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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:50 AM
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Bush's Third Term? You're Living It
Published on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 by TomDispatch.com

Bush's Third Term? You're Living It

by David Swanson


It sounds like the plot for the latest summer horror movie. Imagine, for a moment, that George W. Bush had been allowed a third term as president, had run and had won or stolen it, and that we were all now living (and dying) through it. With the Democrats in control of Congress but Bush still in the Oval Office, the media would certainly be talking endlessly about a mandate for bipartisanship and the importance of taking into account the concerns of Republicans. Can't you just picture it?

There's Dubya now, still rewriting laws via signing statements. Still creating and destroying laws with executive orders. And still violating laws at his whim. Imagine Bush continuing his policy of extraordinary rendition, sending prisoners off to other countries with grim interrogation reputations to be held and tortured. I can even picture him formalizing his policy of preventive detention, sprucing it up with some "due process" even as he permanently removes habeas corpus from our culture.

I picture this demonic president still swearing he doesn't torture, still insisting that he wants to close Guantanamo, but assuring his subordinates that the commander-in-chief has the power to torture "if needed," and maintaining a prison at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan that makes Guantanamo look like summer camp. I can imagine him continuing to keep secret his warrantless spying programs while protecting the corporations and government officials involved.

If Bush were in his third term, we would already have seen him propose, yet again, the largest military budget in the history of the world. We might well have seen him pretend he was including war funding in the standard budget, and then claim that one final supplemental war budget was still needed, immediately after which he would surely announce that yet another war supplemental bill would be needed down the road. And of course, he would have held onto his Secretary of Defense from his second term, Robert Gates, to run the Pentagon, keep our ongoing wars rolling along, and oversee the better part of our public budget.

Bush would undoubtedly be following through on the agreement he signed with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki for all U.S. troops to leave Iraq by the end of 2011 (except where he chose not to follow through). His generals would, in the meantime, be leaking word that the United States never intended to actually leave. He'd surely be maintaining current levels of troops in Iraq, while sending thousands more troops to Afghanistan and talking about a new "surge" there. He'd probably also be escalating the campaign he launched late in his second term to use drone aircraft to illegally and repeatedly strike into Pakistan's tribal borderlands with Afghanistan.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/09/02
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:55 AM
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1. yep... pretty freakin' close
going down the checklist:

DHS still around? Check.

TSA still harassing people at the airport? Check.

The unPATRIOTic Act and the MCA still around? Check.

The vast majority of Bush signing-statements still aruond? Check.

Still in Iraq and Afghanistan? Check.

Aside from a shift in rhetoric and his ability to make a complete sentence, I don't see a great deal of difference in the actions.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:57 AM
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2. I applaud the positive changes he _has_ made, but yeah I was looking for bigger changes too. I will
be very happy if he and the Dems on the Hill can come through with a really solid healthcare plan.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 11:15 AM
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4. I also had bigger expectations, just coming back to reality. n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 11:00 AM
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3. 'If we really were in Bush's third term, people would be far more active and outraged. '
Many progressive groups now, in fact, take their signals from the president and his team, rather than bringing the public's demands to his doorstep.

If we really were in Bush's third term, people would be far more active and outraged. There would already be a major push to really end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan/Pakistan.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/09/02

That's what David Swanson wrote towards the end of this very long piece. I doubt that the morons that comprise the bulk of DU's knee jerk unrec brigade even bothered to go to the article in the link to read it in its entirety.
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create.peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 11:22 AM
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6. knee-jerk unrec crowd, very well put, K&R. nt
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 05:52 PM
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44. Fundamentalists are notoriously intolerant of those who blaspheme their god.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 05:18 PM
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29. Combine that with Obama "dismissing" 9/11 "conspiracy theory"...
and you've got something worse than a Bush 3rd term: a Bush 3rd term that looks like it ain't.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 11:18 AM
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5. Zombie Banks on Taxpayer-Provided Life Support? Check
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 11:19 AM by Demeter
Unemployment still climbing? Check

Small business disappearing? Check

Economy in toilet and swirling down? Check

Torturers walking free and getting govt. contracts? Check

Unfortunately, truer than not.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 12:12 PM
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12. But bankers are making out like bandits!
The capitalists are doing fine while the rest of us that sell our labour continue to struggle.
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 11:27 AM
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7. it's still early, but i agree with your post.
i would feel a lot better about things if they ditched the "patriot" act and replaced this corporate health care bill with a REAL plan. and put single payer back on the table.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 01:28 PM
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16. One big difference is the stem cell research going forth
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 01:28 PM by truedelphi
But that is not something that will help the average American - it is so expensive.

Unless we get Universal Single Payer health care!!




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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:42 AM
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35. The real difference is that Cheney is no longer running the WH.
However, given the extent to which Obama is continuing Cheney's policies especially in reference to the "wars" a Bush third term minus Cheney may have been a more compassionate rule than Obama's.

IMHO the only "real" Democrat running in 08 was DK, and I have my doubts about him becoming corrupted by the system if he had been elected.

"Yes we can", is fast becoming "no we won't" and the "audacity of hope" is becoming "lost hope". Unless Obama gives up his Corporate sponsorship into the club and starts acting as the peoples advocate he will have a failed Presidency even if he "wins" a second term.

