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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:25 PM
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WEE're Going to Disneyland! December 4-6, 2009
Yes, I know. We've already made two trips to this well. But let's face it, if you are a Boomer, or to either side of the Pig in the Python, you were formed in a culture saturated with Pixie dust. It guided us, or misguided us, throughout our formative years. We can learn a lot from the Man in the Mouse Ears. Our story continues:


"1941–1945: During World War II

Disney and a group of animators were sent to South America in 1941 by the U.S. State Department as part of its Good Neighbor policy, and guaranteed financing for the resulting movie, Saludos Amigos.

Shortly after the release of Dumbo in October 1941, the United States entered World War II. The U.S. Army contracted most of the Disney studio's facilities and had the staff create training and instructional films for the military, home-front morale-boosting shorts such as Der Fuehrer's Face and the feature film Victory Through Air Power in 1943. However, the military films did not generate income, and the feature film Bambi underperformed when it was released in April 1942. Disney successfully re-issued Snow White in 1944, establishing a seven-year re-release tradition for Disney features. In 1945, The Three Caballeros was the last animated feature by Disney during the war period.

In 1944, William Benton, publisher of the Encyclopædia Britannica, had entered into unsuccessful negotiations with Disney to make six to twelve educational films annually. Disney was asked by the US Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs, Office of Inter-American Affairs (OIAA), to make an educational film about the Amazon Basin and it resulted in the 1944 animated short, The Amazon Awakens.

1945–1955: Disney in the post-war Period

The Disney studios also created inexpensive package films, containing collections of cartoon shorts, and issued them to theaters during this period. This includes Make Mine Music (1946), Melody Time (1948), Fun and Fancy Free (1947) and The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad (1949). The latter had only two sections: the first based on The Wind in the Willows by Kenneth Grahame, and the second based on The Legend of Sleepy Hollow by Washington Irving. During this period, Disney also ventured into full-length dramatic films that mixed live action and animated scenes, including Song of the South and So Dear to My Heart. After the war ended, Mickey's popularity would also fade as well.

By the late 1940s, the studio had recovered enough to continue production on the full-length features, Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan, both of which had been shelved during the war years, and began work on Cinderella, which became Disney's most successful film since Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. The studio also began a series of live-action nature films, titled True-Life Adventures, in 1948 with On Seal Island. Despite rebounding success through feature films, Disney's animation shorts were no longer as popular as they used to be, and people began to instead draw attention to Warner Bros and their animation star Bugs Bunny; by 1942, Warner Bros' Termite Terrace officially became the most popular animation studio.<68> However, while Bugs Bunny's popularity rose in the 1940s, so did Donald Duck's; Donald would also replace Mickey Mouse as Disney's star character in 1949.

During the mid-1950s, Disney produced a number of educational films on the space program in collaboration with NASA rocket designer Wernher von Braun: Man in Space and Man and the Moon in 1955, and Mars and Beyond in 1957."

So early on we can see the US Government taking to film and using Disney to promote its policies and set the tone for future events. It was easy money, influence, flattery, it paid the bills and kept the venture alive. In a way, I cannot blame Walt for doing so. I'm sure he thought it patriotic, as well as profitable. But it was the first step on a slippery slope of mixing politics and culture, a baby step to the Culture Wars around us, as well as the melding of corporation and Constitutional activities...

I will be missing in action for much of the evening, dealing with some family business. Do keep this thread going. There's too much to let it slip. See you later!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:30 PM
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1. Dogbert the CEO--a Story for Our Times
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:34 PM
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2. Mark Fiore Dishes Obama--The Least- Worst Plan of Terribleness
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:36 PM
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3. And of Course, Dave Barry Does Disney World
Mindless in Mickeytown BY DAVE BARRY

http://www.miamiherald.com/living/columnists/dave-barry/story/1324584.html

(This classic Dave Barry column was originally published March 30, 2003.)

Every year, we return to Orlando. Instinct makes us do this. We are like the salmon who must swim upstream to spawn, and die. They are lucky. We must go to theme parks.

