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thomhartmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:44 PM
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Obama Drinks Friedman’s Kool-Aid
Obama Drinks Friedman’s Kool-Aid
by Thom Hartmann

Our economy has gone into the toilet over the past 30 years, and President Obama and his advisors think "free trade" is the solution. Like Bill Clinton and both George Bush's, he's so enamored of it he's even recommending it to poor African nations.

Yet "free trade" is a guaranteed ticket to the poorhouse for any nation, and the evidence is overwhelming. The concept was introduced, in fact, by Henry VII, as something that England should encourage other countries to do while it maintained protectionism; a process known as the 1485 Tudor Plan that led to the rapid industrialization of England and the deeper impoverishment of its trading "partners."

With no evident irony or understanding of how South Korea went about becoming a modern economic powerhouse, on Friday, July 10, 2009, President Obama lectured the countries of Africa from Ghana, where he was visiting. As The New York Times noted ("Obama Wins More Food Aid but Presses African Nations on Corruption" by Peter Baker and Rachel Donadio) on July 11:

"Mr. Obama said that when his father came to the United States, his home country of Kenya had an economy as large as that of South Korea per capita. Today, he noted, Kenya remains impoverished and politically unstable, while South Korea has become an economic powerhouse."

In the same day's newspaper, The New York Times' lead editorial, titled "Tangled Trade Talks," repeated the essence of the mantra of its confused op-ed writer, Tom Friedman, that so-called "free trade" is the solution to a nation's economic ills.

"There are few things that could do more damage the to already battered global economy than an old-fashioned trade war," the Times wrote. "So we have been increasingly worried by the protectionist rhetoric and policies being espoused by politicians across the globe and in this country."

But South Korea did not become an "economic powerhouse" as a result of "free trade." Indeed, the exact opposite is the case.

South Korean economist Ha-Joon Chang's book Bad Samaritans describes South Korea's economic ascent in detail. In 1961, South Korea was as poor as Kenya, with an $82 per capita annual income and many obstacles to economic strength. The country's main exports were primary commodities such as tungsten, fish, and human hair for wigs.

Interestingly, some of its largest modern-day producers of technology began by producing these basic commodities. Samsung, for example, started out exporting fish, fruits and vegetables. But by throwing out "free trade" and embracing "protectionism" during the 1960s, in roughly 50 years South Korea managed to do what it took the United States 100 years and Britain 150 years to do.

This economic development of South Korea started following a military coup in 1961, where General Park Chung-Hee began South Korea's economic assent by implementing short-term plans for economic development. He instituted the Heavy and Chemical Industrialization program, and South Korea's first steel mill and modern shipyard went into production. In addition, South Korea began producing its own cars. Electronics, machinery, chemicals plants soon followed, all sponsored or subsidized by the government.

Between 1972 and 1979 the per capita income grew over 5 times. In addition, new protectionist slogans were adopted by South Korean citizens. For example, it was viewed as civic duty to report anyone caught smoking foreign cigarettes.

All money made from exports went into developing industry. South Korea enacted import bans, high tariffs and excise taxes.

In the 80's South Korea was still far from the industrialized west but it had built a solid middle class. South Korea's transformation was as if, in 40 years, to quote Chang, "Haiti had turned into Switzerland."

This transformation was accomplished through protecting fledgling industries with high tariffs and subsides, and only opening itself to global completion slowly and when ready. In addition, the government ran many of the larger industries, although private industry was allowed.

Private industry, when allowed, was monitored carefully and taken over by the state if found to be inefficient.

The government ran or tightly regulated the banks and therefore the credit. It controlled foreign exchange and used its currency reserves to import machinery and industrial imports.

On the other hand the government tightly controlled foreign investment in South Korea, and largely ignored enforcement of foreign patent laws. Korea focused on exporting basic goods to fuel and protect its ‘high-tech' industries with tariffs and subsides.

Had South Korea adopted the "free trade" policies espoused by Friedman and The New York Times, it would still be exporting fish and still have a per-capita income like Kenya's.

Another great example of this is Toyota's success with their luxury car the Lexus. Toyota has been touted by free traders as a clear example of why free trade works, mostly because of the widely cited example outlined in Thomas Freidman's book The Lexus and the Olive Tree.

But again, at a closer look, the reality is the opposite of what Friedman naively portrays in his book. In fact, Japan subsidized Toyota not only in its development but even after if failed terribly in the American markets in the late 1950's. In addition, early in Toyota's development, Japan kicked out foreign competitors like GM.

Thus, because the Japanese government financed Toyota at a loss (for roughly 20 years), built high tariff and other barriers to competitive imports, and initially subsidized exports, auto manufacturing was able to get a strong foothold and we now think of Japanese exports being synonymous with automobiles.

