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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:44 PM
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RGE Media Alert: THE WORST FINANCIAL CRISIS SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 09:45 PM by Demeter
New York, July 15, 2008- In a series of recent writings on the RGE Monitor Nouriel Roubini – Chairman of RGE Monitor and Professor of Economics at the NYU Stern School of Business - has argued that the U.S. is experiencing its worst financial crisis since the Great Depression and will undergo its worst recession in the last few decades. His analysis leads to the following conclusions:

This is by far the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression

Hundreds of small banks with massive exposure to real estate (the average small bank has 67% of its assets in real estate) will go bust

Dozens of large regional/national banks (a’ la IndyMac) are also bankrupt given their extreme exposure to real estate and will also go bust

Some major money center banks are also semi-insolvent and while they are deemed too big to fail their rescue with FDIC money will be extremely costly.

In a few years time there will be no major independent broker dealers as their business model (securitization, slice & dice and transfer of toxic credit risk and piling fees upon fees rather than earning income from holding credit risk) is bust and the risk of a bank-like run on their very short term liquid liabilities is a fundamental flaw in their structure (i.e. the four remaining U.S. big brokers dealers will either go bust or will have to be merged with traditional commercial banks). Firms that borrow liquid and short, highly leverage themselves and lend in longer term and illiquid ways (i.e. most of the shadow banking system) cannot survive without formal deposit insurance and formal permanent lender of last resort support from the central bank.

The FDIC that has already depleted 10% of its funds in the rescue of IndyMac alone will run out of funds and will have to be recapitalized by Congress as its insurance premia were woefully insufficient to cover the hole from the biggest banking crisis since the Great Depression
Fannie and Freddie are insolvent and the Treasury bailout plan (the mother of all moral hazard bailout) is socialism for the rich, the well connected and Wall Street; it is the continuation of a corrupt system where profits are privatized and losses are socialized. Instead of wiping out shareholders of the two GSEs, replacing corrupt and incompetent managers and forcing a haircut on the claims of the creditors/bondholders such a plan bails out shareholders, managers and creditors at a massive cost to U.S. taxpayers.

This financial crisis will imply credit losses of at least $1 trillion and more likely $2 trillion.

This is not just a subprime mortgage crisis; this is the crisis of an entire subprime financial system: losses are spreading from subprime to near prime and prime mortgages; to commercial real estate; to unsecured consumer credit (credit cards, student loans, auto loans); to leveraged loans that financed reckless debt-laden LBOs; to muni bonds that will go bust as hundred of municipalities will go bust; to industrial and commercial loans; to corporate bonds whose default rate will jump from close to 0% to over 10%; to CDSs where $62 trillion of nominal protection sits on top an outstanding stock of only $6 trillion of bonds and where counterparty risk – and the collapse of many counterparties – will lead to a systemic collapse of this market.

This will be the most severe U.S. recession in decades with the U.S. consumer being on the ropes and faltering big time as soon as the temporary effect of the tax rebates will fade out by mid-summer (July). This U.S. consumer is shopped out, saving less, debt burdened and being hammered by falling home prices, falling equity prices, falling jobs and incomes, rising inflation and rising oil and energy prices. This will be a long, ugly and nasty U-shaped recession lasting 12 to 18 months, not the mild 6 month V-shaped recession that the delusional consensus expects.

Equity prices in the US and abroad will go much deeper in bear territory. In a typical US recession equity prices fall by an average of 28% relative to the peak. But this is not a typical US recession; it is rather a severe one associated with a severe financial crisis. Thus, equity prices will fall by about 40% relative to their peak. So, we are only barely mid-way in the meltdown of stock markets.

The rest of the world will not decouple from the US recession and from the US financial meltdown; it will re-couple big time. Already 12 major economies are on the way to a recessionary hard landing; while the rest of the world will experience a severe growth slowdown only one step removed from a global recession. Given this sharp global economic slowdown oil, energy and commodity prices will fall 20 to 30% from their recent bubbly peaks.

