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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 08:51 PM
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TNR Trashes Air America in Front Page Article!
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 08:52 PM by Chicago Democrat
DAILY EXPRESS
All Talk
by Jason Zengerle


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It probably doesn't bode well for a purportedly enjoyable radio show when its most entertaining segment is one featuring Al Gore. But that was the case on the maiden voyage of "The O'Franken Factor," the much ballyhooed liberal talk radio show, hosted by Al Franken, which, along with the much ballyhooed liberal talk radio network Air America, debuted on Wednesday. About two-and-a-half hours into the three-hour show Franken was talking with his in-studio guest Michael Moore when the former vice president called in to congratulate Franken on his new radio career. Franken, seizing the opportunity of having Moore and Gore on the show at the same time, quickly turned the conversation to the filmmaker's support of Ralph Nader in 2000. "Is there something you'd like to say to the vice president?" Franken asked Moore, clearly inviting him to apologize to Gore. But Moore declined, first telling Gore how sorry he was, not about backing Nader, but about the Supreme Court's decision--and then launching into a long, convoluted tale about how Nader had promised not to campaign in swing states and once Nader broke that promise Moore himself went to Florida and urged Floridians to vote for Gore even though Moore told them he still planned to vote for Nader in New York. When Franken pointed out that this wasn't much of an apology, Moore asked Gore, "How do you feel about what I'm saying?" Gore replied with exasperation, "What are you saying?"

And that was probably the highlight of the show. The other two hours and fifty-five minutes consisted of a lot of unenlightening back and forth about current events between Franken and his sidekick, Minnesota Public Radio veteran Katherine Lanpher; a long and desultory interview with 9/11 Commission member Bob Kerrey; and an initially funny but, after continuous flogging over the course of three hours, eventually tiresome skit about locking Ann Coulter in the radio network's green room. Throw in a mix of phone calls, some jabs at Bill O'Reilly, and a taped interview with an elderly Minnesota couple who are the parents of Franken's best friend and you have "The O'Franken Factor."

If this doesn't sound like great radio, that's because it isn't. Part of the problem with Franken's show is simply that he's sorely lacking in radio experience. Although Air America's founders proclaim their admiration for Rush Limbaugh's broadcasting skills, if not his politics, in Franken they have turned their signature show over to a broadcasting novice. (Limbaugh had been on the radio for close to two decades before he went national with his political talk show.) And, while Air America has clearly tried to offset Franken's inexperience with the radio veteran Lanpher, at times her mastery of the medium merely serves to highlight Franken's own unfamiliarity with it--like when she told him to "zip it." But this, of course, is a fixable problem. Franken will presumably get more comfortable the longer he's on the air. And, while there are some things about him that will never be entirely suitable for the medium--like his not-exactly-baritone voice--radio isn't brain science, and I'd imagine that after one month he will sound a whole lot more polished than on his first day.

But there are two other problems with "The O'Franken Factor," ones that may not be as easily surmountable as Franken's radio inexperience, and those are his personality and his politics. While Franken has had moments of extreme behavior--like when he tackled a heckler at a Howard Dean rally in New Hampshire or when he lit into Bill O'Reilly at the BookExpo America convention--he is not, generally speaking, a shouter. And as Russell Shorto noted in his very smart profile of Franken in The New York Times Magazine a few weeks ago, Franken is actually pretty moderate. Although he's obviously a very partisan Democrat, he's not, as Shorto writes, "an extreme lefty but rather a devout party man, one who says, for example, that the Democratic Leadership Council is a moral force for good."


Rest of this trash is at....

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=express&s=zengerle040104

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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 08:56 PM
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1. This from a Magazine that endorsed Liebermann and
gave us fake articles...

Ever since Michael Kinsley left TNR, has anyone else noticed how much it sucks???
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:17 AM
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17. the New Republican is a crock
Too busy pushing up Liberman and hiring liars like Kelly, Glass and Sullivan.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 08:58 PM
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2. best defense is...
... to laugh at this. and whenever someone mentions this magazine as informative and interesting, laugh at them.

eventually continual dismissal and mockery will change people's opinions. it worked for the word "liberal," it can work on poorly done scandal rag, propaganda pulpit.

be ruthless. point. laugh (loudly). sneer. make sure those who have any shred of respect for that piece of media never again does so because it brings such derision.

trust me, eventually it'd be like a pavlovian response, people who once thought well of this piece of trash will learn how worthless it is, or at least know it's so unpopular it's laughable. give no quarter.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:01 PM
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6. I used to -love- The New Republic! Now its a piece of shit.
Repugs are everywhere!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:53 PM
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14. Been more than a decade
since I found it to be a good source. Long past its heyday as a progressive outlet. Looooooong past.
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 08:59 PM
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3. What does the National Enquirer think?