A theme park is an amusement park where you pay one blanket admission fee, which is quite steep, but once you're inside, everything is totally free, except all the other stuff you end up buying, which will run you around $11,000 per child. Every few yards you find yourself stopping to buy high-priced theme-park food, theme-park merchandise, theme-park clothing and theme-park photographs of yourself looking theme-park ugly.

Sometimes you stop and just spontaneously throw money into the theme-park air. You can't help yourself! You're theme-park stupid!

Everybody's IQ drops at theme parks. Really smart people, Mensa members, will stand in line for two hours so they can go on a 90-second ride with a name like "The Runaway Turnip." They do this because everybody else is doing it, and because they paid for it, and because they're going to have FUN, dammit!

(FIRST DAVE GOES TO SEA WORLD--THEN)

Our next Orlando stop was Disney World, which is called "The Happiest Place on Earth" by people who write advertising slogans. Our 3-year-old daughter loves Disney World, because she gets to meet Mickey Mouse, in person. She sometimes meets Mickey three or four times a day, and he always acts really thrilled and surprised to see her, as if he doesn't remember that he just met her 45 minutes earlier. Mickey's a little on the slow side, if you ask me.

The highest Disney highlight, for our daughter, is when we go to "character breakfasts, " where, while you're eating, top Disney stars - Mickey, Minnie, Cinderella, Winnie the Pooh, Goofy, Fred MacMurray - come around to your table and make excited gestures. Our daughter believes that these characters are real - that she is actually meeting the real Cinderella, Pooh, etc. These are HUGE celebrities in her world. Imagine what this must feel like to her. It's as if, while you were having breakfast, Tom Cruise, Julia Roberts, Jennifer Lopez, Bruce Springsteen and Madonna all came to your table and made a big fuss over you, to the point where you wanted to say, "Hey, Madonna, do you mind? I'm trying to eat my waffles here!"

Yes, it is a magical place, Orlando, a fun place, and a place that we will be compelled to return to next year. They're opening a major new attraction. Spawn World.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:38 PM
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4. And for Good Measure, Dave Rips the Newspaper World to Shreds (What's Left of It)
http://www.miamiherald.com/living/columnists/dave-barry/story/1336404.html

(This classic Dave Barry column was originally published July 20, 2003.)

We are worried, here in the newspaper business (motto: ''What, YOU never make misstakes?''). We're hearing that you readers have lost your faith in us. Polls show that, in terms of public trust, the news media now rank lower than used-car salespeople, kidnappers, tapeworms, Hitler and airline flight announcements. (We are still slightly ahead of lawyers.)

Of course, these poll results were reported by the news media, so they could be wrong. In fact, there might not actually have been any polls; it's possible that some reporter made the whole ``media credibility'' story up. But I don't think so. I think the public is genuinely unhappy with us. Lately, when I tell people I work for a newspaper, I've detected the subtle signs of disapproval-the dirty looks, the snide remarks, the severed animal heads in my bed.

How did we get into this situation? Without pointing the finger of blame at any one institution, I would say it is entirely the fault of The New York Times...
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:39 PM
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5. But Oliphant Gets the Last Word
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:24 AM
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64. IRONY: IT DOES A POLITCAL BODY GOOD
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the
time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops
home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank. "-
Barack Obama, October 27, 2007
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 09:10 PM
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42. Fun Fact: Mensa DID Go To Disney World in 2006
I was there. Having long lost any interest in concrete and plastic, I spent the time hob-nobbing with fellow M's in the air conditioning. It was actually cooler in Florida than Michigan, that year.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:41 PM
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6. Bring on the Usual Suspects
Our Gang of Gangsters, of course!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:42 PM
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7.  Goldman looks to quell anger on bonuses
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/83a5a6b0-e055-11de-8494-00144feab49a.html

Top Goldman Sachs executives are likely to receive their annual bonus in stock this year rather than cash as part of a pay review that could affect thousands of the Wall Street bank’s rank-and-file employees.

In a bid to quell public anger over probable multi-million dollar pay-outs to Goldman’s most successful bankers and traders after a bumper year for the bank, Lloyd Blankfein, its chief executive, is weighing plans to increase the share of compensation paid in equity.

