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CrisisPapers Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 10:57 AM
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Getting Through the Coming Depression
| Bernard Weiner |

Our men's group, currently in our 17th year, is composed of middle-class professionals -- lawyers, educators, therapist, writer, corporate manager, doctor, etc. -- and each of us in this perilous economy in recent months has taken a deep financial hit of one form or another or knows (or has heard of) someone personally who is struggling to hold onto or already has lost his/her job.

The general conclusion based on our personal knowledge, on the relevant economic indicators, and on what we are hearing from experts and economic-focused journalists and bloggers from around the globe, is that the U.S. and the other nations of the world are in a deep recession and are heading quickly toward a major depression. This dangerous state could last for many years, maybe even a decade or more.

We middle-class types will somehow make it through to the other side, with a lot of financial pain, belt-tightening, supporting each other more, joint projects, etc. The wealthy, of course, will easily weather the crisis. But the lower-middle class and the poor, with fewer job skills and a badly frayed "safety net" of social services, will be the true victims of the economic meltdown. Charities and shelters and church programs will be overwhelmed. The permanent underclass will grow at a rapid rate, with a concomitant rise in violent crime. Pollution-control and global-warming projects may well be postponed or canceled due to lack of funds. Public education, as is usual in times of belt-tightening, no doubt will take a big hit, thus perpetuating the problem.

IGNORING THE WARNING FLAGS

Government economists like Alan Greenspan and others (the supposed "wise men" about money matters) professed to be surprised by the major collapse of the financial system, and the housing market, that has brought us to our present pass. Lots of sharp observers sussed out what was coming long before, but, by and large, they were derided as tinfoil-hat paranoids while the golden goose continued laying such profitable golden eggs.

Economist Duncan Black, who writes under the blogger name Atrios, had been warning for two years about what he called the "big shitpile" growing exponentially in the country. He, and a few others, realized the consequences and ramifications long ago, but few in power wanted to pay attention. It was all good, as long as housing values continued their "inevitable" rise, interest rates were low, and credit plentiful. An occasional government insider would warn about the extreme danger of unsupervised hedge funds and unregulated bundling of shaky mortgages and "credit default swaps" and so on, but they too were shunted to the side by many, including a Congress that should have been exercising oversight.

About a year ago, a number of the members of our men's group started asking our financial advisors what they thought about "the big shitpile" concept, even if that exact term may not have been used, and whether we should be concerned. The advice we tended to get back was the prevailing wisdom of the time: there could be a slight, temporary downturn in the economy, but the markets always bounce back and the longterm prospects look good. Just ride it out. And then came the bursting of the housing bubble, the collapse of the financial institutions and thus the easy-credit system, and the resulting devastating market crash. And the worldwide recession/depression.

And now we're all expected to grab a shovel and help reduce the huge "big shitpile" stinking up the middle of our country's economic living room. We're all in debt, including our children and grandchildren, while we bail out the largest financial and corporate institutions -- those deemed "too big" to risk their going under -- in hopes that the economy will be stabilized and start slowly climbing back to health.

But, per usual, even today there is precious little oversight of these hundreds of billions of dollars being doled out, and, surprise!, the banks and corporate behemoths are using our money in ways that aid themselves but do not help out ordinary American borrowers and consumers. The rich get richer, the politicians get to seem as if they're doing something, and the "bailouts" arranged in our names ensure that we ordinary Americans wind up as the ones paying the freight.

AMERICAN "SOCIALISM" ARRIVES

I remember my parents talking about the Great Depression they lived through in the 1930s, the millions of unemployed men that were forced to the soup kitchens for sustenance, the "safety-net" institutions of the time that were overwhelmed by the demand for their limited services, and the demagogues that were stirring up angry crowds by blaming scapegoats of one sort or another ("the blacks," "the Jews," "the Catholics," "dirty immigrants," et al.).

The situation is so dire in late-2008 that free-market capitalists have become, so to speak, a variant of "socialists" virtually overnight. They are having to recognize, against their own ideology and instincts, that there is such a thing as the "public good/public interest" and that a centralized government has a major role to play in ensuring economic survival and a general sense of "we're all in this together and need to get out of this together." That's a sea-change in American culture, which brings with it all sorts of ramifications, some positive, some negative.

