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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 09:12 PM
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Global warming is real, A Climate Skeptic's Conversion
There are so many good reasons not to believe in global warming: summers lately have been cool and wet; since 1998 global temperatures have actually fallen; dissident scientists say it’s not happening; green believers are irritating — they wear Tibetan hats that only look good on Tibetans, and are so often wrong that they’re probably wrong about the Big One; large parts of the punditocracy say it’s all nonsense, usually that it’s a left-wing plot against capitalism; the rainforest is growing back faster than it’s being cut down and polar bears are, apparently, doing quite well. Global warming? Yeah, right!

But here’s the best reason of all not to believe, to sit back and relax. Global warming is just the latest apocalyptic story. There is always someone, somewhere predicting the end of the world.

He may be a man with a sandwich board in Oxford Street or an American Christianist who expects the Book of Revelation to happen tomorrow. But he’s equally likely to be a scientist warning about asteroid impacts, super-eruptions, molecule-sized robots turning everything into grey goo or, not so long ago, the descent of Earth into a new ice age. Taking all these possibilities into account, Sir Martin Rees, the great cosmologist, says humans only have a 50/50 chance of making it into the next century. Yeah, right!

No wonder opinion polls show a majority of the population are sceptical about global warming. Just scanning the papers, the internet or watching TV is enough to convince anyone it’s just the usual apocalyptic hype. And, if they want to dig deeper into their own disbelief, there are shelfloads of books to give them a hand. There’s Nigel Lawson, ex-chancellor of the exchequer, with An Appeal to Reason. There’s Scared to Death by Christopher Booker and Richard North. There’s Cool It by Bjorn Lomborg. There was even a very serious documentary on Channel 4 called The Great Global Warming Swindle with some serious-looking science guys pouring cold water on the warming atmosphere.

Just a couple of weeks reading and watching and you can be out there, crushing dinner-party eco-warriors with devastating arguments based on cold, hard facts. You will be a stern, hard-headed denialist, your iron jaw set firmly against the tree-hugging, soft-headed warmists in their irritating hats.

That was me, once. I thought global warming was all bog-standard, apocalyptic nonsense when it first emerged in the 1980s. People, I knew, like nothing better than an End-of-the-World story to give their lives meaning. I also knew that science is dynamic. Big ideas rise and fall. Once the Earth was the centre of the universe. Then it wasn’t. Once Isaac Newton had completed physics. Then he hadn’t. Once there was going to be a new ice age. Then there wasn’t.

Armed with such historic reversals, I poured scorn on under-educated warmists. Scientists with access to the microphone, I pointed out, had got so much so wrong so often. This was yet another case of clever people, who should have known better, running around screaming, “End of the World! End of the World!” and of less-clever people finding reasons to tell everybody else why they were bad. And then I made a terrible mistake. I started questioning my instinct, which was to disbelieve every scare story on principle.

I exposed myself to any journalist’s worst nightmare — very thoughtful, intelligent people.

I talked to some brilliant scientists and thinkers, some mainstream Greens, some truly tough-minded scientists. There was James Lovelock, the man whose Gaia hypothesis sees the world as a single, gigantic organism. There was Jesse Ausubel, director of the Program for the Human Environment at Rockefeller University in New York. There was Chris Rapley, director of the Science Museum and former head of the British Antarctic Survey. There was Myles Allen, head of the Climate Dynamics Group at Oxford. There was Sir David King, once chief scientific adviser to the British government. There were many others.

There is, I saw, a fine line between the hard-head and the bone-head. The denialist hard-head swaggers his way through life hearing only what he wants to hear, that warmism is either a hoax, a gross error or just another End-of-the-World scare story. But if you suspend your prejudices and your vanity for a moment, everything changes. You find out that the following statements are true beyond argument.

The climate is warming. It is almost certain this is caused by emissions of greenhouse gases caused by human activity. Nobody has come up with an alternative explanation that stands up. If the present warming trend continues, nasty things will probably start happening to humans within the next century, possibly the next decade. Something must be done. If nothing is done, then the benign climatic conditions that have sustained human civilisation for 10,000 years are in danger of collapse to be replaced by… well, write your own disaster movie.