Senior executives including Mr Blankfein could be awarded all their annual bonus in company stock, people familiar with the bank’s thinking told the Financial Times. Many of its 31,700 staff may also receive more of their annual bonus in deferred stock or options.

Goldman’s stunning recovery this year is expected to restore the pay of many of its bankers and traders to pre-crisis levels. The prospect of near-record pay-outs as the US emerges from its worst recession in decades has prompted a backlash that may intensify in the new year when details of salaries, bonuses and other benefits emerge.

Goldman managers this week began the month-long process of setting their employees’ pay. Those numbers will be finalised in January once the bank’s books close. Goldman’s board will vote next month on the compensation of top executives....

YEAH, WE'LL SEE.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:49 PM
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11. BofA to repay $45bn in Tarp funds
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9b684ef0-df93-11de-98ca-00144feab49a.html

Bank of America is to pay back $45bn in US bail-out funds in a dramatic step by the nation’s largest lender to escape the heightened supervision that accompanied government rescue from the financial crisis.

BofA will use $26.2bn of its own cash and raise an additional $18.8bn in the markets beginning on Thursday through the sale of stock in the largest ever capital raising by a US bank....The repayment will be the biggest by any of the companies rescued by US authorities during the crisis, and will add to the pressure on other borrowers from the troubled asset relief programme, including Citigroup and Wells Fargo.

....All told, US taxpayers will earn a $3.6bn profit from dividends on the $45bn investment, helping to buttress the position of officials such as Treasury secretary Tim Geithner, who had championed bank bail-outs.

Wednesday’s announcement, following more than a month of negotiations between BofA executives and regulators in Washington, is a fitting coda to the reign of Ken Lewis, the bank’s chief executive, who steps down at the end of the month.

Mr Lewis is leaving, in part, because of regulatory probes unleashed following his negotiations with the US Treasury and Federal Reserve last December over $20bn in Tarp funds that helped him complete the acquisition of Merrill Lynch. Together, BofA and Merrill had already received a combined total of $25bn in Tarp funds.

Since the revelation of that $20bn Tarp supplement in January, Mr Lewis has had to fight off lawsuits filed by shareholders who were angry that Merrill’s financial condition was never fully disclosed. Mr Lewis and BofA have also been the target of a congressional investigation into the $20bn disbursal, an investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission into disclosure issues, and a probe by Andrew Cuomo, New York attorney-general, into the payment of $3.6bn in bonuses at Merrill Lynch.

Mr Lewis sought to secure the government’s approval to repay the Tarp funds before his departure as a means of capping a banking career marked by massive acquisitions and, in recent years, intense scrutiny...
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:44 PM
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8. Money Makes the World Go Around!
International reports of note...
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:46 PM
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9. China eyes industrial bases in Africa
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/040beac2-e041-11de-8494-00144feab49a.html

The World Bank and Beijing are in discussions about setting up low-cost factories in new industrial zones in Africa to help the continent develop a manufacturing base and reverse its declining share in global trade.

Robert Zoellick, the president of the World Bank, said Beijing had shown “strong interest” in proposals to set up manufacturing bases to help African countries achieve high growth paths similar to Asian ones....


WELL, THAT WILL KEEP THE CHINESE PEASANTRY FROM GETTING UPPITY. WONDER WHEN IT'S THE US's TURN TO BE "COLONIZED"?
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Po_d Mainiac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 10:27 AM
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73. might as well foul another continent with toxins. n/t
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:47 PM
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10. UK banks owed $5bn by Dubai World
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/57c9c17a-df6f-11de-98ca-00144feab49a.html

UK banks have an aggregate exposure to Dubai World of about $5bn, the Financial Times has learnt, confirming them as the biggest creditor group at the crisis-hit emirate holding company.

A week on from the emergence of Dubai’s financial turmoil, banks and their advisers are still scrambling to pin down exactly how much they are on the hook for, but last night it became clear that Royal Bank of Scotland was the most exposed of the UK banks, ahead of HSBC, Standard Chartered and Lloyds Banking Group....
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:11 AM
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62. UAE investor concern over repayment
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/12/2009124155947168698.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pRaDYtyujc&feature=player_embedded

Investors are becoming increasingly worried over how Dubai is ever going to pay its enormous debts.

