HP lays off 25000 and runs phony job ads

[OhioChick]

IS HEWLETT-PACKARD VIOLATING IMMIGRATION LAW?

There is reason to suspect that Hewlett-Packard may be violating the immigration laws of the United States and putting Treasure Valley breadwinners out of work at the same time.

This is particularly disturbing in light of HP?s announced intention to lay off an additional 24,600 workers, half in the U.S., over the next three years. Given the soft housing market, the effect will be brutal on local HP employees who get the ax.

A number of software engineers who had worked for HP were recently given pink slips. Astonishingly, however, HP, as of yesterday, was still advertising for software engineers to work at the Boise facility and was doing so, it turns out, through the Idaho Department of Labor. The positions, however, are not listed on HP?s internal job list.

According to one recent victim of local HP engineering layoffs, one has to log in to the Department of Labor website and actually apply for a job before he finds out that the prospective employer is Hewlett-Packard.

Applicants are instructed to send their resumes to a Petra Ramirez at [e-mail], who works out of HP?s Cupertino, Calif. office. (Ms. Ramirez did not respond either to the IVA?s emails or phone messages asking for clarification.)

The signature block for Ms. Ramirez ? and remember, all resumes for Boise jobs flow through her rather than through normal channels ? identifies her as ?HP Americas Immigration Consultant.?

Thus it looks suspiciously like Hewlett-Packard is laying off American engineers in order to replace them with lower-priced talent from overseas, likely intending to bring them into the U.S. on H-1B visas.

But according to an August memo from the U.S. Department of Labor, this is flatly illegal, since H-1B visas are only to be granted when qualified American citizens and legal residents can?t be found. Says the memo:

?The Department of Labor has a statutory responsibility to ensure that no foreign worker (or ?alien?) is admitted for permanent residence based upon an offer of employment absent a finding that there are not sufficient U.S. workers who are able, willing, qualified and available for the work to be undertaken and that the admission of such worker will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of U.S. workers similarly employed. 8 U.S.C. ? 1182(a)(5)(A)(i).?

According to the United States General Accounting Office, employers making application for H-1B visas must certify that ?the employment of H-1B workers will not adversely affect the working conditions of other workers similarly employed in the area.?

HP, I?ve always said, is one of the most effective anti-poverty organizations in Idaho, since the antidote to poverty is jobs. But certainly part of making Idaho the friendliest place in the world to raise a family involves ensuring that HP honors our nation?s immigration laws and protects local jobs in the process.

Perhaps there is a simple and honest explanation for all this. If there is, HP owes it to us all to provide that explanation immediately.

http://www.idahovaluesalliance.com/news.asp?id=895

Thanks to "blue97keet" for the nice catch.

[babylonsister]

1. 24,600 workers in 3 years? Devastating. Rec'd for eyes. nt

[ChoralScholar]

2. This is strange - HP is just now opening a new Tech Center in Conway, Arkansas

Home to both University of Central Arkansas and Hendrix College...

It's supposed to bring 3500 new jobs to the area?

Robbing Peter to pay Paul? Or just moving some place they can pay lower wages?

[blue97keet]

7. found this for Conway AK

http://www.juju.com/jobs?c=entry-level&l=Conway%2C+AR

Inside Sales Representative - Graduate Positions (EG), Spanish Bilingual
Hewlett Packard (Conway, AR)
...HP is seeking candidates that will be responsible for actively hunting new sales opportunities for the sales reps and selling and supporting customers in the IT technology area. The team is responsible to drive outbound marketing campaigns and support the installed base calling efforts. The...

Job Information
Posted by: Hewlett Packard
Hiring Entity type: Computer, Software
Work Authorization: Not Specified for United States
Position Type: Direct Hire, Full-Time
Compensation: ******
Benefits: See below
Relocation: Not specified
Position Functions: Sales

Travel: See below
Accept candidates: from anywhere

Languages: See below
Minimum Education: See below
Minimum Years Experience: See below
Resumes accepted in: English
Cover Letter: No cover letter requested
Job Code: 250394 / Latpro-1776406
Date Posted: Aug-19-2008
State, Zip: Arkansas, 72034

Description

business environment

hp dreamed of pioneering e-commerce and m-commerce
?-
?and it's happening. We dreamed of intelligent appliance, infrastructure and e-solutions
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?and it's happening, too.

All it takes is imagination. Lots of it. Which is why our approach is not just to sell boxes.

Our sales organization delivers a unique customer experience. We think of the business as a whole. We work together to sell strategic solutions as well as stand-alone products. And that's how we lead the e-services revolution

The impact of e-services is transforming our customers' business
?-
?transforming the experience of their customers
?-
?transforming our customers' value
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?enabling us to become catalysts in creating processes, redefining industry structures and changing the markets in which we operate.