For about 200 years, we understood this in the United States. Had the fathers of the United States like Lincoln, Washington, Jackson or Grant applied for IMF loans, they would have been denied: All of them believed in high tariffs and a heavy control of foreign investment, and considered "free trade" to be absurd.

In 1791, Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton submitted his Report on the Subject of Manufactures to the US Congress. In it he outlined the need for our government to subsidize new industries and subsequently protect them from the international markets until they become globally competitive.

Additionally, he proposed a roadmap for American industrial development. These steps included protective tariffs on imports, import bans, subsides, export bans on selected materials, and the development of product standards.

It was this policy, followed largely for most of the history of our country with average tariffs through most of the 19th and 20th centuries of around 40 percent, which built our American industry. All three times we radically dropped tariffs – for 3 years in 1857, for nine years in 1913 (just down to 25%), and in 1987 – what followed were economic disasters, particularly for small American manufacturers.

Since Reagan blew out our tariffs in the 1980s (and Clinton kicked the door totally open with GATT, NAFTA, and the WTO), our average tariffs are now around 2-4 percent. And the predictable result has been the hemorrhaging of American manufacturing capacity to those countries that do protect their industries through high import tariffs but allow exports on the cheap – particularly China and South Korea.

If President Obama and our Congress don't soon learn the lessons Alexander Hamilton taught us in 1791, which he learned from Henry VII and were borrowed by Japan, South Korea, and China, we'll continue to see American industry slowly die. And with it will go the American middle class.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:47 PM
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1. Thanks. I hope you sent this to the prez because of your advanced
Edited on Wed Jul-15-09 12:05 AM by babylonsister
knowledge. He needs to get a clue!

Actually, I do hope you send it, and get a response. I'd like to see what he'd say to you.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 08:30 PM
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33. This is not something the poster created, but rather the words of
Thom Hartman.

Who Obama either listens to or not. Though I suspect NOT.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:51 PM
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2. kickety-kick
:kick:
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 12:03 AM
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3. HUGE K & R.
We seemed doomed to have Dem presidents who promote anything but progressive trade policies.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 12:11 AM
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4. k&r (tho it's probably already been kicked recently) n/t
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 12:36 AM
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5. Excellent column. And guess who else understands this crucial point?
Edited on Wed Jul-15-09 01:04 AM by RufusTFirefly
Why, the homely, unelectable elf, of course! Who else?

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x319571


Faux Business's Liz Claman: You don't want to get involved in protectionist behavior, do you? Or is there a fine line you can draw --

Rep. Kucinich: Oh really? Well -

Claman: Go ahead.

Kucinich: What I don't understand is: What's wrong with protecting your own country when it's in a financial crunch, when businesses are failing everywhere, where there's a cash crunch and there's not credit available? What's wrong with protecting America's ability to make cars, steel, aerospace?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 01:37 AM
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8. Yes, Dennis. That would also be my question.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 01:35 AM
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6. K&R for Thom...
Laying it out straight, as always.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 01:36 AM
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7. Friedman is an idiot.
How many times can I say it?
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 01:52 AM
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9. Tom Friedman -- Man of the People

As the July edition of the Washingtonian Magazine notes, Friedman lives in "a palatial 11,400-square-foot house, now valued at $9.3 million, on a 7½-acre parcel just blocks from I-495 and Bethesda Country Club." He "married into one of the 100 richest families in the country" - the Bucksbaums, whose real-estate Empire is valued at $2.7 billion.

Link
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 01:57 AM
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10. k/r
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 06:47 AM
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11. In other words you and Friedman disagree and Obama happens to agree with Friedman
instead of you. ie drinking the koolaid means not agreeing with you.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 08:17 AM
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16. When people's heads are buried that far down into the sand...
...it must be hard to see and hear the obvious when it's right there in front of them.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 05:55 PM
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26. Hi Tom!
Edited on Wed Jul-15-09 05:55 PM by Jim Sagle
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 06:55 AM
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12.  K and R..thanks for posting this .
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 07:53 AM
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13. K&R!
Free trade is destroying our economy, job market, middle class, etc. The american consumer should be buying american made products.

It's simple.

Invest in our own economy.

Trade with other nations fairly. This isn't done by allowing other nations to undercut us by exploiting their own workforce, environment, etc.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 07:55 AM
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14. Are you familiar with the scenes in...
...science fiction movies, where there is an impending disaster, but the government keeps quiet about it so as not to cause a panic outbreak? I think Obama knows the deal, but to come right out and say would freak out most people. We are going to have to change our way of life dramatically, if we are going to survive. That goes for the rest of the world as well. The clock is running out on our species and our country. No one wants to hear it. This is going to be very painful.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 07:20 PM
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31. You're pretty damn smart for a snake in the grass. Good points all.
One lesson politicians have learned well over the last 50 plus years is NEVER bring bad news. Always couch it in some kind of feel-good gobbledygook, mushmouth bullshit.