Amid rising fury among bondholders at losing lots of money, the cost of insuring the debt against restructuring or default rose on the London stock market on Friday.

And banking analysts say the trust of investors has been unforgiveably shattered.

Al Jazeera's Dan Nolan reports.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 05:29 PM
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12. Quiz - Who’s officially unemployed?

12/4/09 Quiz - Who’s officially unemployed?
To determine the unemployment rate, the government conducts a monthly survey of 60,000 households. Only those who say they are out of work, available to work and actively job-hunting are counted as jobless. How do you think these individuals would be classified?

https://news.fidelity.com/news/article.jhtml?guid=/FidelityNewsPage/pages/officially-unemployed-fq03-p1&topic=economy


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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 05:38 PM
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13. I hate Disney n/t
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 05:50 PM
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14. Sorry. Want to Elaborate? Details?
Therapy and economics--one-stop schlepping.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:03 PM
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22. Well, to begin with, I've never liked cartoons
Except Rocky and Bullwinkle.

But there was always something, I don't know, insincere about Disney. Cutesy. Smarmy.

I'm the minority, however, so it's no big deal.




TG
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:36 PM
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23. I Agree. That's Part of My Meandering Thesis
Look what he did to the Little Mermaid--gave it a happy ending. Bowdlerizing everything. I'm surprised Bambi's mother got shot, even if it was off camera.

That was part and parcel of McCarthyism, IMO. Prettifying a story because the little dears couldn't handle the truth.

As a result--Teabagging!
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:55 PM
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38. I don't know what he did to The Little Mermaid -- I never saw it
The version I read growing up -- The Little Sea-Maid, in Volume 17 of The Harvard Classics -- had a miserable ending, one of those "life's a bitch and then you die" kind of things.

So did Hugo's Notre-Dame de Paris. I suppose Disney cheerfulled that up, too.

Against my wishes and better judgment, I saw the stage version of Beauty and the Beast in NYC and hated it. The bad guy -- whatever his name was -- had to die just because he dared to love Beauty? Ick, nasty.

The witch in Snow White terrified me as a small child. I don't think I ever got over that.



TG


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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 09:05 PM
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41. The Original Little Mermaid Is All About Class Caste
and the foolishness of aspiring above one's station, with a bit of Christianity's Purgatory for those not deemed human enough for heaven. It is a dreadful story.

There are some lovely songs in Disney's version, the animation and use of color are impressive, and the plot concludes with subversion of the caste of class, and neatly resolves father-daughter issues, and it's okay, but it isn't Hans Christian Anderson by a long shot. Maybe that might break down your reluctance.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 10:11 PM
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43. Ohh, I loved all the princesses

Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and her Three Good Fairies Flora (dressed in red/pink), Fauna (in green), and Merryweather (in blue).

I never looked for hidden meanings, just enjoyed the stories.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 12:16 AM
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47. The Tinder Box is quite the opposite. Well, sort of (spoiler)
Wasn't sure if I needed a spoiler alert, but what the hell.

There were three stories in the collection of Andersen that I read repeatedly -- The Little Sea-Maid, The Constant Tin Soldier, and The Tinder Box. Sitting here tonight I couldn't remember exactly how The Tinder Box ended, so I got the book off the shelf and quickly re-read the story.


Briefly, the wandering soldier acquires great wealth, partly legitimately, partly through murder. He settles in a small kingdom where the king has locked his daughter away because of a prophecy that she will marry a common soldier. The soldier manages to see the sequestered princess and falls in love with her, for which he is condemned to hang. On the gallows, he escapes death by killing the judges and the king and queen. The people proclaim the soldier the new king and he marries the princess who "liked that well enough."

So the mermaid is condemned for aspiring above her "station," but the murdering soldier who has done nothing to earn the princess other than acquire unearned wealth is rewarded????

Does this mean Hans Christian Andersen was a raving sexist as well as classist?



