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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 01:04 PM
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CIA doctors face human experimentation claims
Where is the wide ranging investigation and prosecution of these criminals which justice demands? (sound of crickets)

CIA doctors face human experimentation claims

Medical ethics group says physicians monitored 'enhanced interrogation techniques' and studied their effectiveness

Ed Pilkington in New York
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 2 September 2009 18.39 BST


Doctors and psychologists the CIA employed to monitor its "enhanced interrogation" of terror suspects came close to, and may even have committed, unlawful human experimentation, a medical ethics watchdog has alleged.

Physicians for Human Rights (PHR), a non-profit group that has investigated the role of medical personnel in alleged incidents of torture at Guantánamo, Abu Ghraib, Bagram and other US detention sites, accuses doctors of being far more involved than hitherto understood.

PHR says health professionals participated at every stage in the development, implementation and legal justification of what it calls the CIA's secret "torture programme".

The American Medical Association, the largest body of physicians in the US, said it was in open dialogue with the Obama administration and other government agencies over the role of doctors. "The participation of physicians in torture and interrogation is a violation of core ethical values," it said.

The most incendiary accusation of PHR's latest report, Aiding Torture, is that doctors actively monitored the CIA's interrogation techniques with a view to determining their effectiveness, using detainees as human subjects without their consent. The report concludes that such data-gathering was "a practice that approaches unlawful experimentation".

Human experimentation without consent has been prohibited in any setting since 1947, when the Nuremberg Code, which resulted from the prosecution of Nazi doctors, set down 10 sacrosanct principles. The code states that voluntary consent of subjects is essential, and that all unnecessary physical and mental suffering should be avoided

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/02/cia-usa

Related LBN thread by kpete:

Physicians' Group Seeks Criminal Investigation of Torture Docs

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4040835
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 01:13 PM
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1. that's fuckin' sick...
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 01:44 PM
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2. ..and dare I say, very Nazi-like.
Sorry Godwin, but facts are facts.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 02:05 PM
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3. Operation Paperclip
Nothing new under the sun.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 02:51 PM
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4. naturally... where do you think the OSS and later the CIA
learned their interrogation techniques from?? Doctors in the concentration camps kept very meticulous records of their findings...
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 03:51 PM
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5. Unfortunately people like KO stress that...

any comparison to Nazis is strictly verboten, from either side of the aisle. Of course, this rule also benefits their MSM corporate masters.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 04:12 PM
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6. Just as with the torture,
it is Nazi-like. So I guess we aren't going to call it real fascism because they don't goose step and speak in German. To hell with Godwin.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 04:44 PM
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7. Budding would-be Mengeles ...
and we thought that it could never happen in the US.

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Perhaps one fitting punishment would be to imprison these "physicians" with Cheney et al and let them henceforth take over all medical care for the war criminals in chief.


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gulgi Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 05:52 PM
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8. the truth which came to the surface
Just imagine how many things are happening right now and we don't even know about it.

This article reminds me one of the books I was reading when I was very young. It was about the Russian's experiments with drugs and it's use to take advantage in cold war. It was very interesting story but sounded quite scifi.
I don't remember the name though but there was one section which should be about the aliens and it was whole censured.
It was based on the interview with ex scientist who served for the Russians and his name was obviously disguised.

Marian
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 05:59 PM
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9. Glad to recommend this one. No free pass for crimes against humanity.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:12 PM
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10. k/r
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 11:13 PM
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11. k/r
Jesus.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:19 AM
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12. Josef would be proud that we followed in his footsteps

Josef Megele (Center), 'Angel' of death


Some of the twin children he experimented upon

Again, how many values and practices of the NAZI's have we embraced.

The perpetrators, the leaders, need to be brought to justice.

Oh, right, that is 'off the table', we need to move forward ...
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