Unfortunately for us, President Obama is being counseled to do likewise by his advisors. If there has ever been a President who has the "gift" for telling it to us straight, intelligently, and offering hope in sacrifice, that is President O. I fear we will never hear him tell us the real truth.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 08:12 AM
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15. This is disturbing on so many levels
Thanks for posting it (I think):scared:
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 08:32 AM
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17. Much more than job loss with deindustrialization
An excellent article by Thom Hartmann! There are however, broader implications in the elimination of basic industry and that is the inevitable loss of the skill base over a long period of time.

When Obama's stimulus plan was wending its way through congress there was a brief report on NPR, I believe, that gave a summary of how stimulus money would be spent. Among the infrastructure expenditures that were mentioned was updating and modernizing the electrical grid. According to the report there was concern that we don't have enough skilled electricians to accomplish the job. Further, the report also talked about road and highway construction but there's a concern that we no longer have sufficient capacity to manufacture asphalt paving.

The shipbuilding industry, my background, has all but disappeared in the US. At last count there were 6 new construction shipyards, facilities capable of building large surface ships, left in the nation and one yard capable of building submarines. With the closure of shipyards around the nation has come the slow erosion of the skill base. Without steady employment young people are not attracted to the skilled trades apprenticeships.

A recent example is worth noting. I still have a few friends working in the industry, mostly at the state ferry maintenance yard. Several months ago there was a need for the yard to hire two apprentices and it was the conclusion of the yard manager that the most qualified person was 61 years old! By the time he finished the apprenticeship he would be eligible for retirement. As you might expect this man was discriminated against based on his age and eventually two younger men were hired but I'm told they are mediocre at best. One apprentice candidate had difficulty reading a tape measure.

Reaching back several more years I recall a longtime supplier contacting me looking for a toll and die maker. This supplier had purchased three new computer controlled tool and die machines but couldn't find anyone capable of running them even after conducting a nationwide search. At the time I knew two such people, one retired, the other working as a millwright. Neither one was interested in relocating. I don't know if the supplier ever did find someone to run the new machinery.

The decline of the shipbuilding industry has been a long, slow slide into oblivion and it began when the federal government began withdrawing subsidies for the construction of merchant vessels and shippers went overseas where Labor is cheaper. Now we're all reaping the results of shorsighted policies.

We're one generation away from losing our vital shipbuilding skills. Skills that are easily transferable to other manufacturing enterprises but they're all gone too.

Thom Hartmann is right, we need a national industrial policy and soon!
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 09:34 AM
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18. I'm not trying to be rude and I'm making the assumption that
people working on the power grid would be linemen and apprentices and they don't take kindly to being referred to as electricians and if you were to make that mistake with a lineman in person, it wouldn't be pretty. :evilgrin:

Linemen are harder to find because it's hard work and even with advancements in safety equipment, safety training, etc., it is often dangerous work, and young people don't see an advantage to doing that type of work for $28.00 (at the low end of the pay scale). Right to work laws have weakened the unions so pay and benefits concessions have been going on for a few years and it's difficult for young people to be enticed to just jump at the chance to get into that trade.

When my husband, a journeyman lineman, left a line crew (around age 45) to be the safety director where he works, his knees were shot and he has a bad shoulder, and people are supposed to work like that until they retire? Yeah, the young'uns find that idea really attractive.

I have a friend who is a machinist and he has a contract to go into a machine shop to work on the computerized machines and to teach the guys in that shop how to make parts, etc., that the machines can't do.

It seems that we are experiencing a tremendous skilled labor drain because of the short sighted 'do it on the cheap' ideas.

Belated welcome, BTW. :hi:
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 10:43 AM
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19. K&R n/t
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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 11:14 AM
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20. Big surprise
He's from Chicago, ain't he?
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 11:43 AM
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21. thanks for posting
big thom hartmann fan here. listen on wcpt in chicago.

:hi:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 01:44 PM
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22. Thank you for this.
Just so you know, Unequal protection is one of the very best books I've ever read. The only other one that comes close is The Shock Doctrine. They were both epiphanies to me.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 02:11 PM
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23. Excellent essay. Thanks. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 02:54 PM
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24. Free trade is the solution... but only when the tables are even...
The only reason we need tariffs is to maintain fairness, in essence, to compensate for the fact that foreign powers without minimum wages (etc.) can make things cheaper. Essentially through slave labor.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:50 PM
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38. Hitler said something similar: we can afford to be pacifists once everyone is Aryan
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 09:16 PM
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42. Ahh the Hitler reference... I hadn't my fill yet...
The fact is that I am arguing that those who make our products in other countries deserve to be paid a fair wage. They deserve workers' rights. PERIOD. When we don't tariff we OUTSOURCE SLAVERY. This is unacceptable. PERIOD. I take it you disagree. Good luck with that.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 04:44 PM
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25. What middle class?
Edited on Wed Jul-15-09 04:44 PM by FlyingSquirrel
Middle class persons commonly have a comfortable standard of living, significant economic security, considerable work autonomy and rely on their expertise to sustain themselves. (wiki)


That group of people? The group of people who supposedly have significant economic security, but in fact can (and do) lose everything as soon as they get sick?