Tansy Gold, who really should not read fairy tales when she's tired and disgusted with the current economic situation

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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 03:23 AM
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51. Wasn't Hans Christian Andersen chanelling more ancient oral folk tales,
Edited on Sat Dec-05-09 03:25 AM by Ghost Dog
as were the Brothers Grimm, that were there to tell children (and parents) all about how the medieval European world really worked (sometimes subversively)?

And there must be many examples all over the world.

Aesop and La Fontaine, though, I've always considered to be in a different class entirely...

(These days, sure, Disney means Pixar. Mostly, I've always gone out of my way to avoid having to watch a Disney movie, especially the non-cartoon ones).
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 07:41 AM
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57. Anderson Was Making It Up as He Went Along, I Think
He was a product of quasi-Victorian times.

Grimm Brothers were collectors. I don't know about Perrault. Seems he was making them up for his aristocratic audiences.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:10 AM
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61. I found my books of Grimm, Andersen fairy tales

Looking thru them, there are stories I don't remember reading or hearing about when I was younger. Must read them, looking for the hidden meanings this time.

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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 10:29 PM
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45. I do too, but in typically inconsistent fashon, I agree with Demeter about "Mermaid"
and btw, I also disliked cartoons as a child, but did like "Rocky and Bullwinkle" - it struck me as funny, though none of the others did. I also loathe slapstick. Oh, well. As I always say about my inability to appreciate most jazz, my loss. One less pleasure to enjoy in the world. Except Disney. I don't consider that a loss. I went to Orlando, once, with family, though not to Disney. We choose the movie Park (forget what it's named) and Sea World. Was OK, but I loathed Florida so much I couldn't wait to leave. We went home via the mountains of NC, thank the goddess - when we got that far, I felt like I could breathe again.

But I saw "Little Mermaid" with my daughter when she was six, and did enjoy it - especially the music and bright colors.

I do remember reading the story as a child, and the honest-to-goddess depression it caused me. I agree completely with Demeter's analysis of it. Too horrific for a child, and I never exposed my daughter to it.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 03:22 AM
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50. I Think Hans Christian Anderson Was Unlucky in Love
At least, that's how Danny Kaye's version read it...

Andersen often fell in love with unattainable women and many of his stories are interpreted as references to his sexual grief.<8> The most famous of these was the opera soprano Jenny Lind. One of his stories, "The Nightingale", was a written expression of his passion for Lind, and became the inspiration for her nickname, the "Swedish Nightingale". Andersen was often shy around women and had extreme difficulty in proposing to Lind. When Lind was boarding a train to take her to an opera concert, Andersen gave Lind a letter of proposal. Her feelings towards him were not mutual; she saw him as a brother, writing to him in 1844 "farewell... God bless and protect my brother is the sincere wish of his affectionate sister, Jenny."<9> A girl named Riborg Voigt was the unrequited love of Andersen's youth. A small pouch containing a long letter from Riborg was found on Andersen's chest when he died. At one point he wrote in his diary: "Almighty God, thee only have I; thou steerest my fate, I must give myself up to thee! Give me a livelihood! Give me a bride! My blood wants love, as my heart does!"<10> Other disappointments in love included Sophie Orsted, the daughter of the physicist Hans Christian Orsted, and Louise Collin, the youngest daughter of his benefactor Jonas Collin.

Just like his interest in women, Andersen would become attracted to nonreciprocating men. For example, Andersen wrote to Edvard Collin,<11>: "I languish for you as for a pretty Calabrian wench... my sentiments for you are those of a woman. The femininity of my nature and our friendship must remain a mystery." Collin, who did not prefer men, wrote in his own memoir: "I found myself unable to respond to this love, and this caused the author much suffering." Likewise, the infatuations of the author for the Danish dancer Harald Scharff<12> and Carl Alexander, the young hereditary duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach,<13> did not result in any relationships. Four of his letters to Carl are edited in an anthology by Rictor Norton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Andersen
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 05:59 PM
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15. FDIC Bank Closures - The Buckhead Community Bank, Atlanta, GA
Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 06:02 PM by DemReadingDU
Information for The Buckhead Community Bank, Atlanta, GA

On Friday, December 4, 2009, The Buckhead Community Bank, Atlanta, GA with six branches was closed by the Georgia Department of Banking and Finance, and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) was named Receiver. No advance notice is given to the public when a financial institution is closed.
The branch offices are:

* The Sandy Springs Community Bank, Sandy Springs, GA
* The Midtown Community Bank, Atlanta, GA
* The Alpharetta Community Bank, Alpharetta, GA
* The Cobb Community Bank, Atlanta, GA
* The Forsyth Community Bank, Cumming, GA
* The Hall Community Bank, Gainesville, GA

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/buckheadcommunity.html

Edit to add bank name in subject line
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 06:01 PM
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16. First Security National Bank, Norcross, GA

Information for First Security National Bank, Norcross, GA

On December 4, 2009, First Security National Bank, Norcross, GA was closed by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) was named Receiver. No advance notice is given to the public when a financial institution is closed.

The FDIC has assembled useful information regarding your relationship with this institution. Besides a checking account, you may have Certificates of Deposit, a car loan, a business checking account, a commercial loan, a Social Security direct deposit, and other relationships with the institution. The FDIC has compiled the following information, which should answer many of your questions.

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/firstsecurity.html
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 06:30 PM
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17.  The Tattnall Bank, Reidsville, GA

Information for The Tattnall Bank, Reidsville, GA

On December 4, 2009, The Tattnall Bank, Reidsville, GA was closed by the Georgia Department of Banking and Finance, and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) was named Receiver. No advance notice is given to the public when a financial institution is closed.

The FDIC has assembled useful information regarding your relationship with this institution. Besides a checking account, you may have Certificates of Deposit, a car loan, a business checking account, a commercial loan, a Social Security direct deposit, and other relationships with the institution. The FDIC has compiled the following information, which should answer many of your questions.

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/tattnall.html

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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 06:31 PM
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18.  AmTrust Bank, Cleveland, OH

Information for AmTrust Bank, Cleveland, OH

On Friday, December 4, 2009, AmTrust Bank, Cleveland, OH was closed by the Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS), and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) was named Receiver. No advance notice is given to the public when a financial institution is closed.

The FDIC has assembled useful information regarding your relationship with this institution. Besides a checking account, you may have Certificates of Deposit, a car loan, a business checking account, a commercial loan, a Social Security direct deposit, and other relationships with the institution. The FDIC has compiled the following information, which should answer many of your questions.

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/amtrust.html

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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 06:35 PM
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20. ...
The 66 branches of AmTrust Bank will reopen during their normal business hours beginning tomorrow as branches of New York Community Bank. Depositors of AmTrust Bank will automatically become depositors of New York Community Bank. Deposits will continue to be insured by the FDIC, so there is no need for customers to change their banking relationship to retain their deposit coverage. Customers should continue to use their existing branches until New York Community Bank can fully integrate the deposit records of AmTrust Bank.

...

As of October 27, 2009, AmTrust Bank had total assets of approximately $12.0 billion and total deposits of approximately $8.0 billion. New York Community Bank did not pay a premium to assume all of the deposits of AmTrust Bank. In addition to assuming all of the deposits of the failed bank, New York Community Bank agreed to purchase approximately $9.0 billion in assets of AmTrust Bank. The FDIC will retain the remaining assets for later disposition.

The FDIC and New York Community Bank entered into a loss-share transaction on approximately $6.0 billion of AmTrust Bank's assets. New York Community Bank will share in the losses on the asset pools covered under the loss-share agreement. The loss-share transaction is projected to maximize returns on the assets covered by keeping them in the private sector. The transaction also is expected to minimize disruptions for loan customers. For more information on loss share, please visit: http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/lossshare/index.html.

...

As part of this transaction, the FDIC will acquire a cash participant instrument. This will serve as additional consideration for the transaction. The FDIC estimates that the cost to the Deposit Insurance Fund (DIF) will be $2.0 billion.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:54 PM
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26. $2 Billion! Jeebus!
The FDIC is firmly in the red after tonight's wave of bank seizures.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:09 PM
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29. But Look At All the Nifty Paper in Colors And Engravings They Get in Exchange
More toxic sludge. If the government had arteries, it would be in coronary intensive care.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 06:34 PM
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19. Tattnall Bank, Reidsville, GA, AmTrust Bank, Cleveland, OH
Two more making up for the Thanksgiving weekend.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:00 PM
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21. Benchmark Bank, Aurora, IL

Information for Benchmark Bank, Aurora, IL

On Friday, December 4, 2009, Benchmark Bank, Aurora, IL was closed by the Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation - Division of Banking, and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) was named Receiver. No advance notice is given to the public when a financial institution is closed.

