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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 12:49 AM
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America Is Stupidly Shutting Out Immigrants. Isn’t It?
Source: By Katie Baker | NEWSWEEK

America Is Stupidly Shutting Out Immigrants. Isn’t It?

Ever since 9/11, the general perception has been that America is over-building walls—both real and regulatory—to keep out immigrants. Horror stories about Indian engineers getting strip-searched as suspected terrorists provoked business leaders like Bill Gates to argue that the U.S. is scaring away talent, to its own disadvantage. Now the storyline has shifted, to focus on immigrants who are voluntarily leaving or avoiding America because the global financial crisis has tarnished its reputation as a land of growth and opportunity.

But the numbers tell a different story. According to a recent study by the Migration Policy Institute (MPI), total migration flows have been steady throughout the current decade, despite tighter background checks and interior crackdowns following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and despite the slowdown of the economy starting in 2007. Every year since 2000, the U.S. has attracted more than 1 million legal immigrants, including more than 1.1 million last year, and another half million illegal migrants. The walls are not as high as we thought.

American immigration may not be as crudely self-defeating as critics suggest. The MPI examination of census data looks at where immigrants come from and found that migration from Europe is down slightly since 2000 and that migration from Latin America has slowed since 2007. But the population hailing from Asia, the continent contributing most to the competitiveness of Silicon Valley, has been rising at an average annual pace of roughly 25 percent, or about 250,000 newcomers in 2008. The Asian arrivals appear to be undeterred by America's faltering economy. While other studies have argued that immigration has slowed with the economy since 2007, MPI president Demetrios Papademetriou says that's not likely: "Nothing's changed in terms of legal, permanent immigration." He also notes that, historically, recessions rarely deter immigrants, particularly legal immigrants. And most Asian immigrants to the U.S. are legal.

Migrants from Latin America are more often illegal, but the crisis has not produced an exodus. According to the Pew Hispanic Center


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interesting - I guessing the wall of the southern boarder has had no effect on the flow from the south
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 12:55 AM
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1. Where I live, it's like the United Nations.
I have immigrant neighbors from everywhere.

Years and years ago, it looked like Beaver Cleaver's neighborhood.

I like the change, myself.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 01:16 AM
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3. Spot on- same here
Edited on Sat Apr-25-09 01:21 AM by depakid
Right on the urban growth boundary, yet within easy bike riding distance are:

Outstanding taqueria's, Salvedoreno's and Latino markets (including hard to find Peruvian foods)- Indian markets and restaurants, several Philipino markets, Thai and Vietnamese markets- a HUGE pan Asian supermarket, an Ethiopian market- a Russian and Eastern European market, a Dutch market, a Middle Eastern and Persian market with a Halal butcher.

and also local fresh produce and farmers markets- along with higher end places like Whole Foods and New Seasons, where you can get great cheeses and olives from around the world.

That much diversity all so close together is one of the things I'll miss most.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 01:38 AM
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6. Are you moving? Hopefully your new neighborhood will have some juice, too!
A PERSIAN market!!! Lucky you! Gee, you can get ghormeh sabzi in the can!!! It's not quite as good as the homemeade stuff, but it's got the basic flavor!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 01:58 AM
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7. The Persian market's great-
Edited on Sat Apr-25-09 02:21 AM by depakid
All the stuff there to make ghormeh sabzi and fessengen from scratch. They probably have the cans, too. It's big place- and there's tons of stuff you just have to ask about. The people that run all the markets are really cool, and love to talk.

One of the filipino places has these nasty deals called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balut_(egg)">balut. The owner won't eat it- but some people do. And like you said- 15 years ago, there was NONE of this. Just a boring semi-rural, semi-suburb west of Portland.

New digs is also surprisingly multi-cultural European, Greek, Turkish, Southeast Asian and Indian but no Hispanic foods or markets at all. Actually, there is one joke of a Mexican place. They brought out some bright red concoction purported to be salsa. Like Old El Paso stuff from a jar. The meals on the plates looked to be similar abominations- so I got the mango chicken instead!

People really don't appreciate how cool Mexican, Central American and Peruvian food and culture is (and the people are)- until it's not around.

Working on some angles to take care of that...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 02:02 AM
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8. Balut I know all too well.
I had the honor of being the "defense counsel" in my younger years for a number of new Navy chiefs. This was back before they changed the ceremony to be something serious and solemn...it used to be dangerous, crude and a bit debauched. Balut was ALWAYS part of the initiation ceremony. So was vomit, as you can imagine!

Good luck on your living situation. Nothing like a good neighborhood to mitigate the worst of times.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 02:16 AM
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9. Hard to beat fine, diverse neighborhoods
Sad that so many seem not to get how cool that is.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 12:56 AM
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2. corporate america loves their new lower wage replacement workforce; here and there.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 01:21 AM
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4. Nail, meet hammer. nt
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 01:30 AM
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5. Zackly. nt
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 02:22 AM
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10. Damn straight.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 02:23 AM
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11. It isn't immigrants getting shut out, it is people who just want to visit
Our firm has employees all over the US and it has literally been easier for us to secure L-1 visas for some of them than it was for them to bring their kids to Disneyland.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 04:14 AM
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12. The L-1 employees' spouses and dependent minors get L-2 visas.
Don't L-1 visa holders usually bring their families with them to the US on L-2 visas?
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 03:23 PM
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13. yes
The point is that for residents of many countries it is easier to get a work visa than a tourist visa. The changes that came out of 9/11 had little impact on immigration, but has made it very difficult for people visting for business or pleasure, the hassle and abuse is unbelievable if you don't happen to live in a visa-waiver country.
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