In the 1930s, the aristocratic New York politician Franklin Delano Roosevelt became President and soon, faced with the reality of the crashing economy and endangered institutional structures, found himself taking drastic social/economic action to stave off imminent economic collapse and the possibility of revolution.

FDR, recognizing that the most important task was to get citizens earning a paycheck once again, set up government works projects, mostly centered around rebuilding the country's infrastructure. The initiatives worked, with a side benefit that the psychological mood of the country shifted away from panic and fear into glimmers of hope and optimism. Unfortunately, it took shifting to a full-scale war footing -- building ships and planes and tanks and bombs -- to yank the economy back to solid health.

Barack Obama is inheriting a godawful mess as he prepares to move into the presidency, virtually none of it of his making. The governmental/corporate looting system that was the CheneyBush Administration, with greed as its organizing principle and lack of oversight as its all-clear authorization, has broken the back of the American economy. And because when America sneezes the rest of the world catches a cold, the situation is even more dangerous and desperate.

REBIRTH OF "NEW DEAL" PROGRAMS

Obama, our men's group speculated, might well turn out to be this generation's FDR, if he has the willingness and intelligence to seize the moment -- and luck on his side.

In his comments toward the end of his campaign, Obama talked about the necessity to put our citizens back to work, so it's possible that he will initiate huge infrastructure projects that will generate millions of salaries. Likewise, by moving ahead quickly with massive alternative-energy projects, he may be able to create millions of other "green" jobs. However, to be able to start these massive projects, he will have to borrow immense sums of money from the international community (read: China, which is undergoing its own economic downturn).

None of this will guarantee success. We're talking long-range investments here, which may pay off many years down the line. But the point is that the federal government, after being ideologically and intellectually asleep at the wheel for eight full years (the better to allow for the organized looting by their corporate supporters), finally will be headed in the direction of intelligent action.

If this means government-sponsored works projects, heavy borrowing up front to finance the initiatives, universal health care as a way of cutting through the administrative costs, much more regulation of banks and other lenders, it appears that the American public, even including some staunch conservatives, will approve. Maybe we can grease the tracks for such necessary initiatives by not using the "s" word ("socialism"), but call them "patriotic projects" or "national-security infrastructure programs" or some other euphemism.

In the meantime, many, like those in my men's group, will realize that to get through the coming lean years, there will have to be much more sharings by friends and neighbors of resources such as garden harvests, tools, vehicles, work, cash loans, meals, etc. We all know that this will entail a shared sacrifice and that it takes a village's collective wisdom and strength to get through hard times.

It worked for our parents and grandparents, who transformed themselves and the U.S. in the process. There's no going back now. We're in it. We can either give in to despair and hopelessness, or, in a spirit of hope and optimism, we can make it work for our generation on behalf of our children and grandchildren. In so doing, we have the chance to transform ourselves, and our country, for the better.

-- BW
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mrih Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:06 AM
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1. How about calling it.......
The war on our crumbling infrastructure.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:20 AM
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3. Needed first: The War on Looting.
Needed today..... 15 minutes from now. Before Paulson can facilitate 2 more months of pillaging!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:08 AM
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2. Corporate control of all - Congress. press, all hierarchies may be tougher
to defeat this time ...

Buy-out if Congress permitted the overturning of New Deal and they still own Congress --

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:26 AM
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4. The people don't need to suffer as much as this guy thinks we
should. Give us a few hundred trillion, we can make it through too.

This was all planned by the powers that be. You will never get me to believe otherwise.
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prostock69 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:48 AM
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7. Oh, I totally agree
This was all planned by the powers that be. Those powers were the ultra-conservatives (Norquist being one of them) They want to bankrupt the government so the government would be forced to cut all welfare programs (medicare/medicaid, welfare, social security, etc.) The stock market crash and looting of our tax payers money was part of the scheme. Privatizing Social Security was part of the plan. So when the stock market tanked, all the SS money would go with it. End of SS. Thank GOD Bush was unable to privatize SS or things would be even worse now. I think the men behind these crimes need to be hunted down by the CIA and taken to undisclosed locations and tortured until they spill their guts. If Pres. Bush could do it, why couldn't Obama? The only way this country is truly going to change and stay changed for the better is to rout out these evil bastards and make an example of all of them.
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 01:44 PM
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8. "the SS money would go with it"
I don't doubt that they wanted SS to circle the bowl with the market. But, dude, there isn't any money in SS - just a bunch of junk treasury bonds (IOU's) from paying Bush's tax cuts. If we had gotten Al Gore's 'lockbox' there might actually be money there, but that opportunity is long gone.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:55 PM
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15. You would have enjoyed a letter to the editor in a local paper here
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 07:56 PM by truedelphi
The writer stated that the Depression would end if instead of giving Paulson and his cronies 700 Billion - instead to take out a calculator and decide how much each person should get if that money was to be divided equally (If you add in the interest it might include over thirty years of payback)

So let's say it comes to $ 4,500 per man woman and child.

