Ray McGovern Warns of 'Two CIAs'

[cal04]

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/091309a.html
By Brad Friedman

During my interview last week with 27-year CIA analyst Ray McGovern on the Mike Malloy Show (which I've been guest hosting all this week), the man who used to personally deliver the CIA's Presidential Daily Briefings to George Bush Sr., among other Presidents, offered an extraordinarily chilling thought --- particularly coming from someone with his background.

(snip)
In a conversation at the end of the hour (audio and transcript below), as I was trying to pin him down for an opinion on whether or not he felt it was appropriate for CIA Director Leon Panetta to have reportedly attempted to block a lawful investigation into torture and other war crimes committed by the CIA, McGovern alluded to a book about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and noted he felt it likely that both Panetta and President Obama may have reason to fear certain elements of the CIA.

"Let me just leave you with this thought," he said, "and that is that I think Panetta, and to a degree President Obama, are afraid --- I never thought I'd hear myself saying this --- I think they're afraid of the CIA."

McGovern went on to note "the stakes are very high here," in relation to Attorney General Eric Holder's recently announced investigation of the CIA now under the direction of Panetta.

"His main advisers and his senior staff are liable for prosecution for war crimes. The War Crimes statute includes very severe penalties, including capital punishment for those who, if under their custody, detainees die. And we know that at least a hundred have, so this is big stakes here."

He then recommended James W. Douglass' new book, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters.

"He makes a very very persuasive case that it was President Kennedy's, um, the animosity that built up between him and the CIA after the Bay of Pigs, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, because he was reaching out to the Russians and so forth and so on. It's a very well-researched book and his conclusion is very alarming," the long-time CIA veteran noted in what turned out to be a chilling end to our interview in which he described "two CIAs."

[yurbud]

1. Mike Ruppert pretty easily showed who the CIA's true masters are

He said the CIA is Wall Street is the illegal drug traffickers.

And then he proved it in a few simple steps.

First he showed that Most CIA directors came from Wall Street or the corporate world not intel professionals, then he gave the mainstream news sources on the largest and best-known banks in America caught laundering drug money, and in one case, buying a Mexican bank notorious for money laundering.

The part of the CIA that has to do with collecting intelligence is a more or less neutral, professional government organization.

The part that does covert ops, the Directorate of Operations, seems to be a wholly-owned subsidiary of Wall St.

Worse, to get around Church Committee reforms and government oversight, they self-fund with drug money and other means operations they don't want to answer questions to Congress about since they won't know to ask since it won't show up in a budget.

The use of private contractors for covert ops also muddies the waters.

[KoKo]

4. And, Wall St. is opening offices in DC...

An interesting article posted over in Editorials about Govt. and DC now working so closely together that the same crooks who brought down Wall St. are opening offices there... And, then of course there's "Sir" Alan Stanford who had barrels of documents shredded inbetween the time FBI was waiting to subpoena him and him turning himself in. His own airfield in Antiqua...the Govt. he practically bought and paid for. So many threads...

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As axis of power shifts, Wall Street goes to D.C.
Finance firms increasingly look south in wake of federal foray into economy


"I predict we'll maintain a presence here moving forward. We'll change the way we do business in the U.S."

So, too, for Fink, of Blackstone Group, who said much hinges on his relationship with Washington. He often has talked to White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner and his predecessor, Henry M. Paulson Jr. Fink was among the first regulators reached out to when they needed urgent advice on pricing exotic securities or predicting the global fallout from the failure of large financial firms like Lehman Brothers.

"We are going to be spending more time inside the Beltway, either by helping the government or, if we are asked, shaping policy and decisions," Fink said. "It is beholden on us on behalf of our clients to have input in Washington."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x480389

[yurbud]

7. wow, we should "beholden" their heads underwater until they stop making bubbles

[leveymg]

28. Crashing markets, corporate takeovers, regime change, all require the same skills set

Same people, same families, same power elites, over and over again. Generation after generation. For them, destroying democracies, toppling banks, looting the Treasury, it's all just another day at the office.

[defendandprotect]

35. Royalty simply morphed into corporate power . . . capitalism is a ridiculous "King-of-the-Hill" ...

system --

and it's not about competition . . . it's about killing the competition.

Elites will join together until they can knock one another off --

[defendandprotect]

34. Evidently, the Federal Education budget for schools was 50% money for CIA--!!!

JFK was right . . . . control over them has to be civilian/military --

AND, evidently CIA controls the UFO info -- classification is higher than atomic weapons!

And info denied to both Carter and Clinton!

[Jackpine Radical]

2. Hah. Got it onto the G-Page.

Every time I read this kind of stuff, I hear Niels Bohr's words in the back of my mind: "Your theory is crazy. Unfortunately, it's not crazy enough."

I assume everyone here has read Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hitman?

[Stardust]

11. I read it. Very eye-opening, discouraging, and depressing.

But what else is new?

[imdjh]

3. I deny recommending this thread. Or posting in it.

[Jackpine Radical]

23. I'll back you up on that.

I didn't see any posts by imdjh on that thread.
In fact, what thread are you talking about?
imdjh who?
Democratic Underground? What's that?

[bertman]

39. Too late, imdjh. Your fingerprints are all over the keyboard.

[AntiFascist]

5. Something is very wrong with our government....

if both the President and the Head of the CIA have to fear certain elements of the organization below them. This is truly an indication that our government must answer to powers other than the People they represent.

[KoKo]

8. +1

[Jackpine Radical]

24. I think it's been that way since at least JFK,

and J. Edgar Hoover was playing the same game as well.

[bertman]

40. Correctomundo, Jackpine Radical. Don't you know President Eisenhower was trying to

tell us what was going on in his now-famous Military-Industrial-Complex speech. It must have been a stunning and humbling moment when the President of the United States realized that he really had no control over these guys with their international ties to organized crime and their own U.S. government-sponsored secret assassination projects.

So much for "of the people, by the people, and for the people."

Hoover, on the other hand, did not have the international reach of the Dulles brothers and their cronies. Plus, the CIA, formerly OSS, got all the juicy pickings when the Nazi machine's secret operatives and methods were handed over to them and British Intelligence after WWII.

[Grinchie]

45. Consider the implications

Obama's change we can believe in turns into "Change? What Change". What could possibly wiegh that heavily that all of a sudden, everyones's playing nice, and continuing on the same path?

Well, I have a hypothesis.

What if Bush and Cheney said, yeah, we did it, we used 9/11 as a new Pearl Harbor to invade two countries and rip up the Constitution what ya going to do about it?

And here is Obama, scratches his head, and then realizes that the U.S. Would be up the creek without a paddle, and decides on the expedient path of obligatory obedience and distractionary speeches.

the U.S. would be on the hook for reparations to Afganistan, Iraq, Russia, England, Spain, France, the detainees, the tortured, that falsely imprisoned, the wounded, the displaced, along with all the lost economic opportunity buy countries that were doing business with Iraq. But guess what, the U.S. is broke, and it broke a few other economies along the way. It tainted the worlds food crops with GMO technologies, and sold obsolete weaponry that is junk when they roll out the "Good Stuff", developed over the decades in Black Projects.

I posted this analysis in a 9/11 thread a few days ago, and it was promptly flushed down the memory hole by an unknown moderator, who seem very interested in me lately, yet, I am only posting the conclusions like any analyst would. Apparently, connecting the dots is too scary, or maybe compromising the the secret government that is hanging by it's fingernails to the last vestiges of control it has.

What I posted is a scenario that is highly probable, but seeing that the message is actively being censored, I have to wonder why someone would be so scared of this type of discussion. It would certainly explain the concerted effort to diminish and exclude the 9/11 Truthers, because if the fact got out that 9/11 was an inside job, the consequence would be quite damaging for the U.S.

However, I do NOT believe that the revelation is a threat to national security. I believe the relevation would be a threat to the Secret Governments security, and that is entirely different. They need to be held accountable, no matter the cost, because they are leading us down the path to doom. They control technologies beyond our wildest dreams, can use the Military as a Black Hole for funding, losing 3 Trillion dollars without any repurcussions whatsoever, and then demand more with impunity.

We are seeing the culmination of what Truman started in 1947 in the National Security Act. In 1961, IKE warned us about the Military Industrial Complex, ""we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex... Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." because he had felt that he had lost control. Then JFK was assassinated 11/1963, 9 months after the CIA coup in Iran. probably because he heeded Ike's warning, and was taking steps to reign in the CIA. One has to wonder if he had any knowledge of the CIA action in Iran at all, and was outraged when he learned of it.

Since then. the cancer has grown big and fat on our necks and metastitized throughout the system.

[azul]

6. So this is how they do it.

A very well-connected and successful businessman friend from NY held the peculiar opinion that the world was run by 50 people, but was rather mysterious and unforthcoming about the details. Wealthy and powerful they were working behind the scenes, out of the spotlight somehow: the real powers that be. But how was this all accomplished I wondered.

But the warning to decent or otherwise reporters: Gary Webb. So like it will never be a story in the MSM. It may be too big to report, or too big to cause to fail.

[KoKo]

9. Too Big to Fail....seems to be the meme these days, doesn't it...

[truth2power]

10. This is exactly what Daniel Hopsicker said in "Barry & the Boys"..

The CIA uses drug and arms smuggling to fund their black ops. Oliver North put the hit on Barry seal. Barry Seal flew a getaway plane out of Dallas the day of the Kennedy Assassination.

the CIA has been mixed up with organized crime since way back. Too much to go into here. Everyone should read that book.

[JohnyCanuck]

44. Speaking of Hopsicker......

Here are some snips from the latest article on his web site.

Big Safari, the Kennedy Assassination, & the war for control of the Venice Airport (That's Venice Fla /JC)

.... Sept 08, 2009
by Daniel Hopsicker

A fierce war being waged for control of the Venice Municipal Airport has led to the discovery of covert CIA and military operations, dating back to at least 1959, which go well beyond what was previously known to have taken place there.

Operations at the Venice Airport have involved individuals whose names figure prominently in the Kennedy Assassination, for example Texas oilman General D. H. (Harry) Byrd, owner of a defense contractor which in the late 50's and early 60's built and launched Regulus II cruise missiles from the beach directly in front of the Venice Airport in a program run out of at Eglin AFB in Florida’s panhandle.

SNIP

General Byrd, of course, was the owner of the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas, where the Warren Commission alleged Lee Harvey Oswald fired the shots which killed President John F. Kennedy.

Byrd also ran the Texas and Louisiana Civil Air Patrol, at the same time cadets Barry Seal and Lee Harvey Oswald were meeting Kennedy assassination conspirator Capt. David Ferrie at a two-week summer camp of the Louisiana Civil Air Patrol at Barksdale Air Force Base in July of 1955.


SNIP

The Venice Airport, of course, first became infamous after 9/11 for having played host to three of the four terrorist pilots involved in the attack.


The Airport’s reputation was further tarnished with the subsequent discovery—first reported exclusively here—that the owner of Huffman Aviation, Wallace J. Hilliard, was implicated in international heroin trafficking, and had had his Lear jet permanently seized by the DEA after it was caught carrying 43 lbs. of heroin in Orlando on July 25, 2000.

That date was less than three weeks after Mohamed Atta arrived—from Afghanistan, according to Rudi Dekkers, speaking with reporters on Sept. 12—a country which, even then, was responsible for most of the world’s heroin—to attend his Venice FL flight school.

http://www.madcowprod.com/09082009.html

[tomm2thumbs]

12. I hear the CIA even has viruses for Mac computers#&$#*Q(%( (PW$%*(%)$*89 ..... end of data

[Grinchie]

46. What do you mean, Apple OS Engineers wrote them for the CIA!

They have the Self-Destruct Vector too. For everything.

[BigBearJohn]

13. great article! k/r

[BigBearJohn]

14. if this is all true, then what possible chance does Obama have of significantly making a difference?

[bertman]

20. Incremental, small potatoes changes are allowed. Anything that threatens the status quo

of Big Bidness/Corporatocracy/Military-Industrial-Intelligence Complex gets squashed. Anything or ANYONE.

[Grinchie]

47. It's up to us.

We just need to stop cooperating with them and make things difficult by gumming up the works.

Like not working. Not consuming. Bartering. Learning to take care of ourselves. Reacquainting ourselves with the basic necessitties of life. etc, etc, etc.

Their is not moch they can do when the individuals all say, "NO!"

They can sit at there consoles all day, watching no traffic on wall street, and they would go ape shit.

[Senator]

15. K&+R

[wuvuj]

16. You are speaking of....

...the SHADOW GOVERNMENT. Where does Obama get foreign policy advice and intel? Why do things never change...very much? Only the SHADOW knows...

The military and Wall St need to be brought under civilian control.

[arcadian]

17. Time to rescind the National Security Act of 1947

Smash the CIA into pieces, reorganize and deflate the DoD.

[bertman]

21. That is precisely what President John F. Kennedy proposed to do when he learned about

the behind-the-scenes, illegal activities swirling around the Bay of Pigs Invasion. You know the rest of the story.

[w4rma]

27. Bingo. It's dangerous, though: We're not dealing with the democratic elements of society. (nt)

[defendandprotect]

29. Do what JFK wasn't able to do -- smash them . . . however . . .

secret power of intelligence has now passed into even higher hands . . .

how many intelligence agencies above the CIA now???

[Grinchie]

48. Best Idea Ever!

Actually, it really is a good idea.

[empire we are]

49. Time to bring back the DOD's Original Name

The Department Of War

DOD is Doublespeak at its most perverse.

[PinkoDonkey]

18. A Very British Coup

Thanks for posting this. The article and the responses have reminded me of an old British television adaptation of a novel called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Very_British_Coup">A Very British Coup. It is about a left wing Labor PM's trouble with the security services and the other "real masters." Apparently it is based on some conspiracy theories regarding Harold Wilson (a subject I know absolutely nothing about).

If you have neither the time, inclination, nor a local library with a copy, the main showdown between the PM and the head of the security services can be found here.

[defendandprotect]

30. Thank you -- very interesting -- control by black mail --

Unfortunately, the power of a corrupt press -- and I include TV in that, certainly --

has proven that it can sway the public in a runaway fashion --

As mentioned here, by the time it would be explained or even proven, it would be too late.

That's why "WMD/mushroom clouds" played so well -- in that case, FEAR was added to the mix.

It's a megaphone which drives the public to self-ruin.

And -- these days leaders are around long enough for the public to have undivided confidence

in them -- such as FDR. Any leader now who looks as though he is gaining power will be

eliminated. We're seeing that all the time.

Thanks for the info -- and I'm not either aware of what Harold Wilson was trying to accomplish

but presume liberal/progressive ideals.

Now -- what to do about all of this with so many intimidated leaders?

Obviously, the power of violence will always win out -- except when met with the power of

the masses moving non-violently. Until everyone turns off their TVs, I think we have no chance.



PS: And, just adding this to stress again that we are ALL threatened by secret Swiss Bank
Accounts. Whether we're talking about the ability to hide money from illegal sources, or
the ability to frame someone -- it is a power to destroy democracy.

Swiss Bank accounts were begun to suck up the wealth of Jews trying to escape fascism.
The idea for the "J" on the passport also came from the Swiss, I believe?
And, that small not wealthy nation benefited mightily from the wealth that money gave them --
much of which they permitted no claims against for 50 years!

Evidently, New York banks and insurance companies were also involved, but they have not been
as successfully revealed/"outed" as the Swiss Banks, as I understand it.

[1776Forever]

19. Blackwater tapped foreigners on secret CIA program - Link

Blackwater tapped foreigners on secret CIA program
AP
By ADAM GOLDMAN and PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writers Adam Goldman And Pamela Hess, Associated Press Writers – Mon Aug 31

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_cia_secret_program

..........At the time that Blackwater began working with the CIA on the death squad operation in 2004, the CIA had in place a long-standing policy mandating that senior officials leaving the agency could not go to work for private firms for a year after their departure. In 2007, Hayden toughened requirements for the entire agency, mandating an 18-month hold on security clearances for all departing employees who leave prior to retirement.

Scott Amey, general counsel for the Project on Government Oversight, a watchdog group in Washington, said "the revolving door is a very accepted practice" between government and private industry, but added that "to be able to bring people in from the CIA, there is a possibility that it gives you a competitive advantage in receiving awards from that agency."

When Panetta terminated the CIA's death squad program in June, he informed congressional intelligence committees about its existence in an emergency briefing.

The House Intelligence Committee is investigating whether the CIA broke the law by not quickly informing Congress about the secret program.

