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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:09 AM
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Al Franken Responds to Lies About Kerry
Edited on Thu Apr-08-04 09:10 AM by JPZenger
HANNITY’S LIES ABOUT KERRY, DEBUNKED by Al Franken, with Tim Bradley and Ben Wikler

"About a week ago on Hannity & Colmes, Sean Hannity spewed a litany of lies about John Kerry being a flip-flopper and tax raiser, lies that came directly from the Bush campaign. Oddly, Alan Colmes did not respond. So we will. Hannity said:

... Here’s a guy that supported gay marriage, now against it.This is a lie. Kerry’s position has always been consistent on this. I disagree with him, but Kerry has always been against gay marriage. He is for civil unions...

Here’s a guy that by my count has had six separate different unique positions on the war on Iraq.Okay. This is just stupid. Kerry’s position on Iraq has been totally consistent. Yes, he voted to authorize the president to use force against Iraq. But voted for that in order for Bush to go to the UN and get the inspectors back into Iraq, which was a genuine triumph. But, the president acted in bad faith. Here is what Kerry said about it on Face the Nation on September 14, 2003:

“The president promised he would go to war as a matter of last resort. He didn’t. The president promised he would build a coalition and work through the United Nations. He didn’t. We’re paying the price for the reckless way in which this president approached this. It’s a failure of diplomacy, and today it’s a failure of leadership.”Kerry was entirely consistent, and not only that, he was right.

Next. Here’s a guy that voted for the $87 billion to fund the war before he voted against it.This is correct, but it’s not a flip-flop. Kerry voted for an amendment to the Iraqi appropriations bill that would have paid for the $87 billion by taking it out of the tax cut for the extremely rich. That amendment lost, 57-42, because Bush insisted that the $87 billion be added to the deficit. As we discussed with Paul Krugman last week, never in the history of this country have we had tax cuts while we were at war. Not only that, but Paul Krugman told me that he has yet to find any civilization in the history of this planet that ever had a tax cut during a war.

After the amendment went down, Kerry did vote against the final $87 billion supplemental appropriation, as a protest against the way Bush got us into the war and is conducting it. But he knew that the troops would have the support, because the bill passed 87 to 12.

You can support our troops, and still protest the president. If you can’t hold those two ideas in your head, you won’t enjoy my show, and I suggest you switch over to Rush right now.

Next. Here’s a guy that was for the Patriot Act. Now against it.

Well, here’s what Kerry said:
“I voted for the Patriot Act right after September 11th – convinced that – with a sunset clause – it was the right decision to make. It clearly wasn’t a perfect bill – and it had a number of flaws – but this wasn’t the time to haggle. It was the time to act.

"But George Bush and John Ashcroft abused the spirit of national action after the terrorist attacks. They have used the Patriot Act in ways that were never intended and for reasons that have nothing to do with terrorism. That’s why, as President, I will propose new anti-terrorism laws that advance the War on Terror while ending the assault on our basic rights.”In other words, he voted for the Patriot Act after 9/11, although he objected to parts of it. Bush has abused it in ways that were never intended by Congress when it was passed. If you can’t hold that in your head, you will love Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

No Child Left Behind, for it, now against it.This is an easy one. On this one, like all the others, Kerry’s position is consistent, and principled, and Hannity’s is dishonest. Kerry voted for the bill, which the president promised to fund. The president didn’t fund it, which created unfunded mandates on states and school districts across this country. As a result, classroom sizes are getting bigger, after-school programs are being dropped, teachers are being fired, and education is getting worse. Everyone in education across this country will tell you that. No Child Left Behind is the most ironically named piece of legislation since the 1942 Japanese Family Leave Act...

Next.
The only thing he seems consistent on is that, throughout the 19 years he was in the Senate, he voted to raise taxes consistently 350 times.This is a disgraceful lie. It is a distortion of a phony statistic put out by the Bush campaign. The Bush campaign lists 350 of Kerry’s votes for, quote, “higher taxes.” Almost all of these are votes Kerry cast to leave taxes unchanged, such as a 1987 vote against a repeal of the “windfall profit” tax on oil. Taxes would have remained the same if his side had prevailed. In other words, this was a vote against an irresponsible tax cut for the rich.

Let me make a side note. We need to pay for the government. Someone’s got to pay for it. And if you cut taxes for the rich, the burden gets shifted to everyone else, or their children.

Bush’s list even includes votes that Kerry cast in favor of alternative Democratic tax cuts. On Bush’s list, there’s only one actual tax increase that Kerry voted for, which incidentally is counted twice. It’s his vote for Clinton’s 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, which raised taxes on the top 1% and cut taxes on people at the bottom, and was followed by eight years of unprecedented growth.
What does that tell us about a man that has no core values or principles?The man who has no core values or principles here is a man named Sean Hannity. And you know who came up with all these lies? The campaign of a man named George W. Bush.

Look. The reason I took the time to go over all of this is you’re going to hear this garbage repeated over, and over, and over again from now until November. And we are not going to let them do it. We are not going to let them do to John Kerry what they did to Al Gore.

Kerry is not a flip-flopper. But Bush is a liar. And his shills in the media, like Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh—they’re liars too."
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:10 AM
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1. thanks jpzengar
for posting this here too. good job.
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Daisey Mae Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:14 AM
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2. Great Post
a keeper....leave it to Al Frankin to frame it correctly and concisely...nf
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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:15 AM
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3. Hey, that's not fair...
... I want to call Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Rush Limbaugh liars too.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:37 AM
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4. Don't you love the way Franken shouts out "LIAR !!" ??
Edited on Thu Apr-08-04 09:38 AM by frankzappa
n/t

:evilgrin:
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Toronto Ron Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:38 AM
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5. Correction:
It's not Colmes, it's Colmes.
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War Pigs Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 11:13 AM
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6. You got that right. What a wimp. James Carville needs to take his place.
Somebody with some nuts, at least.:puke:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 12:12 PM
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 12:45 PM
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8. Pathetic response
Try a real rebuttle next time.
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donhakman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 03:50 PM
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9. When pigs fly we will have a Prez of the people
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quispquake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:14 PM
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10. My favorite part
"As we discussed with Paul Krugman last week, never in the history of this country have we had tax cuts while we were at war. Not only that, but Paul Krugman told me that he has yet to find any civilization in the history of this planet that ever had a tax cut during a war. "

Hadn't heard that before, but a GREAT line by Krugman!!!

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