Why Bill Gates likes India

[OhioChick]

June 27, 2008

Gates bats for India

For Bill Gates, India is a must-visit place. In his words, "a place that is valuable to me for both business and personal reasons".

Besides being an important market for the software giant, Gates is besotted by the immense talent in India. India is also an ideal base for his magnanimous philanthropic activities.

Microsoft India is the fastest growing subsidiary for Microsoft and Gates sees huge potential in India.

"In countries like India, where you have so much talent and potential for future breakthroughs, economic growth will be driven by jobs and revenue from companies that are building businesses around commercial software. Microsoft's role is to make sure that our partners have the best tools and knowledge to make this happen," Gates said during his 2005 visit.

http://specials.rediff.com/money/2008/jun/27sd1.htm

We already knew it was valuable for "business reasons."

[CBGLuthier]

1. As usual, he is correct

They work harder than us. They are better educated than us. They outnumber us by almost 3 to 1.

This century will shape up to be a battle between India and China for economic domination. Personally, I prefer the Indians.

[OhioChick]

2. "They work harder than us. They are better educated than us."

BS. Not in the "field" are you?

On Edit to Add: Speak for Yourself.

[Lost4words]

3. I dont think we will miss you too much if you go there, please go!

speak for yourself! And you really think there will be another century? Why dont you make some long term investments.

You must be one of those young lazy undereducated US citizens.

Good Luck to you!

:wtf:

[truedelphi]

32. There are scores of young people with good ideas that could not be brought to fruition

Because Micro$erf is non-open source code.

[Vilis Veritas]

4. They work CHEAPER than us.

That is all. Bill sees dollars. You can employ many more Chinese or Indians for the price of one U.S. programmer. I know. I worked for a company that outsourced all their programming to China for literally PENNIES on the dollar. They want the busines and are currently subsidized so they can lowball and steal the jobs.

The company that took our work, had 100 programmers to do the work that 12 people were doing here in the states. Sure their turn-around time was good, they had 100 versus our 12. The code came back bloated and buggy and we had to support it. It sucked, I left.

Of course this is just an anecdotal analysis by just one IT guy...

saddlesore

[ihavenobias]

10. Thank you exactly. They work CHEAPER. Saying they work "harder and smarter" is a euphemism

It means "they'll bust their ass for half your pay" so you're out of a job buddy, unless of course you want your pay, benefits and maybe hours cut (but you still need to produce as much).

[treestar]

22. And if you were running the business, who would you employ?

Americans live in fantasyland. They actually think they are so valuable that they will be paid more for the same work.

[OhioChick]

23. I figured you'd eventually show up....

A lawyer in "fantasyland."

As someone once told you....

"As you've pointed out before, you're a well-paid attorney, a latte liberal, completely immune from having your job out-sourced. Your pro-globalization posts are self-serving, nothing more." :thumbsup:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=3250764#3253395

[ChromeFoundry]

25. Americans live in fantasyland???

Naw, lawyers live there. The rest of us are realists.

If I was "running the business," I would chose the best candidate for the position, and pay them what they were worth. In the long run it is cheaper to retain talent, rather than attempt to survive attrition. Microsoft is nothing more than a modern-day cotton plantation.

[ihavenobias]

28. Americans were paid a certain amount to afford decent shot at being in the middle class

within the context of our country.

One of the enormous downsides to "free" trade and outsourcing/insourcing is that you're asking 300 million Americans to compete with over 6 billion people, many of which will work for less than a couple of dollars a day.

Why don't we just go back to using child labor, and when you complain that that your pay has been cut in half I'll respond by saying "Adults live in fantasy-land. They actually think they are so valuable that they will be paid more for the same work".

Yes, let's continue our race to the bottom. Let's find the most desperate, impoverished countries we can and pay slave wages to enrich multinational corporations and their shareholders to the detriment of everyone else. Makes sense to me!

[jtrockville]

33. Here's the single reason why Indians are cheaper to hire than US:

HEALTH CARE

As an employer, you don't have to pay for health care of Indians (or citizens of any other country where you'd want to hire IT workers).