.............

I asked before, "Is this still going on?" Who knows? :shrug:

[defendandprotect]

31. Whatever even weak controls Congress used to have over the CIA seem mainly gone . . .

They used to have to keep all of Congress informed -- now I think it's down to as few as

8 or even less?

[bertman]

41. And they routinely lie and misrepresent or omit info to keep those few officials in the dark.

Harken back to the House Committee on Assassinations in '76-'78. The CIA refused to give them documents, lied to them about actions and operations. Even when the Director was found to have perjured himself before Congress all he got was a "bad boy".

That showdown set the stage for what's going on now. First, JFK. Then RFK. Then the HSCA. Now a compliant Executive and Legislative Branch.

[Grinchie]

50. I do know theat they recently extended Blackwaters/Xe's contract indefinately

Apparently, the strongest Military in the world does not have enough troops to provide security detail to the State Department, without jeopardizing the missions in Iraq, and Afganistan.

Why am I not surprised?

[dotymed]

22. Any thinking person

knows that the world is run by a few wealthy, elite families.
They have concentrated their power in America. We are now
their "home base" for operations. They are ensuring
that most of America, becomes a "third world
country" by cutting jobs and pay while raiding the the
U.S. treasury. This leaves America wide open for the
"Royalty" that they are. Bush and Cheney are a part
of the Dynasty that run the world. Obama hopes to be..we still
have a few government representatives who fight against this,
but the CIA is the enforcement arm for these dynasties. If
they are threatened, they become casualties of war. The only
way to stop all of this, is for our citizens to take to the
streets en masse. Since the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE was repealed,
the mases have become easy to manipulate. If only our citizens
would "wake-up", maybe we could stop this (almost
completed) takeover.

[imdjh]

25. Piso?

[defendandprotect]

32. Now not only are our citizens being successfully lied to ... they're being led to a

revolution against "socialism" which is utterly against their own interests!!

The magic of turning people against themselves lies in right wing propaganda!

[earcandle]

36. nifty little swindle....its like the body thinking collagen is foriegn material. Eat Jello!

Eat Jello!  One packet of gelatin in juice per day for 21 days
to inform your body that the cartilage that keeps our joints
working is food, to rid our body of self attack.

How to do this for the MIND of our population:  be stupid. 
Actually consider oneself as stupid.  Then forgive the self
because we trusted our media to inform us with the truth. 
Then take the medicine: The Fairness Doctrine and feed it back
to the public where it feeds on reality, the conflict of
differences, and the ambiquity of "truth" depending
on who's interests are being represented.

It is only when we can see both sides of a story that we can
do the critical thinking from which good decisions and caps on
scamming can arise.  

Get noodlebrained!  The first definition of a noodle in the
Webster's Dictionary is "a stupid person"  the
second is a pasta.

Why is this?  Because it is thought that anyone who noodles,
who attempts to get the full story, or find out what is really
happening is called stupid, the first gate of hell, and most
turn back.  Most people would rather belong to a concept than
do the hard work of conversation.  Most are concerned more
about protection then about learning.  These ways are stupid. 
They allow for duplicity to occur.

Get your psychology in order to do some critical thinking and
organizing.  Being right has nothing to do with making things
work for our best interest.  Being wrong has less to do with
that as well.  Being educated, being able to think clearly,
being not stopped by fear, and being inspired to get creative.
 We need to find ways to get around the problems, to get to
the heart of the matter, and find resolution.  We need to be
brilliant.

We can do it.  We can clearly find our way out of these
problems.   
We just have to agree to create a reality that works for all
of us and leave these tricksters behind.  

Look.  It is our cash that these people use to do these things
to us.  Don't like it?  Take the money back.
Take the privilege of representing us in congress back.  Write
a bill that dismantles the CIA and nullifies the
contracts that pay for mercenaries to kill people so that we
can pay for services needed here, including wage hikes
and 14% interest on savings. 

[defendandprotect]

38. If we can't get health care . . .

how are we going to knock out the CIA using these same officials -- ???

The MIC is corporate -- and that's another frightening reality because it will

not necessarily honor citizen control -- at least, I wouldn't want to see that

put to the test!