We've built a sales operation with offices throughout the world. In every one of them is a team of inventive, capable people
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?committed to serving their customers and with the drive to meet demanding targets.

job description

HP is seeking candidates that will be responsible for actively hunting new sales opportunities for the sales reps and selling and supporting customers in the IT technology area. The team is responsible to drive outbound marketing campaigns and support the installed base calling efforts. The rep works collaboratively with management to drive marketing programs, lead qualification, demand generation, sales initiatives, demo development, support, incremental revenue for inside sales and work closely with internal and external HP customers and teams marketing and selling HP services and solutions.

Initially working under the guidance of a sales representative, you'll become increasingly independent and pro-active as you move up the scale. Advanced people tend to develop specialist areas of knowledge and are appointed in line with the requirements of the business.

Join the HP family and get your career off to an excellent start
with one of CollegeGrad.com's top 50 entry-level employers in the U.S. for 2008!


Requirements

your profile

This is an Entry-Level, New College Graduate Opportunity.

The successful candidate will have graduated within the last year AND have the following qualifications
:

Bachelor's (graduate) degree in a scientific or related business discipline
From some to several years' relevant experience
Outstanding spoken and written communication skills
Ability to open conversations and close deals
Track record of target achievement
Demonstrable ability to work in fast changing environments
Knowledge in IT Tools (database system; MS-Office and computer tools
?-
?)
Exchange, SQL technical knowledge and experience
Basic knowledge of general administrative processes in selling contracts
Telephone skills
Transactional selling
Telemarketing skills
Communication skills
Customer-oriented ability
Interpersonal skills
Proactivity
Creative ability
Teambuilding
Prospect Development skills
Customer service skills
Independent
Some experience in customer facing
Experience in calling customers
System administration
Lead generation for outside sales staff
Outbound sales supporting
Transactional selling
Knowledge of company promotions and upgrades
Quota responsibility
Multi-product sellings or complex sells
Training and coaching telesales

[Skittles]

9. they want all that in a new college grad?

AIN'T HAPPENING

[Wilber_Stool]

3. Not to worry

I'm sure that the AG is on it at this very moment.:sarcasm:

[ihavenobias]

4. K & R, terrible n/t

[blue97keet]

5. DOL supports phony job recruitment practice

OhioChick thanks for reposting my previous post.
Below is a portion of the Department of Labor "memo" linked to in the Idaho newspaper article. The official title of memo is as below and can be found in pdf format on DOL website. Please note that there is a "certification-related recruitment" process that differs from normal recruitment process. What this means folks is that if your resume goes through a "certification-related " process you are likely to be scrutinized by immigration lawyers since and I quote "the permanent labor certification program imposes recruitment standards on the employer that may deviate from the employer?s normal standards of evaluation". In other words the job requirments have some deviant dependency on the foreign labor certification program! This is our crazy government at work!

Restatement of PERM Program Guidance Bulletin on the Clarification of Scope of Consideration Rule in 20 CFR ? 656.10(b)(2).

exerpt:
The Department of Labor has a statutory responsibility to ensure that no foreign worker (or ?alien?) is admitted for permanent residence based upon an offer of employment absent a finding that there are not sufficient U.S. workers who are able, willing, qualified and available for the work to be undertaken and that the admission of such worker will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of U.S. workers similarly employed. 8 U.S.C. ? 1182(a)(5)(A)(i). The Department fulfills this responsibility by determining the availability of qualified U.S. workers before approving a permanent labor certification application and by ensuring that U.S. workers are fairly considered for all job opportunities that are the subject of a permanent labor certification application. Accordingly, the Department relies on employers who file labor certification applications to recruit and consider U.S. workers in good faith, even where the employer already has a temporarily-admitted foreign national working for the employer.
The Department has long held the view that good faith recruitment requires that an employer?s process for considering U.S. workers who respond to certification-related recruitment closely resemble the employer?s normal consideration process. In most
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situations, that normal hiring process does not involve a role for an attorney or agent (as defined in 20 C.F.R. ? 656.3) in assessing the qualifications of applicants to fill the employer's position. It also does not involve any role for the foreign worker or foreign national in any aspect of the consideration process. However, given that the permanent labor certification program imposes recruitment standards on the employer that may deviate from the employer?s normal standards of evaluation, the Department understands and appreciates the legitimate role attorneys and agents play in the permanent labor certification process. Additionally, the Department respects the right of employers to consult with their attorney(s) or agent(s) during that process to ensure that they are complying with all applicable legal requirements.

[OhioChick]

6. Thanks for posting. n/t

[Skittles]

8. "lower-priced talent from overseas" ?

no, let's call it like it is - cheap fucks from overseas

[Raksha]

10. K & R