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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 05:27 PM
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Do Corporations have a right to free speech, it looks like the Roberts court plans on granting it
to them.

Check out Bill MOyer's Journal from last Friday. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09042009/profile.html

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO OVERSTATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS CASE BEFORE SUPREME COURT.

IF you thought the eight lonnnnnnngg years of fascist totalitarian government under the Scalia selected Cheney Regime
was hell, YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET. You think the corporations run the government NOW?!? IF THE ROBERTS COURT GETS IT'S WAY, YOU CAN KISS YOUR DEMOCRACY GOOD-FUCKING BYE! The Roberts court wants to allow UNLIMITED CAMPAIGN SPENDING BY CORPORATIONS. This quite simply would mean the end of democracy in America.


September 4, 2009

The Supreme Court is returning early from its summer recess to consider a potential watermark case that could overturn a century of campaign finance restrictions and clear the way for unregulated spending by corporations on political campaigns. The case, Citizens United v. The Federal Election Commission, has grown from a limited question about a political documentary to a broad challenge to the government's right to restrict corporations from spending money to support or oppose political candidates.
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Citizens United v. FEC

At the center of this case is a 2008 political documentary, HILLARY: THE MOVIE, which sought to portray then presidential contender Hillary Clinton as a dangerous threat to the United States. The Federal Election Commission considered it an electioneering communication, funded by a corporation, and therefore subject to McCain-Feingold restrictions.

When the case appeared before the Supreme Court last session, in early 2009, the question was only whether HILLARY: THE MOVIE was an electioneering communication, but the case has grown in the re-argument. According to the NEW YORK TIMES' Adam Liptik, "some of the broader issues implicated by the case were only glancingly discussed in the first round of briefs, and some justices may have felt reluctant to take a major step without fuller consideration." The court asked for a re-argument, specifically as to whether the court should overrule two previous decisions that upheld the government's right to limit certain types of corporate political advocacy — the 1990 decision in Austin v. Michigan State Chamber of Commerce, which upheld a Michigan state law, and the 2003 decision in McConnell v. Federal Election Commission, which upheld McCain-Feingold.


http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09042009/profile.html


THis is a MUST SEE MOYER'S JOURNAL. SERIOUSLY, OUR DEMOCRACY DEPENDS UPON WHETHER THE ROBERTS COURT GETS THEIR WAY ON THIS.

They want to give corporations the right of freedom of speech like citizens have. This is bullshit. They also keep talking like a corporation and a union are the same. bullshit. A union has a governing board elected on a one man one vote principal. A corporate board of directors is controlled by the largest shareholders. IT is NOT based upon each shareholder haveing an equal vote. A corporation is an economic artifice given certain rights (e.g. to form contracts, and to file suits in court) of individuals FOR PURPOSE OF ENGAGING IN BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS. That does NOT mean they really are people, with inalienable rights recognized by the Constitution. They are economic machines. Machines do not have rights!

If managers, business owners want to form an organization of businessmen they can (and do) and they can engage in campaigning for candidates and issues just as unions can. That does not mean a corporation should be treated like an organization of people or like a person. A corporation is an economic machine. Arguing it has a right to free speech is bullshit.







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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 05:29 PM
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1. Roberts is the swing vote.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 05:31 PM
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2. What's going to "swing" is our democracy. call, email, raise hell or we'll be living in it.
Edited on Tue Sep-08-09 05:31 PM by JohnWxy


I don't trust Roberts. He's there to put a nice face on Fascism.


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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 05:34 PM
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3. This what you get
for having the court stacked like the pre-FDR business SCOTUS temple. And these guys are doing it with malice for corrupt connections and against Constitutional basic values.

This SHOULD be a cause for joy that the Congress would be FORCED to revisit a ruined issue, an evaded MOST necessary reform of money in politics. Anyone who thinks this will not be just impotent rage on the left and "oh well Big Business, send me the money" by everyone else for quid pro quo please step forward.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 05:35 PM
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4. I agree that this is incrediby important - k&r nt
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 06:22 PM
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5. and 22 Democratic senators voted for Roberts' confirmation
all I'm sure, in the spirit of bi-partisanship with those honorable men and women of the republican party.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 07:11 PM
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6. Corporations already own the country, lock stock and Senator. This is nothing new. All
this would do is simply make it official.
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 01:12 PM
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7. I cannot believe this hasn't been kicked to the top. This is why republicans & blue dogs don't give
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 01:13 PM by MrsCorleone
a shit! They know the multinationals will have their backs in 2010.

Once Corporate dollars = free speech, which is what this case is all about, our elections will be sold to the richest industries.

And, you thought it was bad now.

Fuckin'A, people! Kick this to the top!

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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 01:28 PM
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8. Audio of arguments heard this morning now up. Linky inside:
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:16 PM
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9. Jesus! Roberts & Scalia are fighting so hard against us all. Just finished listening to recorded
arguments.

How incredibly sickening to hear the urgency in their voices as they argue hard against us and for the "free speech" of corps and multinationals.

Pure evil.

Dear Ginsburg & Stevens: Thank you for putting up the good fight! WTG!
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