Well, good article. I know you were on a specific subject and so health care didn't need to factor in there, but free trade isn't the only thing killing the middle class.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 06:03 PM
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27. K&+R
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 06:12 PM
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28. Are you the real Thom Hartmann or just a fan?

Because if your the real Thom Hartmann I'd like to say.........



:yourock:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 06:46 PM
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29. Fuck Friedman. Both Tom and Milton.
If there is one book I wish President Obama would read and take to heart, it is The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein. That's the antidote for the Kool-Aid, IMHO.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 08:34 PM
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34. Probably hard to get someone who attended the Univ. of Chicago
To go out and buy "The Shock Doctrine."

That school has brainwashed so many leaders who might otherwise have learned the real economic truths, not as complicated and "brainy" as Milton's theories, but theories that would actually return this country's economy to Main Street.

Why did the colonists, without any fancy pants degrees from anywhere, understand to a person that an economy cannot provide for the miidle class UNLESS there are locally created jobs.

Meanwhile Geithenr is off in Saudi Arabia, touting the jobless economic "recovery."

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mule_train Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 11:55 AM
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45. Milton at least had some intelectual honesty, calling H-1b a subsidy to corporations
Edited on Sat Jul-18-09 12:03 PM by mule_train
"There is no doubt," he says, "that the program is a benefit to their employers, enabling them to get workers at a lower wage, and to that extent, it is a subsidy."
From free-market thinker Friedman, those are devastating words. The H-1B program is a subsidy that distorts the job market for IT talent. (But watch for hilarious letters from libertarians explaining how Friedman, a contributor to Free Minds and Free Markets, doesn't know a free lunch when he sees one.)

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/72848/H_1B_Is_Just_Another_Gov_t._Subsidy

And Thomas Friedman isnt stupid - he understands his role as the Joseph Goebbels of our time, and performs to perfection

The role of the propagandist, is to see the the truth is attacked with lies every time it is spoken - can anyone disput that thomas fridman has done a great job?
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 06:50 PM
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30. K&R
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 07:44 PM
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32. Obama supports the fair trade law sponsored by Mike Michaud from Maine. Please end your circular
firing squad mentality, and be happy we have someone ten times better than Bush.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 10:31 PM
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35. so that negates all the shitty decisions he's made?
Do you think maybe it's that kind of ridiculously low expectations that has led to successive American administrations knowing they really don't have to fight to achieve anything for the mass of American people?
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 12:11 PM
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36. Not happy with Obama? Then go vote Republican and see how happy you are with them AGAIN.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 06:56 PM
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39. Wow. Fucking goodbye!
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 08:15 PM
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43. Good riddance !
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 12:12 PM
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37. He's been in office just 6 months, and already you're circular firesquading. DUMB !
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:19 PM
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40. He hasn't been in office for just 6 months...
he's been in office for 6 WHOLE months and still hasn't issued enough commands to steer the ship away from the oncoming iceberg.

Enough of the "he's got a secret plan and is going to save the day" bullshit. He's walking like a duck and quacking like one.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 08:20 PM
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41. But, but. He has a chess set.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 08:17 PM
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44. How nice. As I say, not happy, then go vote RePUKE and see how you'd like them back. Good Christ !
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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 01:52 AM
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46. these Dems are the new Repukes
From what I can tell, the Repukes have nobody left but crazy wacko trash, and the Dems are the new Repukes. They slid our party right out from under us.

Democrats support labor. They support strange outdated concepts such as job security, the middle class, social safety nets, open and accountable government, they work against the robber barons, with forceful protest and even their own blood when necessary. They believe in separation of church and state.

It goes on and on. If you think what you're voting for is the Democratic Party, go ahead, I hope you like the results. For the most part, I'll be voting for the same people. But more importantly, I'll be looking for any possible way to return this party to the people, or to build a viable alternative. Hopefully enough people will figure it out and lend a hand.
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 07:19 AM
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48. Simply stated, he's not Kucinich. Therefore everything Obama does is wrong.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:05 AM
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49. that's pretty simple, alright...
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 02:27 AM
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47. Briallant! Wonderful research!
"free trade" is bs, I'm disappointed & disgusted with Obama over this, he should know better. It is a rich, white man's boondoggle, it doesn't help anyone but the ones who buy up a nations' geo-wealth, like diamonds, gold, oil....oops, there's oil & rich Arabs killing Sudanese/Darfur; well it's MOSTLY a white man's boondoggle....:nopity:
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