'Sovereignty or secession' movement sweeps Texas capitol

[Royal Sloan 09]

'Sovereignty or secession' movement sweeps Texas capitol
August 30, 5:05 PMMacon County Conservative ExaminerRobert Moon


Thousands of Texans poured into the capitol and other major cities across the state on Saturday to demand that their elected officials immediately deliver an ultimatum to Washington: "sovereignty or secession."

With the federal government rampantly violating their 10th Amendment rights like never before, refusing to defend their borders, and bankrupting this country with backwards leftist insanity, many Texans feel they need to draw a line in the sand.

Armed with a statewide petition to that effect, they called on their leaders to follow through on state sovereignty legislation passed earlier this year by sweeping margins. Overwhelmingly, the response from state officials has been supportive.

They have the backing of Texas Representatives Brandon Creighton, who drafted their 10th Amendment legislation (HCR 50), Leo Berman, who drafted a similar states' rights bill to protect gun rights (HB 1863), and 97 others who voted to confront non-stop federal intrusions. They also have the support of Governor Rick Perry, who signed HCR 50 into law in May

link:http://www.examiner.com/x-17412-Macon-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m8d30-Sovereignty-or-secession-movement-sweeps-Texas-capitol

The loonies are on the loose!:crazy:

Folks these people have lost, have become angry, and perhaps dangerous. Something needs to be done about this, suggestions?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. Something SHOULD be done indeed...

Take all federal property out of Texas, raze the federal buildings, grant asylum to any Texan that wants to remain with the United States, and let them seceed.

[salguine]

46. I agree but for one condition: Austin must remain part of the US. That part is

not negotiable.

KEEP AUSTIN WEIRD!

[wizstars]

49. Add another one: GWB has to leave with 'em

AND Tom Delay, Dick Armey, and those other idiots they've foisted on us...

[RT Atlanta]

2. last laugh is at them

and it couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of shitbags

and based on the comment above regarding razing all federal buildings, move NASA HQ back to FL, where it started before the "LBJ Treatment," and see how those out of work NASA employees react.

let 'em go

(edited to expand my rant & clarify title)

[Royal Sloan 09]

3. sovereignty laws

Well, what about the other 36 states that are also, looking into these same sovereignty laws, could yours be one? This is bigger than just Texas.

[sinkingfeeling]

13. Stupidity is rampant in the USA today. I like having a tiny, tiny percent of the population making

all the noise and getting all the attention.

[SharonAnn]

32. Molly Ivins said that "Texas is the national laboratory for bad government."

[twiceshy]

48. That's why .....

they have one of the best economies of all the states and are eating CA's lunch.

[BlooInBloo]

4. Houston, we have a solution....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCLz7XQOIOQ

[Royal Sloan 09]

15. thanks, very funny video

recommend, joe bob would give 9 dismember body parts and several hacked limbs. or something like that.

[madmom]

50. From reading some of the comments at this link, they seem to think

if they leave they get to keep everything they have there. Nope they don't get to keep the military installations, the federally funded school systems, the monetary system, and any number of other things they get revenue from that is really federally owned, not to mention the jobs that are created by said institutions.:nopity:

[eShirl]

5. They need to either crap or get off the crapper. n/t

[LuvNewcastle]

6. This needs to go on a little bit further.

Let the crazies run wild for a while. It's going to take something for the sane people of Texas to wake up and take their state back.

[sonias]

28. Thank you for your positive suggestion

Lots of us "sane" people in Texas. Just because our wackos are bigger - remember everything is bigger in Texas - doesn't mean we should be written off.

A lot of people on DU keep forgetting us and are so willing to punish all of us good Democrats in Texas as collateral damage.

:hi:

Sonia

[Myrina]

7. Let's help them pack.

And remind them very firmly when they have a natural disaster or any infrastructure that needs repair, that they are their own nation now and cannot rely on the US Government for help.

:evilgrin:

[T Wolf]

8. Please succeed at this secession thing, Texas. The rest of the country would be so much better off

without you.

I think that the proud tradition of your history should make this imperative. You don't need US.

You are Texas, for Christ sakes. Act like it.