The current U.S recession and sharp global economic slowdown is combining the worst of the oil shocks of the 1970s with the worst of the asset/credit bust shocks (and ensuing credit crunch and investment busts) of 1990-91 and 2001: like in 1973 and 1979 we are facing a stagflationary shock to oil, energy and other commodity prices that by itself may tip many oil importing countries into a sharp slowdown or an outright recession. Also, like 1990-91 and 2001 we are now facing another asset bubble and credit bubble gone bust big time: the housing and overall household credit boom of the last seven years has now gone bust in the same way as the 1980s housing bubble and 1990s tech bubble went bust in 1990 and in 2000 triggering recessions. And a similar housing/asset/credit bubble is going bust in other countries – U.K., Spain, Ireland, Italy, Portugal, etc. – leading to a risk of a hard landing in these economies.

But over time inflation will be the last problem that the Fed will have to face as a severe US recession and global slowdown will lead to a sharp reduction in inflationary pressures in the U.S.: slack in goods markets with demand falling below supply will reduce pricing power of firms; slack in labor markets with unemployment rising will reduce wage pressures and labor costs pressures; a fall in commodity prices of the order of 20-30% will further reduce inflationary pressure. The Fed will have to cut the Fed Funds rate much more – as severe downside risks to growth and to financial stability will dominate any short-term upward inflationary pressures. Leaving aside the risk of a collapse of the US dollar given this easier monetary policy the Fed Funds rate may end up being closer to 0% than 1% by the end of this financial disaster and severe recession cycle.

The Bretton Woods 2 regime of fixed exchange rates to the US dollar and/or heavily managed exchange will unravel – as the first Bretton Woods regimes did in the early 1970s – as US twin deficits, recession, financial crisis and rising commodity and goods inflation in emerging market economies will destroy the basis for it existence.

Thus, the scenario of 12 steps to a financial disaster that I outlined in my February 2008 paper is unfolding as predicted. If anything financial conditions are now much worse than they were at the previous peak of this financial crisis, i.e. in mid-march of 2008.


SOURCE: PRIVATE EMAIL.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:56 PM
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1. This Depression is gonna be a much more horrid affair than the
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 09:58 PM by truedelphi
Depression of 1929.

In 1929, our nation still had things of value. We produced automobiles that everyone in the world wanted. Texas and Oklahoma had more oil and gasoline than anyone knew what to do with.

We manufactured steel. There was no massive Federal deficit - this enabled FDR to put together the WPA and employ people to do any and everything -- from laying out slabs of cement as sidewalks in new neighborhoods in Chicago to hiring photographers who went out and documented the tremendous poverty that people were experiencing.

Today we are at least 439 trillion dollars in debt - and I don't think that figure even begins to include the Iraq war.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:07 PM
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2. This here is a good reason to be very apprehensive.
How does one prepare for something like this?
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:35 PM
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5. Conserve. Don't spend unnecessarily. Save. Get creative.
Do research online.
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:35 PM
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6. Can anybody in their right minds suggest continuing paying the
mortgage and credit card payments? Why? I know cash won't mean much, but it's better to have something than nothing. The big boys have received their pound of flesh and quart of blood, why give them more?

Who in the hell is actually holding this cash? Who? Trillions just don't disappear. It can't all be in oil, can it?
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:33 PM
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9. Get off the grid and try to
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 11:34 PM by femrap
be as self-sufficient as possible...find others who want to do the same. Grow some vegies, etc. The US is over. I just pray that some Hitler-type idiot doesn't come along....OOPS, he already did.

edit for spelling
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 12:28 AM
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15. The ability to move without using public
transportation is very high on my prep wish list. I have my eye on a couple of sailboats.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 08:59 AM
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19. That's cool...I'm
rather land locked...maybe a donkey or golf cart??? I'm certainly glad that I traveled extensively before George and friends broke us.
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 09:29 AM
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20. Store food and water. Figure out a way to heat your home in winter (if you still have one!). n.t
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:31 PM
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3. Thanks for this.
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:34 PM
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4. Yeah that major money center bank referred to in the article is...
drumroll.....Citibank.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:41 PM
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7. Um....ok...
So, the FCIC (according to this email) had all ready depleted 10 percent of its funds to bail
out IndyMac. The email predicts much more disaster on the horizon.

So, are we to assume then--that the FDIC does not have enough money to ensure all of the money
that is currently in the banks that will probably fail in the near future?

According to this email, "hundreds of small banks" will fail.

Is our money really insured? Or not?

It doesn't sound like it's safe in the banks, as I read this article.

