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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 02:58 PM
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Girls = Boys at Math By David Malakoff ScienceNOW Daily News
http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/724/1
24 July 2008

Zip. Zilch. Nada. There's no real difference between the scores of U.S. boys and girls on common math tests, according to a massive new study. Educators hope the finding will finally dispel lingering perceptions that girls don't measure up to boys when it comes to crunching numbers.
"This shows there's no issue of intellectual ability--and that's a message we still need to get out to some of our parents and teachers," says Henry "Hank" Kepner, president of the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics in Reston, Virginia. It won't be a new message. Nearly 20 years ago, a large-scale study led by psychologist Janet Hyde of the University of Wisconsin, Madison, found a "trivial" gap in math test scores between boys and girls in elementary and middle school. But it did suggest that boys were better at solving more complex problems by the time they got to high school.

Now, even that small gap has disappeared, Hyde reports in tomorrow's issue of Science. Her team sifted through scores from standardized tests taken in 2005, 2006, and 2007 by nearly 7 million students in 10 states. Overall, the researchers found "no gender difference" in scores among children in grades two through 11. Among students with the highest test scores, the team did find that white boys outnumbered white girls by about two to one. Among Asians, however, that result was nearly reversed. Hyde says that suggests that cultural and social factors, not gender alone, influence how well students perform on tests. Another portion of the study did confirm that boys still tend to outscore girls on the mathematics section of the SAT test taken by 1.5 million students interested in attending college. In 2007, for instance, boys' scores were about 7% higher on average than girls'. But Hyde's team argues that the gap is a statistical illusion, created by the fact that more girls take the test. "You're dipping farther down into the distribution of female talent, which brings down the score," Hyde says. It's not clear that statisticians at the College Board, which produces the SAT, will agree with that explanation. But Hyde says it's good news, because it means the test isn't biased against girls.

The study's most disturbing finding, the authors say, is that neither boys nor girls get many tough math questions on state tests now required to measure a school district's progress under the 2002 federal No Child Left Behind law. Using a four-level rating scale, with level one being easiest, the authors said that they found no challenging level-three or -four questions on most state tests. The authors worry that means that teachers may start dropping harder math from their curriculums, because "more teachers are gearing their instruction to the test."

The results "essentially confirm" earlier studies--and they should finally put to rest the idea that girls aren't going into technical fields because they can't do the math, says Ann Gallagher, a psychologist who studies testing at the Law School Admission Council in Newtown, Pennsylvania. But she still thinks there may be cultural or psychological reasons for why girls still tend to lag behind boys on high-stakes tests such as the SAT. Among students she's observed, she says "the boys tend to be a little more idiosyncratic in solving problems, the girls more conservative in following what they've been taught."
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 03:11 PM
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1. I think with math scores,
it isn't so much a question of innate ability as interest. On every IQ test I've ever taken I score very high in math, but I always stank at it in school. It is just incredibly boring to me.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 03:18 PM
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2. That Was True for Many Kids
There was a study showing that boys liked boy-oriented story problems and did them well, while girls could do girl-oriented ones better.

Then there are true geeks, who don't care--and I put myself in that category!
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 03:26 PM
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3. And thank heavens for people like you!
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 04:44 PM
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4. Me too.
I sucked at math in school and found it hard - yet on IQ tests I always score high in math. Go figure. Mostly, I have good visual/spatial ability and I'm good at seeing patterns etc.


:shrug:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 03:27 AM
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7. as a girl who LOVED math and took 4 years of high school math in the 70's
math is NOT boring but it most certainly is conventionally taught in an EXTREMELY boring manner
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 06:48 PM
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5. I couldn't agree more ...
Math geeks are math geeks, no matter what genitalia we possess. :D

It's like saying people who live on numbered streets are better at math than people who live on a street named after a tree or a dead president.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:03 AM
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6. Now That Might Be Possible!
It would make an interesting research topic in human development....
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 04:06 AM
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8. Yes. Most research shows that gender differences in mathematics have been decreasing over the years
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 04:16 AM by LeftishBrit
and many recent studies have failed to find any at all. Even in the past, studies of *young* children usually didn't show gender differences in mathematics; such differences usually emerged only when children entered secondary school. Many recent studies have failed to find gender differences even in secondary school pupils and adults.

There was a very interesting recent review by Elizabeth Spelke:

http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~lds/sexsci/

In the UK, boys and girls perform equally well - or some would say equally badly - in GCSE mathematics, which pupils take at the age of 16. If anything, girls may do slightly better. After the age of 16 - when mathematics ceases to be compulsory - it is still true that males are more likely to study mathematics, especially at university. However, it should be noted that while men are more likely to take university courses in mathematics and the physical sciences, women are over-represented in some other science subjects - psychology, biology and nowadays medicine - all of which involve a significant mathematical component (especially statistics).

At the other end of the scale, studies of children with serious mathematical disabilities - sometimes referred to as 'dyscalculia' - show that these are equally common in boys and girls.

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:01 PM
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9. It's the Chomsky 'competence' vs 'performance' issue.
Ability in the abstract versus ability in context.

It's possible for truly talented kids to perform less well than less talented kids in given field of endeavor. Once could--but shouldn't--infer that there is no talent, or that the talent "indices" were reversed, but there's not enough information.

And, in the case of mathematical ability, there's a strong desire, political, ideological, or personal, to show that there is no difference in ability, or the ability's reversed.
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