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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:16 PM
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NADER: Tax the Wall Street Speculators!
Nader is right. We don't like smoking, so we tax the crap out of it, not just to raise money, but to discourage smoking.

Republicans apply their own perverse variation of this logic: what they love, they deregulate and throw money at, and what they hate, they starve of money and regulate to death.

So they love Wall Street gamblers and scammers and hate public education.

With Wall Street, we should be looking at ways to encourage people to invest in the long term profitability of companies, by buying and holding stock, and discourage destructive behavior like day trading, the creation of derivatives, and short selling, which is essentially a bet that a business will fail. Britain is considering a law to ban short selling altogether.

The good side of our current economic crisis is it is forcing our politicians to talk about reality and come closer to put things in their proper perspective. These Wall Street scammers have done far more damage to our country and the world as whole than any terrorists have done, and to the extent that we HAVE a real problem with terrorists, it is from letting Wall Street dictate our foreign policy instead of our higher ideals. It is one thing to do business with a dictator, but quite something else to overthrow democratically elected leaders and replace them with dictators more compliant to business interests like oil, banana plantations, or sweatshops, or to invade a country to accomplish the same goal.

A case in point of this is Iran. Obama has talked about diplomacy with Iran, and Achmenajab said the US would first have to apologize for overthrowing their secular, democratically elected president in 1953 and replacing him with the oil company approved Shah, who ruled for 26 years until the Islamic revolution. If Eisenhower hadn't taken the oil companies' call in 1953, we would have no problem with Iran today.

If Wall Street can fuck up foreign policy that much, imagine what they are doing to us financially--oh wait, we don't have to imagine, do we?

How to Lighten the Income Tax Load on the American Worker
Tax the Speculators!

By RALPH NADER

Let's start with a fairness point. Why should you pay a 5 to 6 percent sales tax for buying the necessities of life, when tomorrow, some speculator on Wall Street can buy $100 million worth of Exxon derivatives and not pay one penny in sales tax?

Let's further add a point of common sense. The basic premise of taxation should be to first tax what society likes the least or dislikes the most, before it taxes honest labor or human needs.

In that way, revenues can be raised at the same time as the taxes discourage those activities which are least valued, such as the most speculative stock market trades, pollution (a carbon tax), gambling, and the addictive industries that sicken or destroy health and amass large costs.

Yet apart from a small number of legislators, most notably Congressman Peter Welch (Dem. VT) and Peter DeFazio (Dem. OR), the biggest revenue producer of all--a tax on stock derivative transactions--essentially bets on bets--and other mystifying gambles by casino capitalism--is at best corridor talk on Capitol Hill.


http://counterpunch.com/nader02052009.html">FULL TEXT
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:21 PM
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1. "Buy futures, sell futures, when there is no future!"
They're just sucking all of the money out of the lower classes into their pockets. The fact that we put up with it is obscene.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:23 PM
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2. I agree something needs to be done
Not just here, or all around the world so that the same crooks could not go to other markets to manipulate.

Speculators were the biggest problem in the rise in oil prices last year, and yet nothing has been done to stop them, at least not that I know of, from doing it again. There are basic things like food, energy, and water that should never be allowed to be traded, or bought, on commodity markets. I also agree with day trading, and selling short, something needs to be done by congress, but I won't hold my breath waiting for them.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:30 PM
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3. the other thing you could do is having a mandatory waiting period before you can sell
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:32 PM
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4. I'd go a step further - I'd seize the assets of any speculator or fund manager
That profited from the oil price ramp up, or the selling of bad paper.

We seize the assets of drug dealers in this country -- why shouldn't we do the same for the people that CAUSED the push over the cliff?Is it different ONLY because of class distinction?

SEIZE the assets - sell them off. Leave THEM and their families with nothing. Because their actions have done the same to countless more Americans than can EVER be counted.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:38 PM
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6. I agree--they should be treated like drug dealers
Did you ever see the movie BOILER ROOM? A bunch of second rate brokers run a phone room where they pump and dump stock phony stocks. At one point they run into some ''real'' brokers who laugh at them as posers.

Shortly after that film came out, the tech bubble burst, and it was painfully obvious they are ALL scammers.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:47 PM
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9. yeah I did see that film.
And all these hedge funds crooks need to be in jail, and lose every single cent they made.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:49 PM
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10. I'd use the RICO laws, in addition to your proposals.
:thumbsup:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:53 PM
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13. no question that Bush & Hank Paulson would be caught in that--and probably Geithner
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:05 AM
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19. Just rethink everything Abramoff-related, recess appointee Alice S. Fisher
a loyal Bushie mentored by Michael Chertoff and a lobbyist for the Frist family Hospital Corporation of America/HCA went right into the Criminal Division of the criminal Bush/Cheney administration's Department of Justice as Assistant Attorney General. Despite her lack of criminal prosecution experience, she was the lead "investigator" in charge of the prosecution of Jack Abramoff.

Here's Alice's page from Source Watch.org

Alice S. Fisher
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Alice_S._Fisher

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:57 PM
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12. Wonderful idea! I am with you on this! nt
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:36 PM
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5. yes, tax the speculators-absolutely! If you lose in Vegas
gambling--tough s***, casino owners don't bailout their patrons!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:40 PM
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7. they send a couple of very big guys to escort you out to the parking lot instead and if you
gambled with money you didn't have, the buzzards will be picking your bones clean in the desert the next day.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:42 PM
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8. yup
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:54 PM
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11. Recommended! Highly!
This is the best idea I've heard for a long while.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:55 PM
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14. I left off the most important part: CONTACT OBAMA & TELL HIM TO DO IT:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 05:14 PM
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15. This is a good idea, kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, yurbud.:thumbsup:
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Robbie88 Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 05:58 PM
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16. This is a good article. We all need to contact our Congress People to express our support for an
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 05:58 PM by Robbie88
idea such as this as soon as possible.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 10:25 PM
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17. AND whitehouse.gov/contact
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:23 AM
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18. K&R n/t
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zeos3 Donating Member (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:04 AM
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20. Kick
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:52 PM
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21. Don't let these WAR CRIMINALS go gently into the goodnight...kick
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