The FDIC has assembled useful information regarding your relationship with this institution. Besides a checking account, you may have Certificates of Deposit, a car loan, a business checking account, a commercial loan, a Social Security direct deposit, and other relationships with the institution. The FDIC has compiled the following information, which should answer many of your questions.

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/benchmark-il.html

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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 10:21 PM
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44. Wasn't Aurora the name Disney gave to Sleeping Beauty?
I mean, just keeping with the theme here. . . . . .


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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 03:07 AM
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49. Fascinating Discussion of Sleeping Beauty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_Beauty

Much too complicated for WEE.

http://www.fln.vcu.edu/grimm/dorneng.html

Disney simplified it considerably, eliminating the 100 years of sleep, among other complications. The 100 years played up the considerable cultural changes due to passage of time--perhaps the beginning of all time-travel fictions!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-6fYCMqSN4

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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 07:39 AM
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56. Yes, she was named Aurora, renamed Briar-Rose by the three good fairies

The three good fairies disguised themselves as peasant women and sneaked Aurora away with them to a woodland cottage until her sixteen birthday lapses, passing themselves off as her aunts.

http://tinyurl.com/ya3ebtu


One of these days, I will re-read all these fairy tales. There has to be books of Grimm's and Andersen's somewhere in my house from when my kids were small.


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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:47 PM
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24. Greater Atlantic Bank, Reston, VA

Information for Greater Atlantic Bank, Reston, VA

On December 4, 2009, Greater Atlantic Bank, Reston, VA, was closed by the Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS), and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) was named Receiver. No advance notice is given to the public when a financial institution is closed.

The FDIC has assembled useful information regarding your relationship with this institution. Besides a checking account, you may have Certificates of Deposit, a car loan, a business checking account, a commercial loan, a Social Security direct deposit, and other relationships with the institution. The FDIC has compiled the following information, which should answer many of your questions.

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/atlantic-va.html

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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 02:59 AM
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48. Chairman of troubled Greater Atlantic Bank boasts stellar resume
Washington Business Journal - by Bryant Ruiz Switzky Staff Reporter
Friday, June 12, 2009 | Modified: Wednesday, June 17, 2009

It’s no secret that Greater Atlantic Bank is on the brink, but the bank’s downfall is perhaps less interesting than the juxtaposition posed by one of the men charged with propping it up: Charles Calomiris, chairman of Greater Atlantic Financial Corp.

On paper, Calomiris appears to be among the least likely people to preside over a bungled bank. He is an internationally recognized authority on the banking and financial markets and has the kind of well-heeled credentials that are hard to overstate.

Calomiris, who did not respond to several calls and e-mails seeking comment for this story, is the Henry Kaufman Professor of Financial Institutions at Columbia Business School and program coordinator for bank performance and the economy at the FDIC’s Center for Financial Research.

He has served as a consultant to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks and gives congressional testimony on financial matters. His bio on the FDIC’s Web site touts him as “one of the country’s leading authorities on financial institutions. … He advises numerous firms, agencies and governments on the performance and regulation of financial institutions.”

/... http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2009/06/15/story2.html
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:50 PM
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25. So - this is why the metro Atlanta area smells like pizza tonight.
What a day! I wonder if FDIC had to truck in extra help for so many closings.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:04 PM
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27. Good Heavens! Thank You, DemReadingDU!
Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 08:05 PM by Demeter
It figures, the day we have a family dinner all hell breaks loose.

Let's see, total damages estimated:

Greater Atlantic Bank, Reston, Virginia--$35 million.

As of October 20, 2009, Greater Atlantic Bank had total assets of approximately $203.0 million and total deposits of approximately $179.0 million. Sonabank did not pay the FDIC a premium for the deposits of Greater Atlantic Bank. In addition to assuming all of the deposits of the Greater Atlantic Bank, Sonabank agreed to purchase essentially all of the assets.