[hobbit709]

10. Yeah, like there's NO loons in YOUR state.

[louis-t]

22. There's one thing that will stop them.

If Dems were to say they agree, then it would be "Obama wants to kick us out!!1!!1. Why does he hate
America???/??/@!!1!!"

[sonias]

29. Oh of course Pennsylvania is perfect right?

No crazies in PA that you should be tarred and feathered right along with right?

This "protest" was made up of 200 crazies. We're a state of 15 million people and we happen to be purple. But that's OK don't extend us a helping hand to turn blue. That would be asking too much. After all we're Texas and we can do it our own damn self. :grr:

Oh by the way this was Gallup a mere month ago.


Why bother with Texas right - who needs 34-38 more electoral college votes in 2012?


Sonia

[AllenVanAllen]

39. Texas - competitive. I like that.

It appears things are a changin' here in Texas...

Thanks for posting that sonias! :hi:

[sonias]

47. This is like the health care fight AllenVanAllen

Some "untruth" gets spread around and takes hold and before long a long of people (mostly weak minded) start to believe it because it gets repeated so often. And then you have the ones that should know better but pile on anyway just for the publicity.

Now if we only had a real Democrat running for Governor.


:hi:

Sonia

[BobTheSubgenius]

44. I couldn't agree more.

Infighting on the "left" (which is left more or less by default, but that's a whole OTHER discussion) is far more effective at weakening resolve and diluting the message than any GOP strategy could be.

[hobbit709]

9. Crock of shit article

There were not "thousands". It was barely hundreds, if you counted the people who came to see the loons and press it still wasn't "thousands"

Check out this here
http://kissmybigbluebutt.com/august2009.htm

[elehhhhna]

20. 86 idiots and a closeted psycho Governor do not a movement make.

[billh58]

26. We know that

there are still sane people left in Texas, but your State Legislature, and your Governor, are fanning the flames of secession for their own political gain, and out of their neoconservative hatred of our Federal system of government.

If we have learned anything from our history, it is that we cannot afford to ignore potential secessionists until it is too late. The run up to the Civil War did not just happen one weekend, but followed years of festering hatred for the US Constitution, and the concept of "one nation, indivisible." Much of the antebellum South still harbors a resentment of losing the Civil War (and a distrust of the "Liberal North") and it is not out of the realm of possibility that they could rekindle that sentiment among a large segment of the far-right.

[sonias]

31. Careful there Hawaii

Your state is not perfect either. The birthers don't recognize Hawaii as a real state. But they're crazy of course.

There is no such thing as a perfect state. Every one of the 50 U.S. states has a contingency of crazies. Even the bluest of states.

We thank you for your concern about making sure the crazed right wing doesn't get too powerful, but those of us in Texas can tell you it's not going to happen on our watch. The right wing zealots are losing ground - big time.

The RNC and the national wingers don't even have any respect for Perry. The guy polled like 12th place as potential presidential candidates. He's a loser and these wing nuts are losers right along with him.

Nobody is saying totally "ignore" them but don't give them too much power either. They want media attention.

Sonia

[billh58]

33. I did not mean

to imply that ANY State (or person) is perfect, and I'm not exactly sure where that came from. The fact that Texas, and the rest of the antebellum South, has "priors" relating to secession (including a very long history of resentment about the outcome of the Civil War), makes contemporary threats of secession just a little more credible. Especially when those thinly-veiled threats come from your elected representatives.

Actually, your tag line pretty much sums it up for me, and let me know how I can help you to turn Texas away from the Dark Side...;-)

[texastoast]

37. +3

:toast:

[onestepforward]

40. +4

:toast:

[AllenVanAllen]

41. + 5

:toast:

[TankLV]

55. I wish MY State of Hawaii would REGAIN it's Sovereignty, too...!!!

Don't EVER forget that a bunch of CRIMINAL WHITE REPUBLICAN BUSINESSMEN STOLE HAWAII FROM THE HAWAIIAN PEOPLE!

"Hawaiian Statehood" day is a day of MOURNING for an awful LOT of people in Hawaii - ALL government buildings - most notably Iolani Palace is draped with BLACK BUNTING as a symbol of MOURNING for the Kingdom that was STOLEN!!!

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka Aina i ka Pono!

[TankLV]

56. Hawai'i IS "perfect" - there is NO place like PARADISE!!!

you don't know what the fuck you're talking about...

