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ThirdWorldJohn Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 09:49 AM
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Well these detainees certainly did not die by drowning
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SurfingScientist Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 09:59 AM
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1. Thanks for posting this.
Chilling and sickening. Hope those responsible will be behind bars before long.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 10:01 AM
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2. knr!~
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 10:11 AM
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3. Why do they keep saying that they don't have enough evidence
when there seems to be over whelming evidence already out there?


K&R
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 10:17 AM
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4. And yet, our M$M does not bring this up
K&R
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 10:26 AM
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5. Here's your evidence. The rest is political maneuvering and dodging. n/t
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 10:30 AM
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6. Oh, dear God, this makes my heart absolutely heavy
And to think there are Americans who think this okay? Shame on their ignorance and shame on today's media for being complicit.


Name unknown<17> Prior to September 2002 Murder conspiracy and obstruction of justice; case closed

1 Mullah Habibullah (also known as Habib Ullah), ∼30<33,41> Bagram, December 4, 2002; US Army

Dr. Ingwerson did the autopsy on December 6–8, 2002 and promptly signed a death certificate finding homicide by “Pulmonary embolism due to blunt force injury to the legs.” Defense Department issued false report of natural death and when pressed by media, issued the death certificate in May 2004. Admiral Church identified this case as one in which medical personnel may have attempted to misrepresent the circumstances of death, possibly in an effort to disguise detainee abuse. Prosecution under way.

2 Dilawar, 22<33,42> Bagram, December 10, 2002

Dr. Rouse did the autopsy on December 13, 2002; signed the preliminary copy on December 13, 2003; and did not finalize the death certificate on May 20, 2004 just before the Pentagon press conference. The autopsy attributed the death to a homicide by “Blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease.” Defense Department issued false report of natural death, and when pressed by media, issued the death certificate in May 2004. The Defense Department has issued 2 different death certificates on this person. Admiral Church identified this case as one in which medical personnel may have attempted to misrepresent the circumstances of death, possibly in an effort to disguise detainee abuse.

3 Jamal Naser<28,43> Gardez, Special Forces, March 2003

Severely beaten unregistered detainee. On September 20, 2004, the US Army confirmed that it was opening an inquiry into the death.

4 Abdul Wali<28,44> Asadadad Base, Kunar, June 21, 2003

No autopsy performed. Cursory exam in the dark by Afghan officials. Former CIA contractor and special operations soldier charged with assault by beating Mr. Wali with a flashlight.

5 Abdul Wahid<45> Bagram, November 6, 2003

Dr. Kathleen Ingwersen did the autopsy, signed, and finalized the death certificate on November 13, 2003. She concluded that he had died of a homicide from “Multiple blunt force injuries complicated by probable rhabdomyolysis .” The Pentagon released the death certificate in May 2004.

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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 10:32 AM
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7. knr! I'm sure there are more not on that list. n/t
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ThirdWorldJohn Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 10:44 AM
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8. MORE!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 11:10 AM
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9. Recommended! (I just posted something about autopsies)
Weird. Of course autopsies were done. What was I thinking.

And if this isn't definitive. Folks, I think the big boned lady is singing.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 11:13 AM
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10. Thanks for posting.
Stark.

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ThirdWorldJohn Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 11:49 AM
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11. STILL MORE!
Senate Report Links Bush to Detainee Homicides; Media Yawns

By Glenn Greenwald
December 15, 2008

The bipartisan Senate Armed Services Committee report issued on Thursday — which documents that “former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other senior U.S. officials share much of the blame for detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba” and “that Rumsfeld’s actions were ‘a direct cause of detainee abuse‘ at Guantanamo and ‘influenced and contributed to the use of abusive techniques … in Afghanistan and Iraq’” — raises an obvious and glaring question: how can it possibly be justified that the low-level Army personnel carrying out these policies at Abu Ghraib have been charged, convicted and imprisoned, while the high-level political officials and lawyers who directed and authorized these same policies remain free of any risk of prosecution? The culpability which the Report assigns for these war crimes is vast in scope and unambiguous:

The executive summary also traces the erosion of detainee treatment standards to a Feb,. 7, 2002, memorandum signed by President George W. Bush stating that the Geneva Convention did not apply to the U.S. war with al Qaeda and that Taliban detainees were not entitled to prisoner of war status or legal protections.

