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NeoTheo Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:19 PM
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"This Is Straight-Out Fascism"
September 23, 2008 (LPAC)--Lyndon LaRouche today warned Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson that his bailout scheme, particularly its demand, in Section 8, for absolute dictatorial decision-making powers over all aspects of the trillion-dollar bailout, "is straight-out fascism. And the American people will never tolerate this.'' LaRouche candidly added, "The American people are being screwed, and they shall not take it kindly, I would hope.''

In the past 24 hours, a handful of people have begun to join LaRouche in calling this looting swindle for what it is. In a column in today's New York Times by David Brooks, three critics of the bailout scheme were quoted. William Greider warned, "If Wall Street gets away with this, it will represent an historic swindle of the American public--all sugar for the villains, lasting pain and damage for the victims.'' Christopher Whalen of Institutional Risk Analytics wrote, "The joyous reception from Congressional Democrats to Paulson's latest massive bailout proposal smells an awful lot like yet another corporatist love fest between Washington's one-party government and the Sell Side investment banks.'' But Brooks himself added, "If you wanted to devise a name for this approach, you might pick the phrase economist Arnold Kling has used: Progressive Corporatism. We're not entering a phase in which government stands back and lets the chips fall. We're not entering an era when the government pounds the powerful on behalf of the people. We're entering an era of the educated establishment, in which government acts to create a stable--and often oligarchic--framework for capitalist endeavor.'' Economist Kling commented, on his own website, hours after the Brook article appeared, musing, "Progressive corporatism--I guess it goes down easier than liberal fascism.''

http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/09/23/larouche-straight-out-fascism.html
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:21 PM
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1. Posting quotes from Larouchies isn't going to
win you many friends around here.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:21 PM
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2. I don't really care what Larouche thinks
He's only upset that it's fascism without himself at the head.
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The Craw Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:24 PM
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3. Lyndon LaRouche is a nutcase, and many of his followers are not that far behind..
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 02:27 PM by The Craw
I run into his followers all the time in Harvard Square, and they are not far removed from the Scientologists in their loopiness...
I'll agree with some of his points, that Bush and Cheney are war criminals- but Lyndon LaRouche is too batsh*t crazy to take seriously..
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NeoTheo Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:48 PM
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8. I have to admit that some of the things posted on his web site
are pretty bazaar but on this one he is dead on. When someone is right about something it doesn't make sense to deny that they are right because they have been wrong on other things. Most of people's perceptions are usually wrong to begin with. It just seems to be our nature.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 02:36 PM
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4. Yeah, LaRouche is nuts, but it still doesn't change the fact he's right on this one.
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Porschenut1066 Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:29 PM
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5. Your right it is a fascist shift in America
Compare George Bush's actions to that of Nazi Germany....Hello ring any alarm bells.
I guess it might if American's were taught any european history perhaps about
Germany, Italy, Spain, or even Chile and Pinochet.

So here is a comparison with Germany since the NeoCon philosophy comes from there:

Compare the Bush Chaney White House with some of the worlds most famous dictatorships.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2000-2008
A) Mobs of young men dressed in identical shirts shouting outside a voting center in Florida to intimidate people to stop a recount.
A1) Mobs of men dressed in identical shirts (brown shirts) stood near voting stations shouting and intimidating people.
B) Mobs of young republicans are organized by the National Party to make bonfires and burn CD's produced by the Dixie Chicks
B1) Mobs of Brown shirts and Hitler Youth are organized by the Nazi Party to make bonfires and burn books written by those they disagreed with.
C) Members of the Young republicans are shaming academics for saying something they disagreed about.
C1) Members of the Nazi Party would shame academics for saying something they disagreed about.
D) The FBI being told to stop peace activists flying or boarding aircraft on orders of the White House
D1) The German authorities were instructed to stop peace activists and other “trouble makers” at airports.
E) When the US invaded Iraq V.P. Cheney asserted we would be “greeted as liberators”.
E1) When the Nazi's invaded the Rhineland, Nazi propaganda asserted that they would be “greeted as liberators”
F) Bush Administration using phrases such as we will find terrorists “hiding in their spider-holes”
F1) Nazi's would find their enemies “hiding in their spider-holes”
G) The Bush administration increased security restrictions at airports. Airport security guards were forcing passengers to drink their own breast milk. Others to drink baby formula in front of all the other passengers
G1) One of Mussolini's intimidation tactics was to force citizens to drink body fluids and emetics in public. The Nazi's followed suit with breast milk and urine in front of the other passengers.
H) 2002 Bush created the “Department of Homeland Security” White house spokespeople started referring to the United States as the “homeland” for the first time in history instead of the nation or republic.
H1) 1930 Nazi propagandists started to refer to
Germany not as the Nation or Republic but rather “Der Heimat” - “the homeland” Deputy Fuhrer Rudolf Hess Formed a “Department of Homeland Security”
H2) 2001 USA Patriot Act let federal officials compel doctors to hand over confidential medical records without a warrant showing probable cause.
H3) 1930 German doctors were required to disclose citizens previously private medical records to the state.
H4) 2005 Guantanamo prisoners reported seeing the Koran being flushed down toilets.
Amnesty International reports US interrogators tormented prisoners by playing heavy metal at top volume day and night.
Iraqi human rights group complained that in 2004 the US forces seized the innocent wives of suspected insurgents and held the women hostage to pressure their husbands to turn themselves in.
H5) 1938 the Gestapo forced Jews to scrub out toilets with their sacred phylacteries, the tfillin.
1938 the Gestapo interrogators tormented prisoners by playing music on the radio at top volume day and night.
In Stalinist Russia, the secret police seized the innocent wives of suspected dissidents and held the women hostage to pressure their husbands to turn themselves in.
H6) After 9/11 National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and V.P. Cheney coined a new phrase: America was now on a permanent “war footing” but we were not actually at war.
H7) Nazi leaders said after the Reichstag fire that Germany was now on a “war footing” but were not actually at war. But would remain pertinently on a “war footing”
H8) The Bush White House “embedded” reporters with U.S. Military units in Iraq. Uncritical coverage of the war expanded considerably
H9) Nazi propaganda officials embedded reporters and camera crews with their armed forces. U.S reporters drove with German units into France.
H10) The Bush administration unloads coffins of dead American soldiers from planes at night and has forbidden photographs being taken of them.
H11) The Nazi's unloaded the coffins of German military dead only at night and no photographs were allowed.
H12) Paid informants having received hundreds of thousands of dollars found a “sleeper cell” in Lodi, California. The two men explained later that they had confessed to the imaginary “sleeper cell” to end the terrifying series of interrogations
H13) Stalin invented “Sleeper cells” and had paid informants find them among the general public. Stalin said that the US Government was planting the sleepers so that one day they could all rise up and create mayhem
H14) “Sleeper cell” was a term most Americans were unfamiliar with until a TV movie in 2005
H15) Making sure the general population were alerted to the threat made everyone suspicious,
H16) In 2006 a terrorist plot against US bound planes uncovered in London gave the world a much quoted sound bite “ If this had actually happened the world would have stood still”
H17) In 1940 after Hitler had set up his plan for world domination said that if everything happens as planned “the world will hold it's breath”

H18) At first the only people held at Guantanamo Cuba were brown skinned foreigners, in October 2006 that changed and white English speaking prisoners began to appear. They had been charged with treason, espionage, subversion and aiding the enemy
H19) At first the Germans arrested only the Communists and criminals and enemies of the state and placed them in concentration camps. But is was not long before he turned his attention to a group long held as potential spy's and subversives the Jews.
H20) 2007 Bush had started to criminalize speech in new ways. Journalists who write articles criticizing the Bush Administration are being arrested and released after a warning, editors are being treated the same way. Journalists are subject to arrest, torture, and trial by tribunal outside judicial system
H21) Germany started to crack down on anyone who did not agree with the Nazi philosophy. Journalists were arrested and released after a warning, editors were treated the same way. Anyone criticizing the Nazi party or any official of the party was subject to arrest, torture, and trial not in a German court but by tribunal outside the normal judicial system
H22) Bush started to crack down on anyone who did not agree with the republican philosophy. Journalists were arrested and released after a warning, editors were warned they could be charged with treason if they published leaked info.(New York Times)
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:45 PM
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6. Well Done!
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NeoTheo Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:33 PM
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7. You got this one dead on
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 05:36 PM by NeoTheo
Since 9/11 things have been such a play by play repeat of 1930's Germany that it scares the hell out of me.

And your are correct, if Americans knew their history and law, and politics, and government, and economics, and philosophy, it would be helpfull
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Dj13Francis Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:28 PM
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9. I've been familiar
with the Lyndon LaRouche movement for a long time. I was in college back in the early 90's when I first ran across a table with their literature. At the time I was studying economics and political science, and I found his group intriguing. I read their literature and went to some meetings with the group. I even went so far as to travel to DC to hear Larouche speak at a conference, and get indoctrinated into their "Cadre School". I ended up leaving the group because of a few reasons. First, they insisted upon having Larouche himself be the person to initiate the needed reforms, even after his character had been assassinated. I believed that he would be better as an advisor to someone who could carry on his ideas, as his character assassination clearly had left him and his followers as a fringe group of wierdos. Second, the group has been shouting that the sky is falling since as long as I could remember. It was back at this time, when I read their literature and thought about these trends in detail that I theorized that if we did not stop taking the country into debt, turn around the trade deficit and restore a manufacturing base, we would face a meltdown around the time the baby boomers retired. Though I knew in theory that what they said regarding these trends was true, I knew that it was not something that was imminent. It now has come to pass that it is. Third, Larouche has always had a tendency to tilt at windmills regarding the causes and villians involved in these trends. I never found these to be credible. So, in regards to this movement, I'd advise taking what they say with a grain of salt... Though there likely are some things which are not credible, they often do make valid and insightful points.
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