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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 08:31 AM
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Can Obama Keep IT Jobs in the U.S.?
The billions in spending included in the stimulus plan may be more effective than tax incentives in stemming the outsourcing of IT jobs

February 2, 2009, 10:03PM EST

Corporate America's drive to cut costs by moving jobs offshore has hit Robert Poulk hard. A veteran of the defense, aerospace, and computer industries, Poulk never had trouble finding work—until 2003. That year, his job as a senior troubleshooter for a major software manufacturer was moved offshore to Bangalore, India. During a yearlong period of unemployment, Poulk sent out five to seven résumés a week and got only four responses. Eventually, he was hired by a temp agency and assigned a job at his old company, which he asked not be identified, where he now works as a contractor for about 30% less money and no benefits.

Having tapped his savings to make mortgage payments during his period of unemployment, Poulk is now concerned he won't have enough money for retirement. "I'm still waiting for the new prosperity that globalization was supposed to bring," he says.

Poulk's hopes, and those of other U.S. workers whose jobs have been shipped overseas, now rest with President Barack Obama, who has pledged to keep more jobs in the U.S. On Jan. 16, just days before his inauguration, Obama told workers in Ohio, "We're not looking to create just any kind of jobs here; we're looking to create good jobs that pay well and can't be shipped overseas."

Tax Credits Aren't Enough
Keeping jobs within U.S. borders proved a tall order for Obama's predecessor and may be comparably vexing for the current Administration. Poulk's job was part of an early wave of IT jobs headed offshore, but the trend has only accelerated since 2003. U.S. corporations will move at least 140,000 jobs offshore in 2009 and 2010, and more than 50% of those jobs will be in IT, according to a December 2008 report by the Hackett Group (HCKT), a global strategic advisory firm that specializes in outsourcing. By 2010, about 25% of all IT jobs at the world's largest companies by market value will have been moved offshore, according to Hackett.

Obama initially proposed a $3,000 tax credit this year and next for every net new job created. Still, outsourcing executives say that's not enough of a financial incentive to keep jobs in the U.S. "An average salary for a software developer in the U.S. is $75,000 and it's $8,000 in India," says Mary Jo Morris, president of World Sourcing Services for Computer Sciences Corp. (CSC).

Ultimately that tax credit proposal was shelved and other tax cuts aimed at creating jobs were included in the $819 billion economic stimulus package, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, that passed the House on Jan. 28.

Spending on Health, Broadband, Power Grid
Also included in the legislation are several initiatives aimed at creating jobs through spending. For starters, $20 billion in the stimulus package is directed at health information technology and the building of an infrastructure to promote the electronic exchange of health records. That investment will create or retain 86,820 jobs for one year in high-paying industries such as computer hardware manufacturing, software, and IT services, according to the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation, a nonpartisan think tank focused on public policies to advance technological innovation.

The stimulus act also includes another $6 billion to improve broadband Internet access in the U.S. That amount would create or retain 29,892 direct telecom jobs for a year and 8,304 capital equipment jobs, according to the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation. Finally, $11 billion in funds that will go to modernizing the power grid in the U.S. will create or retain 64,509 direct and indirect IT jobs for a year, according to the foundation. "IT did pretty well. There's a real focus on digital infrastructures, there's real money there," says Robert Atkinson, president of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation. "It basically affirmed the commitment that the country's building out IT networks is important to our future."

Even if the spending doesn't prompt companies to create jobs in house, it may give them extra incentive to choose to send work to domestic firms rather than those outside the U.S., says Jagdish Dalal, managing director of thought leadership at the International Association of Outsourcing Professionals, an industry group of outsourcing leaders from Fortune 500 companies and other organizations. That's because it takes some time to set up an offshore model and the work in this stimulus package is designed to happen immediately. This will ultimately be a challenge for offshore outsourcing destinations like India and China, he says.

Honoring Obligations
That would likely be welcome news to U.S. IT professionals like Robert Poulk. "My hope is that this new Administration can steer the government back to governing for the greater good," he says, "and that it can prevent the engines of commerce from ignoring their obligation to the system whose rules allowed them to flourish in the first place."

