While Americans lose their homes, America offers fat stipends to foreigners/H-1B's

[OhioChick]

While Americans lose their homes, go without medical care, America offers fat stipends to foreign students, excellent jobs to H1B foreign workers

Rina Ayer
Feb. 8, 2009

America is starving. People are losing jobs in millions. Families are forced into streets because of foreclosures. Car companies are sending thugs to create terror in American families and pick up their cars for non-payments. People are dying because of lack of medical insurance and care.

But at the same time Universities in America are offering billions of dollars worth stipends, assistantship, free education for foreign students. Theses foreign students have far better free health insurance than 100 million American citizens. Close to 40 million Americans do not have any health insurance.

American corporations on one hand are firing millions of American workers. On the other hand they are hiring H1B foreign workers in millions. H1B is a form of slavery. It really stands for Hired for B class pay and 1 class hard work. These H1B foreigners are brought to US and forced to work day and night with no questions asked. These foreigners are really slaves looking for next year’s contract renewal and hopefully a green card with the limit of six years employment.

American universities like foreign students in F1 visa. Pay them $2000 a month, free tuition, and make them work like donkeys.

Shame on the American Research Universities, and the American Corporations. Both are creatures of the zoo where raw need, selfishness, and eagerness to exploit at any cost surpass all rationales and decency for fellow American citizens.

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/20501.asp

[FreakinDJ]

1. Microsoft dumped American workers for H1Bs

[OhioChick]

2. A friend of mine that worked for M$

Got canned a few weeks back. Said the bulk of that 5K laid off were U.S. citizens.

[Deja Q]

8. If Microsoft said they were canning H1Bs, is there a legal case for her to make or testify in?

[OhioChick]

10. Against Microsoft's lawyers?

Not a chance.

No legal obligation to keep U.S. workers over visa holders in layoff, says attorney

"Microsoft has been urged by Sen. Charles Grassley's (R-Iowa), a leading critic of the H-1B program, to protect the jobs of U.S. workers over foreign workers. In a letter last week to Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, Grassley demanded that U.S. workers get priority in keeping their jobs.

But there is nothing in the law that requires a company to cut the jobs of H-1B workers before U.S. workers, say experts. David Kussin, an immigration attorney at Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP., said, "In fact, the law is very well designed to say that you have to treat H-1Bs the same as U.S. citizens in all regards."

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9126805&intsrc=hm_list

[FatDave]

11. OK, is it wise to tell a Senator "Hey, there's NO LAW that says we have to."

About as smart as saying, "And what're you gonna do, big man with a badge, arrest me?"

[stray cat]

3. The H1b employees I know are members of a Union or get paid as well as similar trained individuals

and none of them are working more than I do as a faculty member and the ones I know work maybe 40-50 hours per week with health insurance and benefits.

More Americans need to be adept at science and engineering instead of business - H1Bs require at least a Masters degree in a specialized field where there are not well qualified American workers.

In your post - how compatiable are fat stipends and slavery

[Deja Q]

5. I'm hoping people in those industries losing their jobs will respond to you.

Everyone I know says that management is a solid career path.

And I'm pretty well versed in mathematics too. Offshore all this and remove wages and benefits, what's the incentive? Republicans always used to say "Money is an incentive". Of course, most of them make their money by bleating in front of a microphone to radio listeners, but whatever...

The truth is in the middle, as for most issues. Maybe the real chicanery is from the banks. Maybe it's offshoring. Many who have dealt with call centers know it's about sticker costs than actual quality.

I'm going back for more education, which I am paying for and I'm going to hope and pray to get a scholarship or two. It's not cheap. To read how people being brought in from other countries (who may or may not give a damn to their benefactors) are getting free education and we're just being told to get educated... I could say an verb followed by a pronoun, but that would be uncouth of me to do.


On edit: Minor clarification

[ChromeFoundry]

6. Re:

H1Bs require at least a Masters degree in a specialized field where there are not well qualified American workers.

Only a bachelor's degree is required.

[Deja Q]

7. A real one or a forged one?

There's a charming thought, about national security concerns... assuming I'm not just being paranoid, which is of course my third favorite emotional response to something...

[girl gone mad]

15. From my personal experience, quite a few are fake.

I've had several friends admit they lied about their educational background to get H1-B status. Not saying they aren't smart or otherwise qualified, but the information they used to get immigration was falsified and it's widely known that employers don't check.

[OhioChick]

28. True....

There are many articles "out there" stating that the "padding of resumes" is getting to be quite a problem. I read recently that TATA even had to weed through the fradulent resumes in India.