I hope I'm way off base, I hope today Obama will start actions that will prove he is "for the people", but I'm not holding my breath.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 11:29 AM
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8. What a laugh. nt
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 11:39 AM
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9. k&r for the truth, however ugly and depressing. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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biermeister Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 11:56 AM
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10. my koolaid is starting to taste funny?!?! nt
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 12:11 PM
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11. oh well... we are stuck with him for three more years
actually next year we won`t have to worry--the house will have a repub majority and the democrats in the senate will not be able to pass anything. that will stop obama from doing anything.

if only we had john and sarah....things would be so much better!
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 12:49 PM
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13. Sadly, this needs to be said.
Again and again and again.

We've been had.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 01:26 PM
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15. My line in the sand is
the health care issue.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 02:20 PM
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18. I think a lot of folks are with you n/t
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 02:53 PM
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22. I'm with you
...although, reversing Nuremberg, keeping gov't secrecy, continuing the drug war, escalating Afghanistan, and probably a few other items would serve as perfectly good lines for me as well.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 06:21 PM
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31. No Employee Free Choice Act.. No more support for any Dem ever again.
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 06:22 PM by Union Yes
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 01:10 PM
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14. k/r
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 02:02 PM
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17. Great article David Swanson!!!!!!!! and so darn true!!!!!!!!!!! eom
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 02:21 PM
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19. ...
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 02:25 PM
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21. Too true...
And that's just the "Foreign Policy" stuff.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 02:24 PM
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20. You know, I had a nightmare about this
After President Obama was elected. People following his lead on these issues, his charisma and leadership convincing people to go to places Bush could never dream of winning them over to.

I tried to hope, I tried not to be a cynic...but my un-faith in our system has been renewed.
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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 03:21 PM
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23. You have been had
and had and had. When will you start voting for Ralph Nader? Hold yer noses and vote for the bugger. Obviously you have nothing to lose. Chomsky says there is a slight difference between the two corporate parties but it is so slight you might as well just go ahead and vote for Ralph Nader. I have never understood why he is so vilified. What he says is true, isn't it?

Obama is smooth and charismatic but DANG you ain't gonna get health care or much of anything else of you go on voting for the Democratic Party.
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 04:08 PM
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24. We definitely don't need Nader. I'd be thrilled with Dean or Kucinich or Feingold or Boxer
or Gore (who won't run again I'm sure). We need Dems who have cajones not attention seekers. Chomsky is right for now but in order to regain the American people's trust we'll have to put somebody who puts the needs of Americans first.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 04:19 PM
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25. Dean or Kucinich
Possibly Feingold. Boxer has been on the wrong side on some stuff. I really wanted Al to run, but when I watched him go into politics mode on a trial balloon for the 2008 run, I started to see the same sort of hedging coming from him.

I really wish we could have been allowed Dean in 2004, but I suspect the powers that be would not have enjoyed that one bit.
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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 04:20 PM
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26. Agree
Kucinich would be wonderful. Wish we had him in Canada.
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 04:56 PM
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27. So do many of us.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:19 AM
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33. I wouldn't vote for Nader, aber...
I did and do support Kucinich. I figured this was going to happen with Obama. We'll still have to watch and wait though. Perhaps we can motivate him to do what is needed, instead of throwing our arms up in despair. I do believe that Obama's heart is in the right place.
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 04:58 PM
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28. BIG
STRREEEEEEETTCCH.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 05:48 PM
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30. Thats right! There have been changes!,,,
The stem cell research is going forward and ...umm...well we did get an organic garden at the White house :) and umm there was very little unemployment in the Bush administration ranks..and ah..ahh....oh wait...I know :) there was some information released! :) What else? .....ah ahhh umm well we are still playing chess :)
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 06:38 PM
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32. What happened to the last president...

That screwed around with the military budget, and deployment, and who fiddled around with the CIA?

You the people nor the president runs this country. WARM UP TO IT!, and you'll sleep better at night and
keep the blood pressure down.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 03:48 PM
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40. Yes, until we can deliver the democratic party to the powers of true progressives ...
Edited on Fri Sep-25-09 03:49 PM by ShortnFiery
we are destine to be ruled by corporate warmongering Neo-Liberals.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:12 AM
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34. my nightmare is that they installed this puppet to set up the real fascist for the next round
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 11:19 AM
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36. here's a good analysis by Chris Floyd: The 16th Term:
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 02:50 PM
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37. Kicking for the absolute, tragic truth of the matter
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 03:40 PM
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38. !
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 03:50 PM
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41. Oh Lord, I didn't need to see that.
Now I'm really depressed. Time to disconnect and work locally for the people around me. :(
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 03:54 PM
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42. I know what you mean.
But some around here clearly do need to see it.

The guy's not stupid enough to do this by accident.

He was never on our side.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 03:44 PM
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39. "... the largest military budget in the history of the world."
Welcome to the machine. :(
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 05:16 PM
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43. They need it
The only thing that protects globalist interest in other nations, is the threat of the United States Military.

How similar to Rome we are.
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