“The president’s order closed off application of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, which would have afforded minimum standards for humane treatment,” the summary said.

http://rainbowwarrior2005.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/senate-report-links-bush-to-detainee-homicides-media-yawns/?referer=sphere_search
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 12:09 PM
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13. Welcome to DU
Thanks for the links. :hi:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 12:08 PM
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12. K&R
And bookmarked.

Some idiot called Momma this morning and said "Who died of torture? Name one." Thank heaven, someone else called to say who.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 12:14 PM
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14. This is unfathomable. After the first, wouldn't any decent human be sure
that care was taken than it never happen again. These murderous beatings and maulings were obviously a constant occurrence. What of the doctors doing the continued stream of autopsies? Could they not expose this then or now? I am not blaming them. I am just wondering what their options are and why they have not been called to testify to Congress and the AG.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 02:13 PM
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16. Amazing isn't it?
All excellent questions indeed.
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ThirdWorldJohn Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 12:36 PM
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15. AND STILL MORE!
Obstructed Death Investigations

Several Defense Department practices facilitate obstructing the medical evaluation of a death so that investigators are less likely to substantiate that a homicide occurred. Local commanders aborted or delayed some death investigations. At Husaybah, an unnamed prisoner made more than 20 escape attempts in 36 hours before he reportedly threw himself out of a window and died of head trauma. It is difficult to understand -- given the routine use of restraints on noncompliant prisoners -- how such a prisoner could throw himself out of a window. The camp commander delayed reporting the death. A cursory and inconclusive investigation was conducted more than a month after the body had been buried.<24> At Camp Cropper in 2003, an Iraq prison where many detainees were abused, 2 investigations were locally closed without autopsies.<25> In one, a prisoner being treated for chest pain "fell out of bed and struck his head. A CAT scan showed intra cranial trauma and signs of prior head injuries." Another detainee was found "unresponsive by guards"; the body did not exhibit any signs of abuse or foul play.

It is highly likely that investigators failed to substantiate homicides of ghost detainees. Mr. Hadi Abdul Hussain Hasson was a ghost detainee at Camp Bucca in Iraq. He was captured on an unknown date in the spring of 2003. US Army investigators learned of his death on July 27, 2004. The investigator wryly notes, "Due to inadequate record keeping, this office could only estimate the Mr. Hasson possibly died between April-Sept 03." Mr. Hasson's name was not found on the camp roster, military intelligence notes, medical records, or autopsy reports. The US Army death homicide investigation was ""unsubstantiated," but the investigation file contains a note, "Preliminary investigation has revealed the following detainees have alleged they were abused while in Coalition custody . . . Hussain Hasson.<26>" Nasrat Mohammad "Amer" Abed al-Latif disappeared after being taken into custody. The 23-year-old Iraqi physics student was shot during a raid on his house by plain-clothed armed men who appeared to be US nationals. His father and 2 brothers were detained for 5 days. Soldiers told the family that they had taken the injured Amer to a medical facility where he had died and that his body would be returned to them. His body and records of his care have disappeared.<27> Jamal Naseer was picked up by US Special Forces in Afghanistan in March 2003. He was held in a small, overcrowded detention cell at Gardez, a facility that did not register its prisoners and which was closed to Red Cross monitors. No medical personnel visited Naseer during the 17 days that he was held and beaten. Men arrested with Mr. Naseer were beaten, kicked, whipped, slammed against the wall, and immersed in cold water. Their toenails either fell off or were torn off. Eyewitnesses report that Mr. Naseer suddenly fell to the ground, seized, and died. He was bleeding from his ear. The clinical history suggests that he died of a basilar skull fracture, an injury caused by severe head trauma with a hard object. His death was not mentioned in the Pentagon's updated list of 39 detainee deaths in July 2004. The Pentagon claims that it did not know of this case until a human rights organization, the Crimes of War Project, informed them of the matter. Six months after he died, the US Army announced that it was opening an inquiry.<28>

"Rendition" is the practice of transporting prisoners to countries that practice torture for interrogation and imprisonment. It is against US law and the Geneva Convention. There is no account of the fates of the several hundreds of persons who have been tortured during this practice.<29> The United States bears responsibility for homicides of these prisoners.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/507284_8

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One wonders of the number of GHOST DETAINEES that were murdered also.
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