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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 05:24 PM
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"Grass-eating" Japanese men who shun sex, don't spend money, and like taking walks
http://www.slate.com/id/2220535/pagenum/all/#p2

Ryoma Igarashi likes going for long drives through the mountains, taking photographs of Buddhist temples and exploring old neighborhoods. He's just taken up gardening, growing radishes in a planter in his apartment. Until recently, Igarashi, a 27-year-old Japanese television presenter, would have been considered effeminate, even gay. Japanese men have long been expected to live like characters on Mad Men, chasing secretaries, drinking with the boys, and splurging on watches, golf, and new cars.

Today, Igarashi has a new identity (and plenty of company among young Japanese men) as one of the soushoku danshi—literally translated, "grass-eating boys." Named for their lack of interest in sex and their preference for quieter, less competitive lives, Japan's "herbivores" are provoking a national debate about how the country's economic stagnation since the early 1990s has altered men's behavior.

Newspapers, magazines, and television shows are newly fixated on the herbivores. "Have men gotten weaker?" was one theme of a recent TV talk show. "Herbivores Aren't So Bad" is the title of a regular column on the Japanese Web site NB Online.

In this age of bromance and metrosexuals, why all the fuss? The short answer is that grass-eating men are alarming because they are the nexus between two of the biggest challenges facing Japanese society: the declining birth rate and anemic consumption. Herbivores represent an unspoken rebellion against many of the masculine, materialist values associated with Japan's 1980s bubble economy. Media Shakers, a consulting company that is a subsidiary of Dentsu, the country's largest advertising agency, estimates that 60 percent of men in their early 20s and at least 42 percent of men aged 23 to 34 consider themselves grass-eating men. Partner Agent, a Japanese dating agency, found in a survey that 61 percent of unmarried men in their 30s identified themselves as herbivores. Of the 1,000 single men in their 20s and 30s polled by Lifenet, a Japanese life-insurance company, 75 percent described themselves as grass-eating men.

Japanese companies are worried that herbivorous boys aren't the status-conscious consumers their parents once were. They love to putter around the house. According to Media Shakers' research, they are more likely to want to spend time by themselves or with close friends, more likely to shop for things to decorate their homes, and more likely to buy little luxuries than big-ticket items. They prefer vacationing in Japan to venturing abroad. They're often close to their mothers and have female friends, but they're in no rush to get married themselves, according to Maki Fukasawa, the Japanese editor and columnist who coined the term in NB Online in 2006.

Grass-eating boys' commitment phobia is not the only thing that's worrying Japanese women. Unlike earlier generations of Japanese men, they prefer not to make the first move, they like to split the bill, and they're not particularly motivated by sex. "I spent the night at one guy's house, and nothing happened—we just went to sleep!" moaned one incredulous woman on a TV program devoted to herbivores. "It's like something's missing with them," said Yoko Yatsu, a 34-year-old housewife, in an interview. "If they were more normal, they'd be more interested in women. They'd at least want to talk to women."

Shigeru Sakai of Media Shakers suggests that grass-eating men don't pursue women because they are bad at expressing themselves. He attributes their poor communication skills to the fact that many grew up without siblings in households where both parents worked. "Because they had TVs, stereos and game consoles in their bedrooms, it became more common for them to shut themselves in their rooms when they got home and communicate less with their families, which left them with poor communication skills," he wrote in an e-mail. (Japan has rarely needed its men to have sex as much as it does now. Low birth rates, combined with a lack of immigration, have caused the country's population to shrink every year since 2005.)

It may be that Japan's efforts to make the workplace more egalitarian planted the seeds for the grass-eating boys, says Fukasawa. In the wake of Japan's 1985 Equal Employment Opportunity Law, women assumed greater responsibility at work, and the balance of power between the sexes began to shift. Though there are still significant barriers to career advancement for women, a new breed of female executive who could party almost as hard as her male colleagues emerged. Office lechery, which had been socially acceptable, became stigmatized as seku hara, or sexual harassment.

But it was the bursting of Japan's bubble in the early 1990s, coupled with this shift in the social landscape, that made the old model of Japanese manhood unsustainable. Before the bubble collapsed, Japanese companies offered jobs for life. Salarymen who knew exactly where their next paycheck was coming from were more confident buying a Tiffany necklace or an expensive French dinner for their girlfriend. Now, nearly 40 percent of Japanese work in nonstaff positions with much less job security.

"When the economy was good, Japanese men had only one lifestyle choice: They joined a company after they graduated from college, got married, bought a car, and regularly replaced it with a new one," says Fukasawa. "Men today simply can't live that stereotypical 'happy' life."

Yoto Hosho, a 22-year-old college dropout who considers himself and most of his friends herbivores, believes the term describes a diverse group of men who have no desire to live up to traditional social expectations in their relationships with women, their jobs, or anything else. "We don't care at all what people think about how we live," he says.