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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 08:59 PM
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4. FIrst off, it's the new republic.....not exactly super friendly
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 09:17 PM by vi5
..secondly, it does concede that it is likely to get better.

Thirdly, some of what the piece said is not entirely inaccurate. I know it's not something that anyone wants to hear on these pages, but there are a lot of kinks to work out. And they will work them out. But hearing and reading what those perceived kinks are is not necessarily a bad thing, nor does it make them pieces of trash.

Again, its the new republic so i wouldn't put much into what they say. But on the other hand it should be taken for what it is worth.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:00 PM
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5. I don't care for TNR
but this isn't too bad, and it's not really trashing AirAmerica.

I agree about a potential disadvantage with Franken because of his personality and his politics, and I'm a little surprised to hear TNR say this. I would have guessed they would have trashed AirAmerica for being too extreme, and here they're saying Franken's responsibleness could hurt him.

I also agree with them that Franken is not necessarily going to be their big breakout star, I think it's more likely to be someone yet to be hired.

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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:02 PM
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7. Trash?
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 09:22 PM by LiviaOlivia
A lot of people here at DU criticized Air America's 1st day. So what.
I will dig up links if you need confirmation.

I love Air America and I've read The New Republic since 1992. And I like TNR. I don't always agree with them, but I don't always agree with all the posts at this location.

Trash is relative.

On edit: a ironic note.....Franken referred to a TNR article in the first 30 minutes of his debut show...Franken reads TNR!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x42685
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:03 PM
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8. what a moran
takes one show,with a host that`s never been a radio host, and makes his case. nothing about the rest of the air america line-up. a fuck`n moran writing for a fuck`n worthless rag
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Enjolras Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:27 PM
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9. I forget ..... What is 'TNR'?
Is that 'The New Republic', or 'The National Review'?

And what is the difference anyway?

Seriously, considering it is a TNR article, it could have been much worse. It does say that it (the concept, if not necessarily Franken's show) is likely to get better, and readily concedes that there is ample market for liberal radio. I disagree, however with their assertion that Franken's style is too analytical rather than fiery. That wouldn't appeal to dittoheads and Hannity's hooligans, but it's aimed at a very different audience, one that loves the very analytical and relatively objective NPR (and not only because it's an escape from the usual, omnipresent drone of predictably right-wing drivel)
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:29 PM
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10. TNR=The New Republic
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 09:42 PM by LiviaOlivia
The National Review was founded by William Buckley.

Go to your local bookstore/magazine store, buy some and decide for
yourself. Too many people don't read and take other people's word
for confirmation of status.







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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:12 PM
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15. Guess Some People Don't Get The Concept Of "Sarcasm"
Even though every once in a while The New Republican gives us worthwhile articles, its credibility has been stained by nonsensical articles that belie whatever ostensibly liberal position it claims, from it's favorable front-page treatment of the neo-eugenics classic The Bell Curve, to its scandal-mongering during the Lewinsky saga, to its incessant, unequivocal and CONTINUED support for an illegitmate Iraq war.

Sorry, I just don't see any merit for that magazine anymore.
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:54 AM
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16. No need to say your sorry.
Edited on Mon Apr-05-04 01:18 AM by LiviaOlivia
And I disagree with you on some points and agree with on others. Ain't
democracy lovely! I say no thanks to party line purity reading lists
and shutting down newspapers,etc.
Oh yeah let's not forget burning books we disagree with.

I WILL READ.
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evworldeditor Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:30 PM
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11. AirAmerica Should Hire Thom Hartmann
If Franken doesn't work out, I'd like to see them hire Thom Hartmann. The guy's intelligent, thoughtful and yet knows his history and his politics.

And if they really want to heat up the air waves, let them bring on that firebrand, Mike "Have I Said How Much I Hate These People" Malloy!

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laloalcaraz Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:41 PM
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12. What about Harry Shearer?
he could blow them away, but, like Al, should speak faster.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:55 PM
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13. Le Show should be on Air America! For a start...
Harry is getting old and he's busy with all the movies, and Fox work and Le Show... He'd have to chuck it all.

Radio shows are hard hard hard work.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:21 AM
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18. Hi laloalcaraz!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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AmericanErrorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:19 PM
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19. Very interesting and insightful
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AmericanErrorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:21 PM
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20. The New Republic is called "TNR"
because it has "The" in it's name, while National Review has no "The" in it's name and it is known as "NR".
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