Wages are becoming more and more equal, but US workers are a heavy burden on an employer because of our for-profit health care system.

[OhioChick]

34. Are you referring to the outsourcing/offshoring of work?

Because the H-1B's I've worked with do get health care.

[jtrockville]

35. Yes, I'm referring to those who are hired offshore.

[Skittles]

18. um - WRONG

they are CHEAPER THAN US - PERIOD. I have worked with American IT workers AND with the offshore folk who replaced them and there is NO COMPARISON.

[Jim Sagle]

24. And I prefer Americans. But that's just me.

[1776Forever]

26. Try this on - US Workers work longer then even Japanese a year:

Americans are working longer and harder

http://www.stress.org/job.htm

A 1999 government report found that the number of hours worked increased 8% in one generation to an average 47 hrs/week with 20% working 49 hrs/week. U.S. workers put in more hours on the job than the labor force of any other industrial nation, where the trend has been just the opposite. According to an International Labor Organization study, Americans put in the equivalent of an extra 40-hour work week in 2000 compared to ten years previously. Japan had the record until around 1995 but Americans now work almost a month more than the Japanese and three months more than Germans. We are also working harder. In a 2001 survey, nearly 40% of workers described their office environment as "most like a real life survivor program."

..........

I know I sure as heck work hard at what I do and I have an MBA and having trouble finding anything that pays over $9.00 an hour in Florida!

[Vincardog]

27. They are better educated than us.If you think that a weekend course is the equivalent of a 4 year

Degree.

OH yeah BS. The HIBs I have met from India couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag

[we can do it]

31. Actually They Make Junk Cheaper Than We Do

Junk you just throw out and replace every few years, junk that never worked in the first place....shitty software oh yeah that's microsoft

[Vilis Veritas]

5. Gates is a Corporate Globalist. Nothing more.

There are no people, only pixels and profits.

saddlesore

[OhioChick]

6. Bingo! n/t

[rurallib]

8. Always felt Gates made his billions by stealing others ideas

and engaging in anti-competitive business practices.

[Vilis Veritas]

9. Your feelings are correct, there is ample proof.

saddlesore

Google is your friend...for now.

[OhioChick]

13. You're right....

Gates is a POS hiding under his new "philanthropist" title.

[Phred42]

7. Gates is a treasonous anti-American asshole

[OhioChick]

14. Blatantly put and Agreed. n/t

[Phred42]

19. TX

I do blatant a lot at DU - usually get smacked for it
Or have my posts deleted or locked.

If we can't show our outrage here - where?

[OhioChick]

21. You're absolutely right.

I always enjoy reading your posts, as you tell it like it is. ;)

[Lydia Leftcoast]

11. What happened to all those computer science majors from the 1980s

and 1990s?

I was a college professor in that era, and it seemed that most of the students who weren't majoring in business were majoring in computer science, especially at the state schools.

Surely a couple of weeks of in-house retraining would have been enough to get them up to speed on any new developments.

[OhioChick]

12. .....

Quote: "What happened to all those computer science majors from the 1980s
and 1990s?"

Most lost their jobs and couldn't find others.

[Vilis Veritas]

15. They work at Home Depot...

saddlesore

[OhioChick]

16. I have an "experienced" IT friend working there...

as well as a second job....and soon a possible thrid job as ends just aren't meeting for a family.

[boomerbust]

17. Bill forgot to mention

Its easier to get laid there without getting caught!

[Demeter]

20. Imperial England Had Such Entrepreneurial Men--They Called Them "Nabobs"

The India folk called them Sahib. India never recovered from their piracy during colonial times.

Sure, the English did some charity work, and some education, and some setting up of government, but Gandhi happens!

[Fairnessaboveall]

29. outsourcing

It's cheaper, unfortunately.

[OhioChick]

30. I was preparing a response...

However, I see that posting one would be fruitless, as you're no longer with us. Only took 11 posts.... :wow: