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Daveparts still Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:08 AM
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The Real Reason Van Jones was Fired
The Real Reason Van Jones was Fired
By David Glenn Cox



I hate those teaser headlines that never actually achieve what they promise so I’ll tell you up front, I don’t know why he was fired. But what I do know tells me it wasn’t for the reasons given to the public. If the White House were to fire all the staffers who had called Republicans assholes, Obama would be working alone in the White House.

Signing a petition calling for a further investigation into 9-11? Lets see, name your three favorite investigations done by the Bush Administration that you felt were done admirably and above reproach. You see, it very quickly becomes the Washington version of Clue.

Ordinarily you ignore the asshole remark and you apologize, saying that you misunderstood the full intent of the petition, and everyone goes back to work. So for Mr. Jones to get fired so quickly and so stealthily it becomes obvious that there is more to the picture than meets the eye.

Mr. Jones's efforts as co-founder of the group ColorofChange.org, which had led to the cancellation of over fifty advertisers on the Glenn Beck program, is definitely fuel for the fire. So was it Mr. Murdoch in the back alley with an innuendo? I know it wasn’t Beck himself, he’s such a spineless jellyfish I bet he walks the other way when he sees Bill O’Reilly in the hall. Weasels don’t fight, they whine to their boss. Beck has been whining about Jones and taking shots at him on his show, shots that mainly go over the heads of the attentive troglodytes in the audience.

Considering that Jones has only been in office as an advisor on “Green Jobs” for a few months you can eliminate malfeasance as he hasn’t been in office long enough to hold cocaine-fueled parties with hookers hired as day workers as was done by the Bush Forest Service employees. Nor has he been in office long enough to pass out no bid multi-million dollar contracts to companies where he has a monetary investment or family members on the payroll, as was done in the Bush administration. So if it’s not professional it must be personal, but remember this is Washington. DUIs? Forget it, too common. If it were something that mundane Jones would just step down to spend more time with his family.

For generations it was common to push people from office by threatening to expose to the public that they were gay. Today in politics that is nonsense, you can only be removed for being gay after running for office as a staunch anti-gay activist, and even then you’d be removed for being a hypocrite and not for being gay.

Skeletons in the closet perhaps? Incriminating photos maybe of Jones holding a bong and partying with Mike Tyson or walking dogs with Michael Vick? Again, this is Washington; substance abuse is as common as cracks in the sidewalk. The numbers there would be like going to a Bush cabinet meeting and asking, "Raise your hand if you dodged the draft with college deferments."

Limbaugh, two felony arrests, Cindy McCain, felony forgery and theft, but this is Washington, debauchery's playground. Any accusations like that would be met with one of ours for one of yours. So it is unlikely to be moral turpitude. Then what does Jones say in his own defense?

“They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide.” Thank you, Dr. Obvious. That is the Republican game plan from day one, so the question we need to ask is, why did it work in this case. Jones cited a “vicious smear campaign,” which points back to Fox, and maybe the skeletons are not in Mr. Jones's closet but someone higher up and Mr. Jones is just being a good soldier and falling on the grenade for a superior officer, ala Scooter Libby.

Mr. Jones has already apologized for calling Republicans assholes and regrets signing the petition. No drugs, no breach of fiduciary responsibilities, no ladies or boys accosted or deflowered, and yet Jones is out on his ass without even so much as a ride to the bus station. Considering the weekend termination and Mr. Jones's hostility, it doesn’t sound like the good soldier scenario is very likely, unless he was an unwitting good soldier and was thrown on the grenade

Indiana Representative Mike Pence, chairman of the House Republican conference, said Jones’s “extremist views and coarse rhetoric have no place in this administration or the public debate. Van Jones should resign his position and if he is unwilling to do so, the president should demand his resignation.”

That’s just plain funny. The previous administration had a vice president that told elected members to “Fuck Off” on the floor of the House, and a President that routinely shot the bird at members of the press. And this guy gets canned for a generic remark?

The White House announced his resignation in an e-mail early yesterday. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, speaking on ABC’s “This Week,” said that Obama thanked Jones for his service.