[Grinchie]

52. You want health care? Teach yourself about it!

Honestly, there was a day when healthcare was primarily the responsibility of the individual.

We have been lied to and fooled by the so called Germ Theory, which simplisticly claims that all diseases are caused by a single germ, that all of a sudden one day settles into your body and runs amok..

Uh Huh, Thank you Mr. Pasteur, on behalf of Mr. Merck.

People are eating non nutritious food, drinking poisoned water, breathing air loaded with micro-particulates, unburnt hydrocarbons, lower oxygen, higher C02, live a life of constant threat, induced by the Rat Race, Piles of Bills, Debt, the struggle to conform, unhealthy societal norms, outright fear, and entertainment of traumatic violence and subconscious harmful messages.

I do my own healthcare. I made a pact with my partner that we both would take care of each other in the case of stitches, burns or broken bones. I am totally confident that we could handle any minor emergency ourselves, all it takes it the will and the knowledge and the Healthcare issue becomes moot. Prevention becomes the primary activity in daily life, and believe me, it is a pleasant life, because to eat good food, to drink lots of clean water, you take plenty of break, and do what you have energy to do.

The Rat Race is a killer. The Buildings in America are toxic cesspools of chemical contaminants. I refuse to play the game, and further contaminate my body with toxins.

Just take a look at the Town Hollerers and you'll see what the crappy lifestyle has done to America.

[defendandprotect]

53. I very well understand what you mean . . .

When I was a kid, we went to the drug store -- where you could get stitches!

Later we went to empty emergency rooms -- where nurses would let a bunch of kids
in with one injured friend who needed a butterfly band aid.

Agree we are creating new diseases every day and the response is slash and burn medicine.

People have been made dumb by the health care industry -- and our corporate-press.

Everything is poisoned - our food, air, water, soil -- life contaminated by the invention
of the dollar bill.

Since Western Europeans first arrived, they've brought disease and violence with them.

Many people don't understand that our true medicines are our plants -- and not the chemical
worked up in factories to imitate them -- and carrying horrendous side effects.

There isn't a doctor today any longer who truly cares about a patient other than as a
means to profit.

Meanwhile -- back to the CIA!

[Grinchie]

51. You nailed it. Divide and Conquer and watch the masses consume each other.

The trouble is that the Conscious are caught in the middle of the shitty mess.

[Soylent Brice]

26. bookmarked.

[defendandprotect]

33. Thank you for the report . . .

Ray McGovern is saying what I think most of us understand -- that there is

great FEAR among elected officials.

From what I've read, the CIA was founded with ex-Nazis brought in under Operation Paperclip

and they were also funneled into the FBI. NASA, as well, of course. It has always been an

arm of the elite, manned by elites. AND, by the time we even begin to understand what they

have really been doing, great damage has been accomplished.

At the recent death of William Buckley evidently some CIA documents came bouncing out which

seem to confirm that he was CIA -- think of all the years he was polluting and poisoning the

atmosphere at PBS! . . .

and those documents make clear that the CIA gathered in right wing money from all sources,

including KKK -- and financed campaigns of right wing Senators -- two of those named were

Sen. Strom Thurmond and Rep. Gerald Ford.

Pat Buchanan also received CIA money.

So -- when we are confused it is rather obvious why. Not much of anything makes sense because

it has been completely distorted by the right wing/fascists in control.


"The myth of a free press died with the assassination of President John F. Kennedy"

[earcandle]

37. No wonder I got my degree in communications!

Here it is 40 years later and we still don't have widespread
public documents to inform us what really happened and how to
stop it. 

[unc70]

42. Several intertwined groups: Operation Gladio, et al; opium trade; investment banking

Plus the close connections between WS, CIA, and the media. In particular wrt JFK, you need to look at Washington Post and its close ties to the CIA (not to mention international banking). No time to post more, but several things in my DU journal about Gladio, Katherine Graham, CT should help provide important historical context.

[Time for change]

43. It's so great to hear someone with the authority and credibility of Ray McGovern

say what needs to be said. Our CIA -- or at least one of them -- has done monumental damage to our country and the world since it came into existence.

[LiberalLovinLug]

54. can't recommend after 24 hours...

I can still KICK it.

Very important stuff. Scarey but important to at least occasionally remind everyone of the actual reality show playing.