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ThirdWorldJohn Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 10:18 AM
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Obama bows to the corruption or like breaking the law is allowed because politics is so important
Edited on Sat Jul-11-09 10:32 AM by ThirdWorldJohn
"If crimes have been committed, they should be investigated," he said. But he quickly added, "I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of the Republicans as a partisan witch hunt, because I think we've got too many problems to solve."


So Obama bows to a perceived delusional perception of the Republican party because that is more important than the rule of law or his vows of office.

"Witch hunt" - What a clever mis-characterization for a legal judicial process. And Obama conveniently offers it to the Republicans. It is kind of like a plan being put into action to circumvent the judicial system and it is not by a Republican but by a Democrat. WOW.

First he makes it appear that "his first term would be consumed" - as if there is no factual justification to investigate The bush regime that tried to justify a war crime - namely torture and worse that the investigation would be more of trying to find hard to find evidence that crimes (a war crime - torture) were committed by Bush and his regime and then he uses the excuse that the Republicans would perceive the investigation of crimes as a "witch hunt." Obama uses the term "witch hunt" as if it is a valid argument when it is, at the least, merely a self made excuse for inaction, and at the worst, a violation of Obama's oath of office.

Gee whillickers fellows, you really have to hand it to the new president. Not only has he made the argument that he has chosen to look away from his duties as president but he has tried to make it appear that the rule of law and the judicial search and attempts at justice can be foregone because it shows he wants to appear as a bi-partisan President. LOL - or I suppose it could show that his excuses are just a corruption of the office that is passed on from one prez to the next.

Much like when Ford pardoned Nixon. Justice is too hard for the great corrupt country called the USA. Ford called it an end to the long national nightmare of Watergate. Now we have Obama trying to end a "perceived witch hunt" to appease the Republicans and his duties as president are secondary.

Oh well such is the way of the politics of the USA and those who agree are fine with the process. But those people who have a loftier approach to truth justice do not consider this pandering as the American way. We consider it as an abomination that our country's system of justice can not prosecute the evil doers as they hide in plain sight on the lawn of the White House as they commit their crimes and after they are shown to be the villains they are.

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I know I will get flamed here for what I have written. And i know that this piece will be umrec'ed for my point of view in this matter. But I ask you to not attack me but please attack the content of my message.

And I here and now would like to take the sole responsibility for the Admins of this site enabling the unrec button merely for my actions on this board. I and I alone should be looked on as the reason for the unrec. For one can see plainly that there are people that would want to allow an out for what they do not want to take responsibility for and and they then connive to create a machination that does the deed by the hand of others - or by placing the responsibility to side step an issue they put the ability on others. This would be to allow and be a justification for their own inaction in a matter. It is also called political maneuvering at times.

So if the unrec is to be used then fine. I would hope that those who use it would have the courage to post a reply to this article.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 10:24 AM
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1. K & R
not holding them accountable means for sure it will all happen again - if it ever stopped
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 10:29 AM
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2. How about ignoring his use of dark side spiritual power.
And have justice look at his actions. If they are illegal, just like every other person, he should be tried for them.

Whether Bush and his Administration are witches or not, does not seem to enter into viewing his actions from the lens of the best justice within systems of law.

However he seems to be worried of the presentation of the issue. But he has the ability to show an accurate representation, in the form of much evidence.

However I do understand taking care of the people first, then taking care of justice for possible criminals at a later date.
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ThirdWorldJohn Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 10:41 AM
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4. I would think that pursuing justice and committing to the rule of law is the same as taking care of
people first. There are fundamental tenets that this country were founded on. Truth - Justice and the American way are not just words found in the Superman comic books.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 01:05 PM
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10. I agree with you, and it may be possible to multitask on the issue.
I also agree that every day criminals, if they are guilty, are free without prosecution is a terrible event, and hurts the entire notion of justice in a country.

I would say anyone that gives an indication that there will not be prosecutions would be wrong, but a thoughtful advancement to those prosecutions makes sense.
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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 10:29 AM
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3. I agree with a lot of your post
I'm an Obama supporter, and remain convinced he was the better of the choices we had in November. Furthermore, a random number generator would have been better than what we had.

However, I still await the promised transparency, accountability (for the current and former administration) and public debate we were promised.

While Obama better embodies my social/political beliefs than anyone in the Republican Party, I do not believe in a double standard of accountability for him and for his predecessor.

I hope he's listening!
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 10:52 AM
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5. A great big ol' K&R
Obama's dedication to honoring "bipartisanship" over honoring the LAW is appalling. I'm at the point now where the sight of Obama's smiling face makes me just about as sick as the sight of Bush's smiling face. They are both nothing but establishment tools.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:43 AM
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6. knr - David Swanson wrote a great piece based on this interview
which appeared at the link below.

IF crimes had been commited - warrantless wiretapping???


Obama would ask his AG to "immediately review" potential of crimes in Bush White House
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Barack_on_torture.html


At DU the headline of that article was posted and most people were elated, but if you read between the lines it was not a reason to celebrate IMHO.

snip>>

"...So this is an area where I would want to exercise judgment -- I would want to find out directly from my Attorney General -- having pursued, having looked at what's out there right now -- are there possibilities of genuine crimes as opposed to really bad policies. And I think it's important-- one of the things we've got to figure out in our political culture generally is distinguishing betyween really dumb policies and policies that rise to the level of criminal activity. You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I've said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances..."