"Jones understood he was going to get in the way,” Gibbs said. Jones, the author of a 2008 book, “The Green Collar Economy,” decided “that the agenda of this president was bigger than any one individual,” said Gibbs.

This has the appearance of making a deal; the administration gets rid of Jones and his attack dogs who are starting to take chunks of real meat out of Glenn Beck’s backside and the Fox bottom line. Politics is a game but money is serious business. Could this administration have made a deal with the Fox devil? Would they be so naive as to think Fox could be trusted to make a deal where you call off your dogs and we’ll call off ours?

What other reason is left available to us? The president has been accused of palling around with terrorists and of being a communist, Hitler and Stalin, wanting to kill Grandma, and yet they now throw Jones under the bus for “getting in the way?”

It smells to high heaven, because the only real perceivable reason for Mr. Jones's termination was his lawful activity in calling for a boycott against a racist moron who preaches nitwit theories and can’t even spell the word oligarchy.

Yet now the damage is done. Was it Rahm in the Situation Room with a knife in the back? Was it Mr. Murdoch in the Boardroom with promises and candy?

Who now working on the White House staff is comfortable planning to buy a home in Washington when you watch your peers thrown to the wolves for imaginary crimes? Who then will be willing to make principled stands when you witness the nail that stood up and was immediately hammered down? Hammered down either to cover an embarrassment or just cut into chum to feed the Fox sharks.

Was it Barack in the White House with a lack of courage? Can you shake hands with the devil and not get your fingers burned? Can you lie down with dogs and not get fleas? For Jones was fired and left with his nobility intact, while the administration is left looking gamed and without a clue.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:24 AM
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1. Mr. Jones's efforts as co-founder of the group ColorofChange.org
Really? Mr. Jones was co-founder of ColorofChange.org? Really? Really? I wonder why NO ONE else has bothered to mention this.

Because it really explains why such a to-do was made about his rather insignificant comments about repukes being a$$holes! Really.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:29 AM
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3. Indeed. In my ignorance on this topic,
I had no idea about the significance of the ColorofChange connection.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:27 AM
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2. The K. The R.
As one who just hasn't been following this story very much, I found your speculations fascinating.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:34 AM
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4. Now will liberals stop giving Beck's show the highest ratings? I don't
care what anyone says. If you want Beck gone quit watching his show. His ratings are liberals waiting for his next outrageous comments. He is laughing all the way to the bank. What he is doing is very lucrative so he isn't going to stop it.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:46 AM
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5. He was not fired.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:31 AM
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6. Perhaps Jones was forced to resign because he refused to make a deal.
Perhaps Emanuel came to him saying, "Hey, Fox will give the President a pass for the next year if you will lay off of Beck. We need you to do this. If you don't, get packing." And perhaps Jones said, "Fine. I'll pack. I will not pressure ColorofChange.org to give Beck a pass because he is a threat to democracy."

And that may have been all there was to it.

:shrug:

Either way, thanks for posting this OP. It's very thought-provoking.

:dem:

-Laelth
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vinylsolution Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:52 AM
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7. Another popular black man promoting green jobs....
... obviously the fossil-fueled, racist party is very happy to see the back of Jones.






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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 01:26 PM
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8. Related VJ thread
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 03:08 PM
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9. gamed and without a clue
:thumbsup:
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nilram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 03:18 PM
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10. Wow, more mysteries than at a UFO convention. Interesting. -nt
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 03:34 PM
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11. Some RWers are pointing to another possible reason.
'A recurring theme of the speakers was the brutal violence committed by or supported by the United States government on a daily basis. "The bombs the government drops in Iraq are the bombs that blew up in New York City," said Van Jones, director of the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, who also warned against forthcoming violence by the Bush Administration. "The US cannot bomb its way out of this one. Safety at home requires justice abroad."'
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2001/09/13/1040351.php

Uttered on 9/12/2001, when, of course, we were all united in our shock and horror. Well, not entirely united.

