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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:37 PM
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What-ifs and Worst Cases: We Still Win (Eventually)
What if: President Obama abandons the ‘public option’?

What if: The Progressive Caucus puts up a fight for the ‘public option’, but eventually gets outnumbered, outmaneuvered, and outvoted?

What if: All of the various Democratic HCR bills stall out, get watered down, and we end up with practically nothing: A law that says everyone must purchase health insurance, a wholly inadequate fund to assist the poorest Americans in complying with that law, and a couple of mild ‘suggestions’ to the insurance industry about cost control.

What if?

We still win, eventually.

Think about it. It’s the day after President Obama signs the new law.

The Federal bureaucracy is now charged with implementing that law. Here are some scenarios:

Either 1) Everyone who doesn’t have health insurance now, because (a) They can’t afford it; and/or (b) The insurance companies kept turning them down because of their pre-existing conditions, rushes out to comply with the law;
or 2) They don’t.

Let’s start with 1), shall we? I happen to be one of the uninsured, and, funnily enough, it’s not because I prefer to squander my meager self-employment income on flat-screen teevees, trips to Jamaica, and booze. It’s because the only private insurer who would consider signing me up for a plan at all wanted $700 a month for a premium, with a $2500 deductible and a ‘lifetime cap’ of $100,000 in payout, and no prescription coverage. And (this is great, I love this--) any and all charges related to my ‘pre-existing conditions’ of asthma and seasonal depression, are not covered. However, all of this is academic since my self-employed self doesn’t make enough to pay $700 a month anyway. And no one else will cover me at all.

But hey, I’m a law-abiding citizen, so I’ll go straight along to whatever bureaucracy is in charge of figuring out exactly how much it is ‘reasonable’ for me to pay, and paying the rest of it. And I’ll fill out forms and I’ll provide my tax returns or whatever and we’ll work it out…

Or will we? Because I’m not at all sure that coverage as shitty as that would qualify under whatever definition of “insurance” they mandate, especially since virtually any health care services I might need will be disallowed based on those “pre-existing conditions” anyway. Except maybe splinting up a broken leg, and even then they might decide that if I wasn’t depressed or coughing because of my asthma I wouldn’t have tripped and busted the leg anyway, so no claim, sorry—but that’s by the way.

But let’s continue to suppose the worst case. The bureaucrats say, “Well, if that’s the only insurer who will take you, the law says, you have to be insured, so, let’s get you insured.”

Now, see, I have worked in and with various government programs most of my life, and I know how eligibility tends to be calculated and what income thresholds usually mean in terms of benefits and so forth, and I can tell you with reasonable confidence that based on all the data, they’d have a very, very, very difficult time indeed rationalizing a payment (on my part) of more than, say, $200 a month. Even that would be a stretch. I’m thinking more like $120, based on what I know about how eligibility and benefits are calculated for other programs, which would be a burden but a barely manageable one, but let’s stick with the worst case scenario. They tell me, “Two hundred bucks a month, or you’re in violation of the law, Toots.”

And like a good citizen, I meekly acquiesce. And walk out, with a $200 a month burden added to my budget, and essentially still no health care.

I’m going to assume –again, based on the worst etc.— that in order to remain a law-abiding citizen, I will now have to write a check for $200 a month to the insurance company who shall remain nameless, or, better yet, let’s give it an alias: Folksy Cobra Insurance, or FCI.

Here are three ways this can go from here:

1) I continue making my $200 a month payments to FCI for the remaining time until I am Medicare-eligible, and I do not get sick (much,) do not need to file a claim. In which case, the $2400 a year is, essentially a TAX that I am paying, because the US Government demands that I make this payment. And my money goes to FCI, PLUS an additional (let’s assume the Feds muscle themselves a discount so my total monthly premium is six hundred a month instead of seven hundred) $4800 a year that is coming out of all the other taxpayers’ pockets, PLUS the costs of administering those payments and making sure I am complying with the law, for those remaining years until I get Medicare.

2) I get sick. Very sick. And, because my illness might conceivably be related to my “pre-existing condition,” FCI tells me, ‘sorry, not covered.’ So I end up with a big fat hospital bill and have to file for bankruptcy. Plus, of course, being as how I’m self-employed I have no sick benefits and if I’m sick I can’t go out and rustle up business, so I essentially end up indigent and sick. My contingency plan, should this happen, is to stick up a bank and get sent to the Federal Pen, so the taxpayers are still on the hook—in fact, even more so, since I’ll probably still be sick or even sicker, and the corrections system will be on the hook for my medicines and doctor visits and stuff. I’ll be miserable, of course, but it will be my own fault for getting sick and having a pre-existing condition and all.

3) I try hard, but I just can’t keep up the payments to FCI. My check stops arriving. FCI, naturally, reports me to the Feds, who… what? Issue a warrant for my arrest? Put a lien on my mortgaged house? Make me sell my books and my cat and my 1993 Plymouth Duster? (That’ll get me another coupla months’ payments to FCI, sure…) So, do I have to go to court? How much does THAT cost the taxpayers? Do I get put on probation? Who pays the probation officer monitoring scofflaws like me? Ultimately, who pays the sheriff to come out and boot me out of my home and/or drag my ass off to jail? And of course, if this goes far enough, I implement my contingency plan, the bank stickup, and we’re back to the taxpayers paying my room and board and medical expenses at the Federal pen.

And these are only the costs to all the taxpayers from scenario 1): The one where me, and about FORTY MILLION OTHER AMERICANS, attempt to be good, law-abiding citizens and buy our Federally-mandated private health insurance.

Try to imagine the costs from scenario 2): The one where me, and about 40 million other Americans, decide that hell no, we are NOT gonna meekly pay what amounts to a TAX, and not even a tax that goes into the general revenue fund, but a tax that goes straight from me, the taxpayer, to a private, for-profit corporation, do not pass go, do not earn interest for the public coffers. Imagine it. Forty million of us, breaking the law.

How many empty prison beds do we have right now? How much money do we have to contract with CCA and Wackenhut to build more, and to pay local law enforcement and the courts to sentence 40 million or so of us to assemble cheap plastic crap in the prison workshop?

It’s not going to get that far.

If Congress is stupid enough to do the worst-case thing, I think it’s a foregone conclusion that within a couple of years they are going to have to do something to fix the chaos that results.

Now, they may try to twist and whine and continue rimjobbing their corporate insurance company bankrollers, but at some point, they will HAVE to do one of these things:

A: Make the insurance companies limit premiums
B: Not allow the insurance companies to deny claims based on pre-existing conditions
C: Not allow the insurance companies to deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions
D: Not allow the insurance companies to cap benefits and/or charge outrageous deductibles

And here’s the kicker, my friends: If they impose ANY of those rules on the insurance companies—ANY of them—not even all of them—

The insurance companies start to collapse like wet paper.

Seriously.

America’s insurance companies have worked themselves into a situation where their VERY EXISTENCE depends on an unsustainable business model. They can NOT continue to pay dividends to shareholders, pay inflated executive salaries, and pay the staggering administrative and marketing overhead their business model requires, if ANY of the rules change.

It may take three years, it may take ten years, but they WILL abandon the attempt to pretend they are providing any benefits at all. Many will go under altogether.


But if I can follow this worst case scenario, I am willing to bet that there are people in Congress and the Senate and the Administration who can follow it, too. And who know exactly how untenable it is.

So I am betting that we end up with something less than the worst case.

Not what we want—probably not by a long shot—but definitely better than the worst case. Some form of public option. Some form of restrictions on the insurance companies. Some attempt to preserve the status quo, but it won’t work.

It can’t. Because the core of the problem is the simple reality that what we have now is unsustainable. It is reaching its limits, both socially and economically.

What we end up with— less than the worst case, but not yet affordable, accessible health care for everyone— might make the transition to the ultimate end a little less horrific than the worst case scenario. But it, too, will only be a way station.

Because the rest of the world’s industrialized nations have already figured out all the ways of doing it better, and at some point, dragging the troglodytes and the plutocrats kicking and screaming and suicide bombing the economy to the limits of their capability, we will pick one or more of those better options and, finally, and probably not very efficiently (but more efficiently than what we have now) implement it.

What you are witnessing now is the death throes of big, for-profit health care. They are fighting for their lives, and they will take as many of us with them as they possibly can.

But ultimately, we WILL win.

confidently,
Bright
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MissPuddy Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 09:50 PM
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1. Obama threw the Progressives and the Public Option under the bus...
What reform? Mandatory insurance...a gift to corporations...BFD!
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:34 PM
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3. You didn't actually READ that post, did you. That's okay. I don't blame you. It's long.
And it has lots of big words in it.

reassuringly,
Bright
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:30 PM
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6. Very Belated Welcome to DU!



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tooeyeten Donating Member (441 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:34 PM
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2. there' s no winning without public option
insurance companies have destroyed health care, can we wait any longer?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 02:00 AM
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10. I think all the Rah Rah, let's work if we have to, if it takes twenty years
Edited on Thu Sep-10-09 02:01 AM by truedelphi
Happen to be people who are either insanely activists (24/7, nothing else in their lives to do) or maybe they are all under 35.

If you are in your early fifties, can you wait? Why would you wait twenty years? You'll get Medicare when you are Sixty five, much less than twenty years down the line. And if you really want health insurance in your fifties, it is possibly because you really need it.

Someone needs to wake up Obama as to HOW RIDICULOUS it is to go around all last year saying that Universal Single Payer is the best option, but gosh darn it, we already have a system in place so we cannot work out the best option but instead with the one we are already stuck with. I find that unbelievable.

Like if he orders a sandwich in a restaurant, and it is not a steak sandwich with mustard, but literally a shit sandwich, is he gonna work with that? What sort of lunacy is this that allows someone to make a DUMB statement like that and not get called on the rug for it?




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Old Time Pagan Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:06 PM
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4. I read your entire post
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 11:26 PM by Old Time Pagan
and you make some very good points. If anything your worse case scenario isn't really bad enough considering the fact that this economy hasn't even begun to bottom out yet, we're just on one of the up points on the "w". After the speech I received an email from President Obama's camp asking me to contact my Representative about supporting Obama's Health Plan. Here is my response to his request:

Dear President Obama,

I can not send that letter because I don't agree with you.

The root of our current problem is very simple. Health care should not and in fact can not be operated on a "for profit" basis. As you are very aware officers of publicly traded for profit corporations have a fiduciary duty, in fact a legal responsibility to maximize profits for their investors. This is completely at odds with the mission of providing quality health care to all of our citizens at a price affordable by everyone.

Until you are willing to take the bull by the horns, buck the powerful and corrupt insurance industry and bring a just, sane, and equitable health care plan to the table I regrettably will be unable to support your program.

In closing allow me to remind you that we are the ONLY industrialized nation that allows for profit health care insurance companies to exist.

Sincerely,

Me

Guess I was saying the same thing I'm just not willing to wait while millions more suffer for the sake of a very few greedy fucks.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:21 PM
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5. Well put.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:31 PM
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7. Belated Welcome to DU!



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Old Time Pagan Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 12:09 AM
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9. Thanks for the welcome
I've actually been hanging around for some time, just not much for posting. Seem like there are some good people on here and some good discussion so maybe I'll get more active and you'll see a bit more of me.

Thanks again.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 06:24 AM
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12. Enjoy! nt.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 01:30 PM
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13. That's an excellent letter
Nice & succinct and exactly what he needs to read.

This should be a generic email that DUers could inundate the White House with, IMO.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 05:38 PM
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14. That is a great response to the Obama camp.
What I find most galling about all of this is this: the man admits that he knows that Univesal Single Payer Health care is the real solution.

He went around the country just last year saying so. Then he would end that speech by saying "HOwever since we alreday have a health care system in place, we have to work with it"

I mean, WTF (pardon my language) but what is he talking about? When he was working as a community activist, if the car he and Michelle owned was falling apart, and someone said, 'Hey I can get you a different, safer car that will cost you less,' did he turn to that person and say, "Uh I already have a car, and although it is unsafe and expensive and ugley to boot, I have to sitck with it."


If we had any real media in this nation, they would havee torn him a new you know what after that remark. Yet he made that statement of lunacy his center piece. And he is now running it up a flag pole and WHY?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:50 PM
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8. Your bright tigery mind
serves you well, and I thank you for sharing it.

I see success for "security and stability of coverage, care for those not covered, and slowing the rate of cost increases" (to paraphrase the president's offensive stance, speaking in a football metaphor).

Going to score on this one.

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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 05:34 AM
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11. Readability!
I first found your post on your Journal, where it's light blue (or light grey, who knows) - spare a thought for the elders or others with less than perfect vision and make your posts actually visible.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 06:04 PM
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15. No "we" will not win
some of us will not survive the fight. Some of us will lose years of our lives, or one of our close friends, or a family member, or a home in this fight. Obama is likely to lose any chance of a second term if WE lose this round of the battle.

And the longer it goes on like this, the more people will die, be permanently disabled, or simply be ruined.
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Blue State Blues Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 06:29 PM
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16. Even in its death throes ...
a beast this big can take a long time to die, doing a great deal of damage in the process. And let's not forget, this beast has just been handed a tasty feed that will make it even bigger in the short-term.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 06:46 PM
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17. I Think You Are An Optimist
I don't think this kludge will even get to the point of you having to pay anyone. It will collapse of its internal inconsistencies, and the impossibility of doing what was purported to be the plan.

What are they going to do, put 40 million people and their dependents in penal servitude for life?

This is a perfect case for civil disobedience.
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