difference in politic would be to the better if I have to say it

Why do you believe me to be an american?. Because I still feel that US represent something good?. And that I do believe if US just get their act together, and work with her friends could be and positive force for good.. Even that the stain from mr Bush would take some times to get clean up....

It is tome to go to the new day, but I do hope enough people want the new day, and don't stick with the clone of mr Bush.. McCain is an man who might had an honorable past, and could be an honorable man.. But the clone thing have destroyed my image of the man...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:37 AM
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11. I don't think you're an American, that was my lame
attempt at humor, thus this - - >;) That's a wink. I just enjoy your attitude, and chatting with you.
Sweet dreams, Diclotican! And just think, either way by January 09 Bush is 'toast'. We just have to do everything possible to get Obama elected instead of McCain, Bush's clone. I think Americans are finally fed up, and will be voting for change.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 04:34 AM
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16. babylonsister
babylonsister

Ah, humor. Difficult to Humor when it is written sometimes:).. I would take is as an compliment then;):. And it is always nice to have some who like to chat with each other too;)

Absolutely, january 09, this man who call himself President Bush are out of the door anyway.. If he then not decide to stage a coup then... But I do believe he would rather step down than to ruin the reputation he has today (and that is not much. And everyone with the right to VOTE must do what ever necessary to get mr Obama elected instead of mr McClain... Who also looks as he is to old to be president.. It was bad enough with Reagan who in the last could be given some doubt, he was in the early stages of altzeimers... Even that he was no god him too...

In 2000, when mr Bush was "voted" into office, many who sheared his welcome said that many american voted for "change" from Clinton's politic... Wel maybe now america are voting for change, from a republican ticket, who have disgraced, not just the President, but also the whole country in the aye of the world.. Mr Clinton was just disgracing himself.. Not the whole country when the case with Lewinsky was blowing all over the world... And I have to say, to spend 600 million dollar, on a case who in fact was an case where two grown up parties have not been to nice with each other, is just plain stupid.. But very american if I might add it.. But not even try to stop a war who everyone with half a brain understand is unmoral, criminal and possible also against every standard the world have been made since 1949 have not even getting the critic it deserve... And I am fearfully that the next president, if it is Obama, or if it is McCain have to do some hard work in the end..

And, it would not be easy to get every one soldiers, and all the equipment out from Iraq, when it is decided to pack and leave.. The "insurgence" could hit every american convoy on the way out, and it is not that many route the US army can take out ot of iraq either.. And I doubt the kurdish/Turkey or kuwait/Saudi-Arabia would have more than 150.000 foreign soldiers on their soil either... Even that is in transit to US... They might be allied, but if the wind is turn, they would not be THAT good allied when every thing comes to it..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, english not my native language
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:44 AM
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5. bush is so busted..Finally! after 8 years of
taking our country down to depths of hell.

No punishment would be too great for him and his ilk.. and mccain wants to give us more?

Don't think so.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 07:12 AM
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8. Junior's legacy is a condemnation of America: the Congress, the courts, the MSM,
the man on the street for each has failed in the basic duties of citizenship and patriotism to stop the madness in its tracks. :D
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:10 PM
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12. awful is understating it.
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 03:44 PM
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13. the very name GWBush(it) makes me ill
he must be very blind to believe he has any hope of an appealing legacy. He will be the eternal king without clothes, forever a joke, a really bad one to be sure, but a joke. How those who chose him to represent their power figured he was anything but a fuck up I can't understand. Surely someone on the right has a brain. The legacy of this person is a shame on our country and he is a fool. Criminal fool. I'm not much, never have been. I did keep my contract with the government for service however, something this ugly bag of water couldn't be bothered with. He really makes me rant on. Sorry.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:18 PM
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14. K & R
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 07:43 PM
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15. More than anything, his legacy is measured ...
... by the impact he has had on people's lives -- the dead, the wounded, and the despondent.

... by the impact he has had on the soul of our country -- how we as Americans feel about what has been done in our name and by how the world has come to see us.

... by the mountain of debt bequeathed to our childredn & grandchildren, and by the damage to the environment that sustains life.


... and by the opportunities that have been lost, which are too many and sad to contemplate.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:26 AM
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17. I wish Big Media (NYT, Post, Time, Newsweak, etc.) would run stuff like this
Of course then pigs would be flying overhead.
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