Shades of Churchill's chickens, homeward bound in search of their roosts.

This bit of Internet flotsam was noticed on 9/5, 6:48 pm. I've been trying to find out exactly when Van Jones resigned, not that I particularly ascribe to post hoc reasoning but because his resignation prior to 7:00 pm or so would rule this out as a motivation.
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Lost Jaguar Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 03:51 PM
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12. I'm grateful to Glen Beck...
...for bringing Mr. Jones to my attention. Everything I've heard attributed to Mr. Jones I agree with. I'd like to send him a note with my compliments. Anyone got any contact info for him?
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:05 AM
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16. Very fine point. He has been lifted from obscurity. nt
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 05:03 PM
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13. So now ColorofChange is a radical group?
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:07 AM
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17. Most liberal activist groups have been labeled radical. What's new? nt
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:18 AM
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21. If you're not a Republican, you're a radical
didn't you know that?
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:23 PM
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14. Interesting
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:54 PM
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15. Interesting, well written but ...
Edited on Tue Sep-08-09 10:57 PM by autorank
In terms of Glen Beck, it implied that the WH has the ability to rein in people furious at Beck.

"This has the appearance of making a deal; the administration gets rid of Jones and his attack dogs who
are starting to take chunks of real meat out of Glenn Beck’s backside and the Fox bottom line."

Well, if firing a guy means somehow his backers are going to go quietly into the night, then this may
be right. If it is the case, why would the WH let up. They've got Murdoch on the ropes. Maybe his
finances are not so great. Drive him down for good. What would Rham do? You bet, finish the job.

This is sort of a side bet and if this author is right, good. I'll read more.

If this is not correct then I vote for - typical Democratic leaders unwilling to fight for their side.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:35 AM
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18. This op is in no way exhausting the possibilities, agreed?
Maybe colorofchange was just believed to be too scary for pig mentally challenged conservatives and once it became common knowledge Jones believed in fighting for Black America's voice, he became a liability too great for the White House?

Could there have been a conflict over the President keeping the promises he made in the election about clean energy job creation?

Could Rahm be getting rid of a potential rival? Sorry, I just can't stand him so couldn't resist.

Are the dirty energy folks getting rid of a road block?

The Republicans could just be an excuse and it may have just been convenient timing for the White House.

Unarguably the rightwingers were GIVEN a victory in taking down a powerful black man. Shameful but I believe in powerful unintended consequences in this case. Cheers for Van Jones and what he will do in the future.
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:03 AM
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19. I sure hope Van Jones was not a sacrifice for peace made by the Administration to the conservatives
It is fairly obvious that the leadership of the Republican Party comes not from the party itself, but from the right wing talking heads like Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity. It would be appalling for our Administration to offer up Van Jones in a Chamberlain like performance as an expedient way to appease the vicious right wing.

Time will yield the answer as to why Van Jones resigned without enthusiasm for the fight. I will move from appalled to flabbergasted if Van Jones suddenly starts raking in big bucks from political round table discussion appearances on the cable news channels.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:17 AM
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20. And, they wouldn't stop at Jones
they'll keep going & going until they start impeaching Obama himself.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:55 AM
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22. I'm thinking turning him loose would allow him to do greater damage....
hey he was saying what all have been thinking. I don't think we have heard the last of Van Jones. I expect the vocal level to get turned up a few notches.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:03 AM
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23. You don't account for the fact that the rules for are different.
A Republican can be guilty of any heinous act you can imagine - treating political opponents with contempt, fostering wild conspiracy theories, founding fringe advocacy groups, sexual escapades, participating in criminal activity, partaking of drugs and/or alcohol to excess, fraud, assault, embezzling public funds - and all is forgiven almost immediately.

If a Democrat even thinks of stepping out of line in any way, he makes himself a target. They people above him, the people below him and the people outside would all smell his blood & rip him to shreds at the earliest opportunity.

The old double-standard - Bush eats infant brains & gets praised for his choice of wine. Obama uses the wrong fork for his salad & the same people accuse his of trying to destroy Western Civilization.
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