[Chulanowa]

11. Funny how Texans supported not enforcing the border back when it was north of the Rio Grande

My suggestion? Let 'em rotate.

[sinkingfeeling]

12. Sure, I read there was something like 7500 people there.

[grytpype]

17. I heard it was a million.

[PDittie]

36. A billion. I saw the pictures.

And the YouToob.

[Yunomi]

14. I live in Austin,

am a news junkie (both Internet and TV)and this is the first I've heard about this. I really don't think anyone in Texas is paying much attention to these nuts. I know the Republic of Texas folks aren't real well thought of in rural areas, they just make a lot of noise and excite the media, therefore get a lot of attention.

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[Vincardog]

18. suggestions? Yes let them do it

[cascadiance]

19. Let em! We could free our country's educational textbooks from their monopolistic control!

... since just about all textbook companies are in Texas and they pretty much follow what the Texas state educational boards wants in those textbooks, which screws the rest of the country if they want to censor certain stuff, or put in creationist crap, etc.

Maybe our kids could then read about Smedley Butler in high school or college If we have more control over content outside of the state of Texas instead of folks finding out about his role in our history later in life (like I did).

[Ilsa]

21. They need to find out all of the federal money Tx would lose

when the military bases and NASA are closed.

I guess these are the dumbshits that quote Texas history incorrectly?

My home state really embarrasses.

[DBoon]

23. let 'em leave

two less republicans in the US Senate would be nice

The loss of Texas' electoral votes would ensure liberal Democrats would inhabit the White House in perpetuity

[genepool0z]

24. What to do about Texas?

Build a fence around them. Then we could finally have "border control."

[FiveGoodMen]

25. Give 'em their wish

But do not establish any trade relations with them and do not leave any weapons systems in their territory.

Texas is not worth saving.

[The Blue Flower]

27. Texas first, Florida second

It would be good for the country.

[Jester Messiah]

30. Give TX to Mexico as a gesture of friendship.

Well, "friendship", put it in quotes. More like "Your problem now, no takebacks!" :evilgrin:

[katty]

35. yes, give TX to Mexico-now who is taking FL?!

[BobTheSubgenius]

45. Cuba. Clearly.

[martymar64]

34. An independent Texas will have Los Zetas to worry about.

Once the Federal Border Patrol is gone, the TX/Mexico border will become more porous, allowing the drug cartels the opportunity to set up shop north of the Rio Grande in a big way. Texas would have a real hard time going up against the cartels and Los Zetas without raising an army immediately.

[timo]

38. typical austin knowitall

they are already here in the valley, the border patrol doesnt stop shit

[martymar64]

51. It can get worse and spread to the rest of the state

It would really suck to have to start hearing about massacres and kidnappings and beheadings and car bombings happening in San Antonio and Corpus and Austin and Dallas and Houston. The Mexican Government has their hands full attempting to deal with them there. My point is that a new independent Texas would have to come up to full speed awfully quick militarily to counter the increase in violence from the cartels that would spread without the presence of the federal government in TX, including the US Army.

As far as know-it-all, I'm not. But if you have some knowledge of the situation down in the Valley, we could all benefit from it.
Welcome!

[nolabear]

42. Yes, put that border north of Texas and leave 'em to

the Mexican drug lords.

[AllenVanAllen]

43. The article is not factual.

A thousand people, try 200. This rally got far more exposure than what it was worth. These people are an embarrassment to Perry. He's back tracking now on the whole bullshit "secession" talk he made a few months ago. These secessionists account for such a small minority. In the end, all they will achieve is to peal off a percentage of the bat-shit crazy vote from Perry.

[scarface2004]

52. like the majority of us that live here..

but weren't born here are gonna buy into such lunacy!! stop it already!!

[FreepFryer]

53. Don't allow them to secede - kick them out of the Union instead. (n/t)

[Doctor_J]

54. Between this, refusing to show the president's education address, and

replacing Thomas Jefferson with Rush Limpballs in the state's history texts,

when the fuck are we we going to start the civil war? I am fed up with these fucking traitors. If we don't do anything, in 10 years that's going to be a hell hole of ignorance, hatred, and bigotry. Either let them secede, or forcibly get them to start acting like Americans