Then send each man woman and child that sum so that they can apply that money to their wallet and bank accounts and let the money trickle up!
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:40 AM
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5. Clearly a depression is coming.
I'm not sure that the middle class types who think they'll do okay really understand.

Those who have the resources to live close to the land will do okay. Those who have the skills to innovate, improvise and be self-sufficient will do okay. I fear for the residents of the vast tracts of suburbia, living hand - to supermarket - to mouth.

Personally, if I were a "middle-class professional -- lawyers, educators, therapist, writer, corporate manager, doctor, etc." I'd be more worried, not less.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:44 AM
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6. Support local agriculture
When the supply chain begins to break down, those farms across the country and globe that have supplied us with an increasing amount of produce may have difficulty delivering their product.

Start a small garden. During WWII, when the US was a major source of food for countries that were unable to support their agricultural sectors, citizens were encouraged to start 'Victory Gardens.'

That time has come again, perhaps not for the same reasons but it's better to have too much than little or nothing if things get rally bad.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:39 PM
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11. yes, we do already, have commun garden and my own
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 10:01 AM
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17. Going 'organic'
Folks should check with their State cooperative extension office to inquire about getting a soil test. This is especially important if one is considering growing 'organic' vegetables and fruits. Sources of the approved soil amendments will need to be found and supplies purchased before the Spring rush when they may no longer be available due to increased demand.
In speaking with suppliers this past season, the consensus was that due to more folks getting into gardening and expansion of existing gardens, there may be shortages this coming Year. The high cost of fuel, fluctuating currency exchange rates and other factors caused many suppliers to delay or cancel orders for next season's inventory.

Plan ahead.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:15 PM
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9. I posted a few weeks ago that this "economic shock" could backfire
on the Disaster Capitalists and help promote the progressive agenda while suppressing the move towards privatizing public programs.

Thankfully, Obama won the election. He's been given the public mandate to turn things around.

Now if our Democratic Congress can grow a backbone and do what needs to be done without worrying what the political implications could be...

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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:38 PM
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10. it's arrived-prepping myself/family for the worst
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mgc1961 Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:54 PM
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12. I've been emotionally preparing...
...Denise for this probability for a couple of years though I tried not to alarm her too much with reassurances that we'll be ok despite the near approach of her retirement age. Laughter is usually a good antidote for that kinda thing along some with fugetaboutit refrains and a friendly house cat.

Mom and Dad are gonna be financially fine though the prospects of selling their house and moving closer to us kids is becoming increasingly problematic. My sister's family will probably be ok too though my self-employed brother and Denise's kid's futures remain cloudy.

On the up side, the sunrise forecast for tomorrow morning is just shy of 100 percent.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 04:29 PM
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13. Our nation is reaping what 20 years of 'puke rule (non-governance) has sown since the Gipper
introduced his voodoo economics (GHWB's term, not mine) featuring highly irresponsible fiscal policies and grossly unfair tax policies coupled with Greenspan's creation of two bubbles (Alan Abelson's assessment, not mine) culminating in his despicable accommodation of junior's tax cuts and suggesting future social security benefits be reduced to pay for these tax cuts which have had the effect of trillions of dollars ultimately being pilfered from Al's lock-box. Sadly, 66% of white folk in my native state voted to stay the course although 'puke rule has been detrimental to perhaps 90% or so of that 66%, in fact, I suspect it has even been detrimental to Ranger Smith. :P
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 04:34 PM
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14. yup, and Green-spew's reply: "I make a mistake"--buh-bye!
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mentalslavery Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 12:37 AM
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16. yup, this pretty much sums of the shit we are headed for
I guess the tin foil hat accusers had tin foil brains
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