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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 07:26 PM
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Why Single Payer could save the U.S.
None but the most obnoxiously stubborn or terminally dense could deny that the United States is in a epic level health care crisis. Especially considering the long-term prospects of decent employment and continuing levels of home ownership. The very notion is decried as "socialism," but the fact remains that the incredibly profitable insurance industry is a huge parasite sucking the life blood from our economy minute by minute and day by day. Every citizen who is driven into bankruptcy by medical bills, who is forced to default on a mortgage, or loses a job because of medical issues, is just another blip on the economic disaster radar screen. These are people who cannot, as things stand, offer anything to the overall economic engine.

People who might have a great entrepreneurial idea are held back from doing anything about it for fear of losing medical coverage for their family--easily as important as straight income when the chips are down. Even inadequate insurance is better than none at all. So people don't take that one chance that might springboard themselves and others into a real position of contributing something worthwhile to the economy.

Big corporations are also faltering, partly because of the immense burden this current system puts on them. Not only do they have to pay part of the bill for their employees coverage, they have to maintain staff members to deal with the immense bureaucracy that's been constructed by the insurance industry to make getting a straight answer all the more difficult. What's covered, what's not? Well, that's more or less decided on a case-by-case basis, isn't it? Which makes insurance one of the few things in this country that IS decided that way. And we all know the reason why is because it improves the profit margin.

And let's not even get into small businesses, who either cannot afford to offer any insurance, or are forced to offer the barest minimum because of what the premiums do to their ability to compete in the marketplace with larger companies offering the same product or service.

Americans and American businesses are paying billions of dollars a year to support a system that gives them NOTHING in return but red tape and bureaucracy and people are actually arguing that having only ONE insurer will somehow create a monolithic bureaucracy that will screw everything up? Nonsense.

We would ALL be served by taking the responsibility for health care off the employer and giving it over to the government to manage. Would-be entrepreneurs, corporate fat-cats, and small business owners alike. Not to mention the average citizen who just wants to get Johnny that operation without going so far into the hole that there isn't a ladder made tall enough to affect an escape.

No, Single Payer won't fix the economy. But, given everything else that needs to be done, it's a good first step in the right direction.

This Frankenstein's Monster of health care isn't going to ever be able to get up and walk away from the table, no matter how much electricity we pump into it. It will never be anything more than a shambling corpse given a semblance of life and just awaiting the torch-wielding villagers to put an end to its misery.

What kind of person, what kind of nation, puts the health of a parasite above its own well-being? A severely deluded one, that's for sure. The parasite is called the Insurance Industry and the cure is called Single Payer.

It doesn't get any simpler than that.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 07:28 PM
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1. I never understood why businesses weren't strongly for single-payer...
(except the insurance business, of course - I can understand why they're not.)
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iamtechus Donating Member (868 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 08:01 PM
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4. It's simple
If you control someone's access to healthcare, they are your slave.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 08:07 PM
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6. (shrug) I guess I would be surprised if that outweighed the direct costs to businesses...
of providing healthcare.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 10:54 PM
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8. Actually, that argument really doesn't make any sense...
Most U.S. corporations haven't done more than given a token amount into the health care fund of their workers, and have contributed even less than that (Wal-Mart). If it was about controlling the workers, they would've been on top of it the whole time, using it to lever themselves into the position of being able to hire and fire based on medical conditions etc...

Or so it seems to me.
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foginthemorn Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 08:27 PM
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7. I do not understand why Obama wants to mandate that businesses
pay for insurance or pay a fine. For years we have not been able to compete because of this. He had a chance to go for single payer at the start. But he bombed his opportunity.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 07:32 PM
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2. 4th rec
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 07:34 PM
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3. Single Payer is the only way IMHO K&R n/t
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 08:07 PM
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5. amen knr
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 08:07 PM by wroberts189
"The parasite is called the Insurance Industry and the cure is called Single Payer.

It doesn't get any simpler than that."
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 11:45 PM
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9. Well said - knr #22 n/t
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 11:45 PM by slipslidingaway
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 12:55 AM
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10. Awesome post, Mythsaje!
Rec!!
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 04:00 AM
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11. Thanks... Glad you liked it. n/t
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 04:56 PM
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18. Yer welcome.
Hope you weren't the one that posted the deleted reply to me on the cellphone-and-driving thread...
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 05:57 PM
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19. Nope...
I decided I'd best stay out of that one, so I didn't post anything else.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 04:21 AM
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12. Single payer is the beginning.
Post single payer is a National Health Service where everyone involved in the health care industry is an employee of the federal government and access to good health care is universal in America. May I live long enough to see it.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 04:48 AM
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13. I don't want the doctors and nurses
to be public employees and vulnerable to what civil servants are in California right now.

I want them operating independently of such things.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:10 AM
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14. Really, then I guess you want the police, firemen and
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 09:10 AM by pokercat999
military to be independent also? I could form my own little police force and "sell" my service to my neighbors.......I think that is called "the protection rackets", no? How about calling 911 and the operator asks if you have fire insurance before sending the firetruck? I guess the next time you call 911 because of a fender bender you better have your credit card at the ready to pay for that cop to investigate the accident.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 01:55 PM
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17. One has nothing to do with the other...
I don't want them to be added to the class of people who can be "downsized" by the gov needing to cut costs. You put thoughts in my head and words in my mouth based on nothing but supposition. We can't afford another several hundred thousand people whose livelihoods and efforts to help can be downsized out of existence by a budget crisis like the one we see in California.

I have no issue with private medical entities given proper oversight and a single payer system. There is no evidence that getting rid of such will have any long term benefit to our health care, and plenty of reasons to see why it might not be a good idea to do so.

I'd be happy just to GET what most industrialized countries already have...
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 12:48 PM
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15. They won't be public employees.
They will simply be paid through a different insurance entity.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 01:48 PM
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16. That's not what it said...
"Employees of the Federal Government."
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