Maybe I'm reading something wrong.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 12:32 AM
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16. The government just prints more money.
It is extremely inflationary. It means that between the time you get your paycheck and the time you go to the store, the money in the paycheck becomes worth less. This happened in Germany in the 1920s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation

If you owned real property, you had a chance to safeguard some of your assets, but if you did not have real property, if you only owned cash, you became poorer from virtually one minute to the next due to the inflation. Your cash lost its value.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:54 PM
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8. Ok- so this is more of the same news we've been hearing now for a while--
and I ask the same thing that I ask every time another version of this same prediction shows up on a thread -- What is the best thing to do about it- to prepare, to protect ourselves, etc. My stock broker says it's bad but not THAT bad - and is sure that although it may get worse, it is not going to bottom out and no matter what, it's temporary. Banks are going under. Do we buy CDs and keep enough cash available and not invested for a while just in case? Pay down our mortgages? Hide money in the matress?

I'm interested in hearing what others have to say- what are you guys doing now? I'm 15 years from retirement - ok more like 20 probably and I don't want to lose my savings...
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:41 PM
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10. Prepare to become self-sufficient....
The green paper won't mean much, but if you purchase some land, solar panels, build a small house with geothermal and have your own well...you could be OK. I think we're going to have to live like our grandparents did. Remember how everyone said 'Plastics' were the thing in the '50's and '60's...I'm thinking 'hand cranked tools' for today.

I think it's going to get ugly...I've even thought of getting a gun. I never thought I would consider it.

I fucking hate W and the Wall Street white boys who did this to us. Greedy sons of Satan.
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 12:25 AM
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14. it's really scary
Hi KaryninMiami,

I believe we are headed for major change including social upheaval like this country has never seen before.
Our way of life in the US (and the rest of the industrialized world) depends on cheap energy. The US has 5% of the world's population and uses 25% of the world's oil; I don't think the rest of the world is going to be okay with that situation indefinitely. To make matters worse our entire economic model makes the assumption that perpetual growth is possible and desirable. A reasonably bright twelve year old ought to be able to figure out the problem with that idea-- but our leaders don't seem to 'get' it.

To prepare in our family:
we've been getting out of debt (including our mortgage).
purchased some physical gold/silver.
have some cash on hand

We were lucky that we heard about and investigated peak oil in 2004 and modified our investments at that time with peak oil in mind. Currently, we have about 25% of our money in equities(mostly commodities and energy related stuff) 30% in physical gold or stock in a bullion holding company, the rest split between foreign currencies, and cash. The changes we made have been very good for us. Unfortunately most of our money is stuck in IRA accounts so we can't just withdraw it without penalty.

We are trying to sell our house so that we can
1. move to something smallerto reduces property tax, electric, heating, and upkeep expenses and be near other family members
2. install rainwater catchment, wood stove, solar water heater and a small photovoltaic system for refrigeration and lights
2. buy a sailboat (cash)

I have also been collecting "how-to" books and trying to learn some practical gardening skills in a little patch as well as trying to start a stock/rotation system for food and basic necessities.

My husband is eligible for early retirement at the end of this year so we'll starting getting IRA money out next year and we'll start preparing to stay here if we're not able to sell by the end of this year.

Anyway, that's what we are doing. I guess everyone has to make their own assessment of the situation and then invest and prepare as best they can. I have some friends and family that believe I am over-reacting and that is just a "down cycle." They have not yet provided and solid reasoning for this position, just platitudes and the idea that our country has always recovered in the past.

If you are interesting in reading some of the information that got our family to start preparing for "the end of the world as we know it" PM me and I'll be happy to put together a list of links.


Good Luck.












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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 08:48 AM
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18. Thank you for your thoughtful response. It is indeed, deeply upsetting.
Would love to see the links you mentioned- and will make a list of some of the things you have advised (many of which I've already done).

Thank you again!

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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:42 PM
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11. It's not a pretty picture.
I'm in the banking sector and this has been looming on the horizon for quite a long time.
My pessimistic view began in Q3 2005 when lending began to contract.
At present, I hold all of my retirement accounts in cash. At this point, it's better to miss opportunity than risk capital.
Don't believe the talking heads on CNBC, stocks will continue to slide through 2008 or longer. (Dow 8,000?)

