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Stingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:10 AM
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Hillary Clinton Accepted the Secretary of State Position?
Could it be that Hillary Clinton has accepted the role of Secretary of State? The Guardian is reporting the story, and is the first to claim the scoop. It is possible they are wrong, but Obama surely wishes to get this position in place soon. If true, this move will change our stance in the world for the better, and I applaud the move.



http://allspinzone.com/wp/2008/11/18/hillary-clinton-accepted-the-secretary-of-state-position/
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petwlkr Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:54 AM
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1. Sorry
I think Obama dropped the ball on this one. :thumbsdown:

The world celebrated Obama's victory because it represented change and a turning of the page from business as usual in this country. Putting a Clinton out there as the international face of an Obama administration will be seen as a step back from that promise. Besides that, it's just a matter of time before some of Bill's numerous international business dealings results in some sort of a scandal that will be eagerly used by the Republicans to tar and feather Barack with.

Bill Richardson has more experience and a better temperment for the job, I really wish Obama had picked him. ;(
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desktop Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 12:02 PM
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4. It's a step back only for the Clinton haters, which DU is dominated by
The rest of the world thinks it's an outstanding choice. Personally I think she should turn it down, because she is more powerful in the senate. But if that's what they both want, power to them. Richardson has shown he has no loyalty, not a good thing for a Presidential underling to have.
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jrockford Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 12:20 PM
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5. The rest of the world does NOT think it's an outstanding choice - what
a stupid comment.
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desktop Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 12:42 PM
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6. Your exception has been noted
Thanks and have a great day
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 06:44 PM
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16. I'm with jrockford.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 08:26 PM
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17. Actually, International reaction has been very positive
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petwlkr Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 12:46 PM
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7. I don't owe the Clinton's some sort of blind allegiance
and acknowledging the baggage that they bring does NOT make me a Clinton hater!!! I believe Hillary has a lot to offer to this administration, I just don't feel her talents would be best utilized in this position. Your tactic of labeling me as a "Clinton hater" simply for daring to question this appointment is no different than the Republicans pegging anyone who questioned Bush as a traitor.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:07 PM
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11. I agree.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:20 PM
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12. There's an age divide...
Many of us here now aren't old enough to remember the Clinton era as well as the Primary season. In the end, as with all public figures, she (or whoever) will have to prove herself.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:20 PM
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13. DUPE!
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 03:20 PM by nothingtoofear
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Stingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:31 PM
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14. Hillary needs to be in the best place for her
The Senate is not that place unless Harry Reid resigns. I want her to be effective, and SoS is the way to go.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 08:45 PM
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19. Stating the obvious- that she isn't qualified for this position - has nothing to do with personal
feelings. And, actually who are all these people who applaud this idea? So far the only people I have heard quoted in the positive are Clinton spokespeople and Clinton friends. Oh, and a few Republican's who also strangely, were pushing for her to be the VP choice.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:10 PM
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8. Well who gives a rozzen toot what the hell
you think. Obama is smart and a lot more intelligent than you are. He wants what is best for this country. You Hillary haters are just a bunch of whiners and malcontents. You make me sick.
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petwlkr Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:02 PM
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10. I don't imagine anyone does care what I think
Any more than I care if something I said makes you sick. The fact that you felt the need to respond to a differing opinion with such vitriol illustrates which one of the two of us is really the "hater" here.

I know that after the last 8 years people in this country have forgotten what a democracy looks like but the basic premise lies in the belief that everyone gets to have their say.

I don't doubt for one second that Obama is smarter than both of us and he will ultimately do what he feels is in this country's best interest... that's why I voted for him. Since Obama has no qualms about surrounding himself with people who represent all kinds of opposing views; maybe you could take your cues from him and quit reacting with such venom to anyone whom you disagree with?
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 08:54 PM
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21. vulgarity and intelligence are usually mutually exclusive
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 08:56 PM by wcepler
SS,

Well vulgarity and intelligence usually don't go together, but perhaps you are an exception. If you're sick, see a doctor.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 09:45 PM
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23. I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree on that one. I know people who are both
blindingly intelligent and unrepentantly, cheerfully vulgar. George Carlin springs to mind as an example.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 08:41 PM
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18. I would support Kerry in this position, but I agree, he has dropped the ball here.
If he has to pacify her for some unknown reason why place her in this post? She isn't even qualified for it and would turn our foreign policy matters into a circus. I am really questioning Obama's judgment on this one. I just hope it isn't a done deal- this pick seems to show a real disregard for foreign policy matters.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:56 AM
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2. The buzz since early last evening is
that she accepted, but the Obama team was still trying to determine the potential damage Bill Clinton's international connections, financial and otherwise might pose. Bill is stonewalling the vetters.
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petwlkr Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 12:01 PM
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3. If Bill is not completely on board
Then Hillary's nomination needs to be rescinded. Good gawd the last thing Obama needs is Bill Clinton running his own damn agenda. He just can't seem to keep his alpha male impulses in check and it winds up hurting Hillary time and time again.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:36 PM
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9. I once thought...
that she needed to stay in the Senate- because the Senate has weak leadership and needs all the strong Senators it can get. After the vote to allow Lieberman to keep his chair, they have proven the senate is a loss. Might as well have Hillary as SOS.
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leapinggnome Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 05:33 PM
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15. jesus fuckin christ
It's not even been confirmed yet and all these people are going knee-jerk, batshit crazy. Obama hasn't even announced his final decisions and you people are complaining! Would you rather have had McCain win, and (shudder) had Sarah Palin as VP?

I trust Obama to make the right decision, even if it's one I don't agree with.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 08:50 PM
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20. This is a major post-4th in line to the presidency and the entire world's view and
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 08:51 PM by wisteria
safely are possibly being placed in the hands of someone who is not qualified, experienced or has the temperament for this position. And, I was hoping for real change - not more of the Clinton's.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 09:24 PM
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22. well, Obama seems to think she's qualified
experienced and has the temperament for the position.

I guess you know better than him, though...
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:54 AM
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26. It just isn't little old me. Many in the state department worry about her
weakness in foreign policy and even Obama insiders do not think she is right for this position. This should have been Kerry's spot, but he is not "hawkish" enough and he along with Obama would not maintain the status quo. Hillary is a sure bet that nothing will change overseas and in Iraq. I wouldn't expect our soldiers to be coming home anytime soon or our Iraq policy to change.Oh, and or a more personal level- generally the Secretary of State sees eye to eye with the President and their efforts and words are to that of the President. Frankly, I see a problem with that with Hillary who doesn't like to take orders.
I am seeing the new boss being the same as the old boss.
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leapinggnome Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:51 AM
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25. As I said in my post,
I don't agree with the decision either, my point was that the news had yet to be confirmed nor if it has by now Sen Clinton has yet to accept the position.

My point was all the knee-jerk Clinton haters that started bellyaching as soon as a whiff of news about it came around.

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 09:55 AM
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27. Sorry, the very nature of what the Clinton's are and what they have done to our party
sends some of us into a tailspin.
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Stingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:12 PM
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28. I personally have little problem with Hillary
as a public servant. I would have voted for her for President over any Repub, though I am an Obama fan. I just think the Repubs would have demonized her far more than they did Obama, and she was therefore a lousy candidate. I think she'll be fine as SoS.

That said, it is only one publication that is claiming she has accepted the position.
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Stingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:12 AM
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24. It's only even one outlet
reporting she has accepted the position. Wow!
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