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/feb2009/tc2009022_337316.htm?chan=technology_technology+index+page_top+stories

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 08:37 AM
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1. yes, he can. simply take away the benefit of shipping jobs overseas
This would have a two-fold effect. It would create jobs in the US and put IT wages back on the rise. From my perspective, IT wages have been falling since 2001, primarily due to the influx of H1-B visas and off-shoring. If Obama and Congress limit the number of these visas, and tax the crap out of companies that send jobs overseas, then suddenly hiring US tech workers will become fashionable again.

So my question is not 'can' he, but 'will' he?

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Azlady Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 10:17 AM
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4. I think there are endless USA workers with this same story and
that is the question I have..... "will" he.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:47 PM
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6. Exactly right with that last sentence. n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 07:36 PM
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8. He had better keep his promises...
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 07:36 PM by OhioChick
And I'm not just talking regarding Outsourcing/Offshoring, but also the renegotiation of NAFTA, CAFTA, etc., or else he'll never see a second term.

People want what was promised...
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 08:43 AM
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2. I can relate totally with this man - The US Corporate thugs shouldn't be proud of this!
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 08:46 AM by 1776Forever
There is no love of country from these people. It is only love of money and pure unadulterated GREED that makes them make these decisions. There is one thing that is going to be the Catch 22 in all this and that is those people that came here on H1-B visas and those that have access to important data that could shut down many areas of our countries vital IT areas.

As in this story from just the other day:

Ex-Fannie Mae worker charged with planting computer virus

By Freeman Klopott
Examiner Staff Writer 1/29/09

http://www.dcexaminer.com/local/012909-Ex-Fannie_Mae_worker_charged_with_planting_computer_virus.html

A fired Fannie Mae contract employee allegedly placed a virus in the mortgage giant’s software that could have shut the company down for at least a week and caused millions of dollars in damage, prosecutors say.

Rajendrasinh Makwana, an Indian citizen, was indicted Tuesday on computer intrusion charges. The former Gaithersburg resident is out on $100,000 bail, court documents said.

Makwana was fired from his contract position at Fannie Mae on Oct. 24 for changing computer settings without permission from his supervisor, FBI agent Jessica Nye wrote in a sworn statement. He had worked at Fannie Mae for three years as a computer engineer at the Urbana offices, where he had full access to all of the federally created mortgage company’s 4,000 servers. Before leaving work Oct. 24, Makwana allegedly tried to hide a code in server software that was set to activate the morning of Jan. 31, the agent wrote.

“Had this malicious script executed, engineers expect it would have caused millions of dollars of damage and reduced if not shutdown operations at for at least one week,” Nye wrote. “The total damage would include cleaning out and restoring all 4,000 of servers, restoring and securing the automation of mortgages, and restoring all data that was erased.”

A spokeswoman for Fannie Mae declined to comment.

..........

How many more Rajendrasinh's are there out there? I am sure we will find more. Not to say all H1-B visa workers are like this - BUT why aren't we limiting their access more? AND why shouldn't our own citizens get the work first? There are millions of out of work IT workers in this country and as all of us IT workers now if you don't keep up with the current software and programs you are sh_t out of luck! So if you are laid off for even a couple of years and you go back into the job market you will find it hard to compete.

:argh:
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 08:56 AM
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3. I have one question
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 08:56 AM by Autumn Colors
The Broadband section of the article says this"

That investment will create or retain 86,820 jobs for one year in high-paying industries such as computer hardware manufacturing, software, and IT services ...

That amount would create or retain 29,892 direct telecom jobs for a year ...


What happens to the above 116,712 jobs after that one year is over? Once the system is in place, then the portion of those jobs to maintain those systems that can be done remotely will once again be outsourced to India or elsewhere???
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 10:58 AM
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5. One thing that the AT&T union workers fought over on their last contract
negotiation was no outsourcing of AT&T jobs. It worked, in that some of the positions are "national security jobs" that have to stay here. That same contract comes us in 2009.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 05:49 PM
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7. An ITAR like program for companies taking tax dollars might help.
IT firms provide what companies ask for. Most financial services companies ask for India. Anything that isn't nailed down is mostly off shore.
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