Other signs of the shitstorm have been-
Daimler selling Chrysler
ABN AMRO reducing it's US presence (selling LaSalle Bank, Interfirst, etc)
The timing of bankruptcy 'reform'
Also, the conspiracy theorist in me make me wonder if boooosh and the neocons have deliberately scuttled the dollar to pave the way for the Amero and New World Order.

Must see video link-
http://media2.bloomberg.com/cache/vrIG4cHtP.HQ.asf
Much more here-
http://www.rgemonitor.com/166/United_States

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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:50 PM
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12. Front page Financial Times pic is customers queing up at IndyMac
in Pasadena. It's all about perception, and it's pretty easy to get runs on banks when people are spooked about their money.

Ordinary people have been so decieved by the government and ripped off by big businesses that they don't know who to trust. And that lack of safe authority makes them even more skittish.

Just don't light a bunch of petro-dollars and yell, fire. The president may have to declare a financial emergency that requires martial law police state tactics.
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 12:19 AM
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13. In the early morning of Sep. 11...
...early, because I live on the West Coast, I was still on the phone with my great friend who called to tell me to turn on CNN. After the first tower fell, I said to my friend "I'm afraid the day will come when the only things worth having are food and ammunition."

I'm still afraid of that. After years of gently mocking another friend's deep survivalist\end of days attitudes, I'm still afraid of it.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 03:39 AM
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17. We have poisoned the earth, contaminated the Genetics of our food supply
In addition to poisoning the atmosphere with CO2.

This is not new, people have been talking about pollution for a very long time, but nobody paid any attention.

The big money in Oil is just about over, so the Money Masters need a way to regain control when the storm finally is too big to ignore.

At this point, the Open Source Free Energy movement has touched far too many people via YouTube and the internet. Suppression of clean, efficient technologies can no longer be squelched as effectively as theonce could have been in the early 70's. Now, the energy pioneers have wised up and realized that money is worthless if you don't have a planet to live on, or your health is too compromised due to pollution.

I used to think Solar was the way to go, until I researched it. Back in the 60's they promised Solar at .60 a watt, it is currently $5.75 a watt, much more expensive than it needs to be, and the new nanosolar thin films are being withheld from the consumer market. Why?

Then I found out about Hydrogen, and I now believe that this technology is the main one they have suppressed for all these years. Just look up Stan Meyer, Bob Boyce, Joe Cell, or John Kanzius and his Sea Water Fuel on Youtube and you'll get a feel for what's going on. Pay close attention at the conditions that the people working on these technologies are working in, while the workers on nuclear bombs work in state of the art, ultra clean rooms with unlimited funding, our energy pioneers work in the barn with the chickens. Only in America, where you have a central bank that controls where research money can and cannot go could this happen. Or you have a Military Industrial complex that see's the boogeyman around every budget proposal.

I personally think that Solar is obsolete, given that water collects most of the solar energy we have on the earth already. We are 66% water after all.

The inability of the US Govermnet to issue its own money has doomed us to debt slavery, and now the money masters have engineered a great depression to know society down a few notches back into the dark ages.

Start investing in good books, learn how to make tools, sharpen things, and generally recycle before you buy new. I assure you, the tools made 30 to 40 years ago will outlive you and your kids if taken care of. The stuff you buy at Lowes or Home depot is a prop, suitable for use as set dressing in a film.

Save seeds, and demand that all food be labeled if it contains GMO ingredients.

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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 09:36 AM
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21. water engine has been debunked several times
the idea of getting hydrogen from water is sound, but it requires aluminum to oxidize - which releases hydrogen, which can be collected.
THEN you can burn the hydrogen... but the idea that you will get the same amount of water in return after combustion is just insane!

imho, you want hydrogen from water, use a solar panel to power the process...
or better yet use that same solar panel to charge a battery for an electric auto.
in the end the solar charged electric will yield more energy, with less waste
Don't want to use solar (btw cloudy days are the BEST solar days because the UV blasts through clouds, and thats what powers solar, and it's not as warm - Infra Red) fine rig a bike up to a generator and get healthy :)

better yet get a flywheel and a hand crank to add to the energy.

use a baygen wind up radio (there must be a TV model out by now LOL)

human energy is the least used anymore.
or get a wheel hooked up to a very strong electric motor, and run it backwards with mules.

ride the mules to town, there's LOTS that can be done with current P R O V E N tech.
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