Many of Hosho's friends spend so much time playing computer games that they prefer the company of cyber women to the real thing. And the Internet, he says, has helped make alternative lifestyles more acceptable. Hosho believes that the lines between men and women in his generation have blurred. He points to the popularity of "boys love," a genre of mangaand novels written for women about romantic relationships between men that has spawned its own line of videos, computer games, magazines, and cafes where women dress as men.

Fukasawa contends that while some grass-eating men may be gay, many are not. Nor are they metrosexuals. Rather, their behavior reflects a rejection of both the traditional Japanese definition of masculinity and what she calls the West's "commercialization" of relationships, under which men needed to be macho and purchase products to win a woman's affection. Some Western concepts, like going to dinner parties as a couple, never fit easily into Japanese culture, she says. Others never even made it into the language—the term "ladies first," for instance, is usually said in English in Japan. During Japan's bubble economy, "Japanese people had to live according to both Western standards and Japanese standards," says Fukasawa. "That trend has run its course."
Japanese women are not taking the herbivores' indifference lightly. In response to the herbivorous boys' tepidity, "carnivorous girls" are taking matters into their own hands, pursuing men more aggressively. Also known as "hunters," these women could be seen as Japan's version of America's cougars.

While many Japanese women might disagree, Fukasawa sees grass-eating boys as a positive development for Japanese society. She notes that before World War II, herbivores were more common: Novelists such as Osamu Dazai and Soseki Natsume would have been considered grass-eating boys. But in the postwar economic boom, men became increasingly macho, increasingly hungry for products to mark their personal economic progress. Young Japanese men today are choosing to have less to prove.

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I suspect they may be interested in sex but aren't as obsessed with it as the masculine role demands.

Best thing about them is that they are a marketer's nightmare. Good for them.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 05:30 PM
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1. Eat grass then don't understand why they're not interested in sex
go figure.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 05:32 PM
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2. Well, two out of four ain't bad
I don't spend money (don't have any), I like taking walks. But I don't eat grass (I smoke it--it makes those walks soo interesting), and I don't shun sex.
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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 10:28 PM
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3. GM Soy? n/t
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:39 PM
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4. I was having a similar thought.
Makes ya wonder, doesn't it...
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:59 PM
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5.  I must forward this to a Japanese friend of mine.
Edited on Mon Jul-27-09 11:59 PM by snake in the grass
He loves this stuff.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 12:06 AM
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6. They sound like sensitive new age guys
Sensitive new age guys are still pigs, but have enough taste to be able to act as if they are civilized human beings. In my experience, being a SNAG is certainly no impediment to getting laid--in fact, it helps.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 12:47 AM
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7. 'Sensitive new age guys are still pigs'
:wtf:

So I take it you believe women are better than men?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 02:57 AM
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 04:42 PM
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19. Pretty much, yeah
Edited on Tue Jul-28-09 04:43 PM by Alcibiades
At least in this regard. The article referenced the sexual excesses of macho men in Japanese culture, to which these "grass-eaters" seem to be reacting. Perhaps they are less piggish than the sake-swilling salarymen of legend, but I doubt they are monks. They may not be actively seeking a lot of sex, but I doubt they would would it down if offered.

Take, for example, John Edwards, a man with a longstanding (apparently happy, at least at one time) marriage to the mother of his children. Not a grass eater, but pretty sensitive. The line that got him to throw all that away? "You are so hot."

Men are pigs, which brings us, quite naturally, to Francis Bacon, who wrote: "Wives are young men's mistresses, companions for middle age, and old men's nurses." Today, though, even time itself has been conquered by science, so that old men, even men without prostates, can continue to pester their wives and whomever else they fancy.

We are driven by the same biological urge that perpetuates every animal species that uses sexual reproduction. The point is that we can control ourselves, but some men choose not to, as my own father did when I was three and he decided that being a family man was a drag and that he wanted to pursue the life of a free-loving bachelor.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 07:41 PM
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23. I guess it depends on the amount of swill they have to eat ;)))
Edited on Tue Jul-28-09 07:43 PM by Butch350
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 02:08 AM
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8. I've been called a herbivore
Apparently, in the US, it refers to a large, vegetable smoking animal.....



Always thought sinsemilla would fit right in to the tea ceremony....
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 06:48 AM
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10. Good for them.
It sounds as if they are finding positive identities in the post-hyper-consumption, peak population era.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 06:52 AM
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11. Good on them for not being mindless consumers, but NO SEX?
:scared:
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 06:54 AM
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12. There is too much instability to raise children.
Women want a guaranteed life. They want stability. It is nature. When the political structures dont allow stability, it is blamed on the man. Or men. The last twenty years have been harsh to men. No man can be right about anything. All men are shown as ineffectual on sitcoms and generally everywhere. Talk shows assume men are pigs. Always the cause of domestic turmoil. To be some kind of workslave, and then ridculed mercilously at home, only to pay thru the nose, when you can no longer tolerate the enforced submissive role, never held much interest for me. Oh yeah, I live in Socal. We never had a chance here.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 07:35 AM
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13. .........
:popcorn:
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 04:22 PM
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17. As a woman...
I say your post is total bs.