[Dr.Phool]

19. I did better than that. I put myself on ignore.

[OhioChick]

9. Quote:

"H1Bs require at least a Masters degree in a specialized field where there are not well qualified American workers."

Not true. The H-1B's that I currently work with/have worked with were only required to have Bachelor Degrees.

[FatDave]

13. I'm not sure what industry you're in, but it doesn't sound like IT.

And it seems like that's where most of the H1B abuse takes place. Maybe in some industries and some companies everything is on the level, but if I hear that a H1B programmer was hired because they couldn't find an American Java programmer, I have to call bullshit. Couple years ago I worked with an Oracle admin who was here on an H1B. A database administrator. Wasn't even very good at it. Nice guy though. Couldn't find an American to do that job? Bullshit.

[olegramps]

21. I would like you to substantiate your claims.

Frankly, I am skeptical of your claims because firstly the H-1B has no requirement for at least a Masters.

[Deja Q]

4. Yet the H1Bs aren't out there rioting in the streets either.

The ones I've met are actually nice.

And I'm not an expert in grammar, but some of the grammar in that article was wrong. (e.g. a missing comma in "Shame on the American Research Universities, and the American Corporations.")

Sounds like sensationalism and one-sided America-bashing. "Shame on America, blah blah blah".

I know there are issues with fraud, but how is it shame on America for giving outsiders better health coverage than those given to our own countrymen? Never mind education, which as everybody knows isn't inexpensive.

[lxlxlxl]

12. What is this stuff?

Can you please dig up a better source than whatever the hell India Daily is?

Billions of dollars worth of stipends and assistanships, is he/she talking about Pell Grants?

I'm all for H1B reform, but alot of the rhetoric (that I think you've posted before?) is really shallow, and needs serious numbers, instead of this blithe snark about Indians getting benefits.

If you are going to organize on issues of immigration reform then target the companies and the people that allow this type of 'labor at the cheapest price' policies. Come at it with numbers and data. Otherwise, in this country, every chance the country gets to blame a foreigner (see China, High Gas Prices, Arabs, etc...etc...)they have a tendency to overreact.

[OhioChick]

14. I don't post "rhetoric."

Most of my information comes from foreign news sources....this "snark" that you speak of comes from the "India Daily."

If you're so opposed to it, don't read it. :eyes:

[lxlxlxl]

22. Just look at India Daily...

First of all this isnt a personal attack on you. This is a crap article with no data, and huge assumptions and pronouncements. Billions in aid to foreign students? Do you really believe that?

I've never heard of this site, and it isnt a paper in India. It looks like a bunch of poorly written opeds by Indians on every topic under the sun.

Does it seem like a serious news site to you? It has an article on the front page right now saying that Jeb Bush is the 'vanguard' of the GOP.

[lxlxlxl]

23. Underemployment has paralyzed 80% of the population. ???

From here
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/20508.asp

[ihavenobias]

16. She posted an editorial.

This is the "Articles & Editorials" section. Also, she's posted plenty of articles that *do* have hard numbers.

But like most editorials, there is some license to be more general. Granted, you can of course disagree with the opinions presented. Even better, you're free to provide numbers to contradict the content (if you can find them).

[ChromeFoundry]

17. Re:

but alot of the rhetoric (that I think you've posted before?) is really shallow

Bullshit. Maybe 'this' source isn't the best of sources (it is Sunday Evening and all...) but don't even dare try to insinuate that OhioChick posts shallow rhetoric. Nearly all of her posts are backed up with actual facts from credible sources. If you are interested in the actual numbers, fucking look them up yourself and post them as a response. Doubtful that you will get anything more than a guess. Our own government has no clue how many H-1Bs are currently employed by Microsoft.

If you are going to try and snark the OP, at least give us all the courtesy of a quick spell-check prior to posting. (HINT: 'alot' is not a word in this language)

[dmallind]

18. So they are getting a sweetheart deal

with fat stipends and big money.....AND they are slaves?

Teensy bit hard to reconcile those I would think.

[varun]

20. "fat stipends"

These so called "Fat Stipends" range from tuition waivers to assistantships worth $20-40K per year. These stipends are usually available in science / engineering graduate programs.

These stipends are available to both foreign and US students. They are quite competitive and hard to get.

US Citizens and permanent residents can also get many other scholarships and grants that are not available to foreign students.

[Vincardog]

24. Where can I get $2000 a month, free tuition, even if I have to work line a donkey?

[Occam Bandage]

26. Grad school. nt

[Vincardog]

27. Where do I apply

[Occam Bandage]

25. So they're overworked and undercompensated, and making too much money in great jobs.

Who needs intellectual consistency when we can blame foreigners for our problems?