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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:44 AM
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8. And rec #5 ...again n/t
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 03:38 PM
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19. Oh cut the bull Obama.........we the people , have had enough!
bullshit is bullshit.........Obama plans to keep the illegal wiretapping and he has no damn intention of holding anyone accountable! End of story..can you say NWO????????



Stunning al-Haramain Filing Shames Obama; Shows Duplicity Of Officials

By: bmaz Thursday July 9, 2009 12:35 pm http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com /

In early June, a critical hearing was held in front of Judge Vaughn Walker in the al-Haramain warrantless wiretapping case. As a result of that hearing, Judge Walker entered an order commanding the attorney for plaintiffs al-Haramain et. al to file a motion for summary judgement. Hot off the press, the motion was filed minutes ago, and it is a stunning demonstration of just how disingenuous and two faced President Obama and his administration have been on the seminal issues of warrantless wiretapping, protection of Constitutional rights, transparency and accountability.

The first words in the main body of the motion are a stark reminder to President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder of the very words and promises they have spoken in the past on the issue of illegal wiretapping:

“Warrantless surveillance of American citizens, in defiance of FISA, is unlawful and unconstitutional.”
President Barack Obama, December 20, 2007

“We owe the American people a reckoning.”
Attorney General Eric Holder, June 13, 2008


Apparently those words only were operative during the election, because that sure is not what Obama and Holder are saying and doing now. Instead, in pretty much as big of a Constitutional about face as is imaginable, Obama has decided to turn his back on his words and promises and throw his lot in with Bush and Cheney by asserting state secrets to protect the government from inquiry and accountability on its illegal and unconstitutional acts. It is not radical left wing bloggers saying that, it is distinguished US Senator Russell Feingold:


Of State Secrets, he said the Administration's repeated assertion of State Secrets in litigation was reminiscent of the Bush Administration. He alluded to the cases before Vaughn Walker, and complained that the invocation of State Secrets would prevent Americans from finding out what really went on with the warrantless wiretap program

Senator Feingold is exactly right in his quote.



read the rest at Emptywheel's blog........




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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 04:39 PM
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27. What's that saying - Watch what I do, not what I say... n/t
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:43 AM
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7. i cant even watch him any more till he starts doing something..
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 12:48 PM
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9. Haven't you noticed yet? ANYTHING negative of Obama is unrecommended.
Edited on Sat Jul-11-09 12:51 PM by earth mom
Check out GD-P if you don't believe me.

This is what I spoke of in my OP that got trashed all to hell.

The unrec feature will hide any negative or truthful thing that is posted about Obama and put a lot of bullshit threads on the greatest page instead.

Good luck with this thread-it is worthy of the greatest page-the old greatest page that is, not the sham it is now.

p.s. This thread belongs in GD, not editorials. You should move it because it will get more views and support in GD.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 01:06 PM
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11. Tyranny of the Majority....
..and NO, thats NOT "democratic".
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 01:18 PM
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12. Exactly. It's all about control and that's why they fought so hard for the unrec feature.
They aren't fooling anyone.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 03:21 PM
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17. The absolute perfect description for this new 'unrecommended feature' - did Rove join DU
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ThirdWorldJohn Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 01:34 PM
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13. p.s. This thread belongs in GD, not editorials. You should move it because it will get more views
Great that sounds good to me. Please tell me how to do that.

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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 03:20 PM
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16. It's pathetic. DU as a Obama cheerleading site is a sad sight indeed

Obama is expanding the very Bush era policies we elected him to reverse.

He is a corporatist in the very worst sense of the word.

However, many here seem him as a celebrity instead of a politician to be held to account.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:13 PM
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26. Yes, and it is sickening to see on a site that is supposed to uphold democratic and liberal ideals.
I see no difference between the groupies here on DU and freeperville.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:19 AM
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25. Um, this is solidly on Greatest.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 03:04 PM
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14. In other words, the President will overlook the crimes of the previous administration
because it might contribute to a lack of bipartisanship.

WHAT FUCKING BIPARTISANSHIP???!!!

Recommend highly.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 03:18 PM
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15. The unrecommend will be used by those who don't have the courage to face truth

They want a hero.

They don't have one. They will find out sooner or later.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 03:28 PM
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18. I am surprised...
...that there are so many here who can close their eyes so tightly that they cannot already see the Truth.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 05:53 PM
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20. Sanity to Obama:
Quit pretending to be the leader of the free world.
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 07:12 PM
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21. In his departure speech in Africa today, I heard Obama say
to the people of Ghana that "no one is above the law" I thought to myself, Obama your just a coward, afraid to confront your criminal predecessor but want to go around the world lecturing other countries. The jig is up it's time for you to clean up your own backyard first.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:55 PM
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24. +1
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 09:20 PM
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22. "He who does not punish evil commands it to be done"
Leonardo Da Vinci
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 10:45 PM
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23. There are a good percentage of DU'ers who agree with you - policy over politician


Your post is eloquently written.

If the American people are okay with sweeping war crimes, torture, illegal spying, and systemically dismantling constitutional protections and law, then they deserve the government they get.

Oh, that is a saying!
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