You will note that there is some wiggle room in these statements. It is “almost certain” that humans are responsible; nasty things will “probably” happen. That is because all science can ever be is the best guess of the best minds. Also, the climate is a complex system, meaning it can behave in ways that are opaque beyond our most sophisticated calculations. But, as I have often been told, those statements are as true as any scientific statements can be, and nobody — I repeat, nobody — has been able to refute this. In short, to deny any of these statements is to put yourself beyond the bounds of rational discourse.


more ... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6931598.ece
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 09:16 PM
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1. I just cancelled an unrec.
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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 09:53 PM
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2. Thanks !
They must have been quick as it is a long article. :)
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:13 PM
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3. It is nice to know that some people are smart enough to change their minds in
the face of facts.
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zbikerwy Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:38 PM
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5. ah...... but now that the news has broken
that the science behind all the global warming info is false, will they be able to change their minds back.
kinda makes me wonder when they knew their e-mails had been hacked why they ( the scientists) didn't just break the news themselves, sure woulda been less emberessing as a whole
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:33 PM
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6. The word is spelled "embarrassing" and the rest of your post
is equally incorrect.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:52 PM
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7. Intentional irony?
Since many revelations came out about the very unscientific way climate scientists have been proceeding most global warming enthusiasts have dug in and refused to hear any of it. It's happening, the science is settled, any errors in that are irrelevant, we should ignore this and move on, etc.

Here's one concern, I'll quote from someone who wrote it better than I can:

Because thermometer-based measurements of the climate are only about 150 years old (and are quite spotty for much of that time), when scientists set out to construct long-term estimates of temperature trends, they use what are called “proxies,” such as tree-ring measurements that ostensibly reveal the temperatures that the tree experienced as it grew. As it happens, the tree-ring proxies match up with the thermometer measurements up until about 1960, when there is a “divergence” between the two sets of data. The tree rings indicate a global cooling after 1960, while the thermometer data indicates a sharp warming.

The CRU scientists decided to simply stop using the inconveniently non-warming tree-ring data after 1960, and splice the modern thermometer-based temperature readings instead, using statistical methods to smooth out and conceal the transition. In one email, this is discussed as a “trick” developed by Michael Mann, one of the creators of the infamous climate “hockey stick chart,” that would “hide the decline” shown by the tree rings and emphasize the recent spike in thermometer data, preserving the sanctity of the hockey stick. One problem with this is, if the tree rings don’t accurately reflect temperatures since 1960, why should we believe they accurately reflected temperatures in the past? If temperatures could diverge now, couldn’t they have equally diverged in the medieval warm period of 1,000 years ago? If so, current temperatures could be historically unremarkable, cutting away one of the key rationales for blaming human greenhouse gas emissions for recent climate changes.

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There is at least one concerning method they have chosen to stick with.
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zbikerwy Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:06 PM
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8. we are seeing the irony
i am afraid that as seen by the response from uncle joe that it will be much more difficult to open their minds to the possibility that they may have been at least " mildly " incorrect in some of their assumptions. after seeing the latest revelations concerning what was presented as fact and what was with held as far as the climate change goes, it's no wonder those folks are so defensive. sometimes when your too quick to jump on a band wagon it can be tuff to jump off.
as mentioned by jonq, tree rings should be considered a fairly reliable source, not only for temp, but amounts of rainfall and length of summers as well. the story is all their for those that will see....

and yes uncle i apologize for my grammatical error :), but alas, my point is not incorrect
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 06:27 PM
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10. From your previous post # 5, bolding added by me.
Edited on Mon Dec-07-09 06:28 PM by Uncle Joe
"ah...... but now that the news has broken

that the science behind all the global warming info is false, will they be able to change their minds back.
kinda makes me wonder when they knew their e-mails had been hacked why they ( the scientists) didn't just break the news themselves, sure woulda been less emberessing as a whole"



That's such a monumental leap based on a microscopic number of e-mails which were then taken out of context by your self and others acting as judge and jury, not only did you automatically determine those scientists of being guilty of promoting false science, you threw in every other scientist that believes man magnified global warming is a clear, present and growing danger to humanity as well.

You then have the audacity to make this post regarding the virtues of "open minds" while retreating to "mildly incorrect" if this weren't so tragic it would be funny.

Regarding tree rings; I don't know the full story behind the change in regard to the current divergence of that data from being tied to current actual temperatures as it has been in the past, but my own gut feeling is that Global Dimming and possibly other pollutants may have somewhat separated those two dynamics, a result of late Industrial Age impact. I have a thread to this effect on the GD Forum.

No need to apologize for the grammatical error, I make enough of them myself.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 03:59 PM
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4. I thought this paragraph was key.


<snip>

"Beginning from the beginning. In 1750 there were 800m people in the world. Then came the Industrial Revolution. This required almost pure carbon, coal, oil and gas to be taken from the ground where it had lain for millions of years, burnt and tossed into the atmosphere as carbon dioxide. Now there are almost 7 billion of us and we toss 27 billion tons of carbon dioxide — 7.3 billion tons of pure carbon — into the atmosphere every year. Since the Industrial Revolution, the total amount tossed is half a trillion tons of pure carbon. It is impossible to say this didn’t happen and bone-headed madness to think it will have no effect. We are more or less certain that the effect has been a one-degree-centigrade rise in global temperature."

<snip>



Thanks for the thread, Mr. Sparkle.

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 07:05 PM
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9. ttt
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