How do you know what women want? Maybe the hateful, defensive attitude you seem to have about women and "stability" keeps any woman from wanting to talk to you.

You can't say that all women want a "guaranteed life" (what the hell IS that, anyway?) and stability, any more than you can say that all men only want to screw everything that moves.

And plenty of men can be right about plenty of things. Just because you're not one of them doesn't mean they're rare.

Sitcoms and talk shows? Really? As a true indicator of our society? Maybe you should get out more.

You've obviously not had a good time of it, and I'm sorry for that. But your statements are just ridiculous.
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 04:36 PM
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18. Contrary to what pop culture says, there is no such thing as "women want" or "men want".
Edited on Tue Jul-28-09 04:38 PM by Cronopio
It's all just a b.s. premise designed by soulless PR hacks to engage all of our socially programmed sex role-based insecurities.

Which is precisely what the "grass eaters" are rebelling against by simply making another choice for their own lives.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 10:48 AM
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14. so i'm unclear:
do they literally eat grass? or is it some pejorative term like the U.S. equivalent of "tree-hugger"??
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 03:14 PM
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15. "Grass eater" is a mistranslation of a word that actually means "herbivore"
as opposed to "carnivore."
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 04:15 PM
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16. They seem to be blaming feminism for the existence of herbivores
I don't buy it. They also seem to imply that what is going on is bluntly, that Japanese men are turning into closet queens, which I also don't buy. If the reason is that Japanese women have turned into those revolting Girls-Gone-Wild type women, where third-wave feminism is all about flashing your boobs at Mardi Gras, then I can see why Japanese men are getting turned off with women. I see the same trend here in America. American men, for all the stereotypical idea of them as dimwitted sex fiends, are not really that interested in vulgar, sexual predator women.

If women want my attention, they can engage in interesting conversation, not get drunk, do Coyote Ugly style dancing on the bar and then flash their tits before flopping onto the floor. Doesn't appeal to me: maybe I'm a herbivore, too.
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 04:50 PM
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20. The implications in the article are interesting.
Edited on Tue Jul-28-09 04:51 PM by Cronopio
It's the counterpart to the "all emancipated women are lesbians or frigid" memes that were flying around throughout the 60's and 70's. In situations where either men or women refuse to play into their assigned roles, a whole host of neurotic rationalizations kick into gear throughout society.

I always found that women who didn't act like stereotypical women - i.e., primarily people - were more interesting, smarter, and better friends and partners. They were definitely *not* frigid.

As I mentioned in the OP, I suspect more intelligent people will discover that these "herbivores" are not frigid - they're just not interested in tactical sex or sex-as-a-means-to-sell-a-commodity.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 05:11 PM
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21. The humor of Google ads
I haven't gotten around to re-donating, so I see the ads. This thread has ads for two different online services that offer to match me up with Japanese women. :)
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 12:41 AM
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24. Thanks to my anonymous benefactor!
I swear, I didn't mention my non-donating status as a covert plea for help.... but money has been a little tight lately, so I appreciate receiving the star.

I'm just glad that I copied the URL's for those Japanese dating services while I could still see the ads. ;)
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 07:34 PM
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22. A very interesting article to me. Thank You.
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Cassius23 Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 11:59 AM
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25. This actually touches upon a big economic problem.
That being that based on the current system we have people who are conserving are actually hurting the system(and hurting it profoundly).

Let's take Yoto, mentioned in the article as an example.

In order for Yoto to survive he requires a certain amount of resources(food, water, shelter,etc). Yoto gets these resources from individuals who produce them(farmers, construction workers and so forth). It only takes a very limited amount of labor to produce what Yoto needs to live.

This means that if there was an equal exchange of labor(say Yoto is a farmer) he would work much MUCH less time than he was awake in order to get all of what he needed to survive.

This would be ok if it was a system of around 20 people who knew each other. They don't work that much collectively and spend a lot of time playing PS3 and talking about how kawaii everything is.

The problem is that it's a system of billions of people and, if a vast majority of people were like Yoto, we would only need hundreds of millions of people to feed, clothe, and shelter them all.

What would the other billions of people do? How would you determine who gets what from the people who produce? By what right do the people who are not a member of the producing population get the requirements of life from those who are a member?

But then the question is this. How do we justify producing stuff nobody needs in order for individuals to be able to get what they do need in order to live?

Yoto is a complicated man, it seems.
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