Benchmark Bank, Aurora, Illinois--$64 million

As of November 16, 2009, Benchmark Bank had total assets of approximately $170.0 million and total deposits of approximately $181.0 million. MB Financial Bank, N.A. did not pay the FDIC a premium for the deposits of Benchmark Bank. In addition to assuming all of the deposits of the failed bank, MB Financial Bank, N.A. agreed to purchase essentially all of the assets.

AmTrust Bank, Cleveland, Ohio--$2.0 billion. WITH A B

As of October 27, 2009, AmTrust Bank had total assets of approximately $12.0 billion and total deposits of approximately $8.0 billion. New York Community Bank did not pay a premium to assume all of the deposits of AmTrust Bank. In addition to assuming all of the deposits of the failed bank, New York Community Bank agreed to purchase approximately $9.0 billion in assets of AmTrust Bank. The FDIC will retain the remaining assets for later disposition...As part of this transaction, the FDIC will acquire a cash participant instrument. This will serve as additional consideration for the transaction. http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/lossshare/index.html

Furthermore, the FDIC transferred to New York Community Bank all qualified financial contracts to which AmTrust was a party.

The Tattnall Bank, Reidsville, Georgia--$13.9 million

As of September 30, 2009, The Tattnall Bank had total assets of $49.6 million and total deposits of approximately $47.3 million. HeritageBank of the South did not pay the FDIC a premium for the deposits of The Tattnall Bank. In addition to assuming all of the deposits of the failed bank, HeritageBank of the South agreed to purchase $48.5 million of the failed bank's assets. The FDIC retained the remaining assets for later disposition.

First Security National Bank, Norcross, Georgia--$30.1 million

As of September 30, 2009, First Security National Bank had total assets of approximately $128.0 million and total deposits of approximately $123.0 million. State Bank and Trust Company did not pay the FDIC a premium for the deposits of First Security National Bank. In addition to assuming all of the deposits of the failed bank, State Bank and Trust Company agreed to purchase approximately $118.0 million of the failed bank's assets. The FDIC retained the remaining assets for later disposition.

The Buckhead Community Bank, Atlanta, Georgia--$241.4 million

As of November 6, 2009, The Buckhead Community Bank had total assets of approximately $874.0 million and total deposits of approximately $838.0 million. State Bank and Trust Company did not pay the FDIC a premium for the deposits of The Buckhead Community Bank. In addition to assuming all of the deposits of the failed bank, State Bank and Trust Company agreed to purchase essentially all of the failed bank's assets.


THAT'S A TOTAL COST OF $2.38 BILLION AND CHANGE--ESTIMATED!

AND GEORGIA IS ADDING TO ITS COMMANDING LEAD IN NUMBER OF FAILED BANKS AGAIN. GO GEORGIA!


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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:15 PM
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31. Thanks Demeter for adding up the amounts

It's more important to have family dinner than waiting on bank closures!
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:20 PM
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32. We're Number One! We're Number One! We're Number One!
:woohoo:

This is what happens when you give redneck Republican types neckties and tell them to start running things.

Ooh! Did I just say that?



Guess so.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:33 PM
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34. Veritaserum in the Koolaid, Gets 'Em Every Time!
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 09:00 PM
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39. You weren't wrong.
They think running a bank is like running the local Sheriffs office.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 03:34 AM
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52. Georgia? Chickenfeed compared to Cleveland.
Edited on Sat Dec-05-09 03:35 AM by Ghost Dog
(Men Laughing)

Hello?
Mr. Dickinson?

Who the hell are you?
And where did you get that goddamn clown suit? Cleveland?

Well, actually, yes, sir.
I did, uh, get it in Cleveland.

What the hell are you doin' in my office?

Well, l-l-I came to talk about my job.

The only job you're gonna get in here is pushin' up daisies from a pine box.
Now get out.

Thank you very much, sir.

Back to work, Mr. Olafsen.

( Blake ) Excuse me.
( Piano )

...


(Jim Jarmusch's Dead Man Script - Dialogue Transcript: http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/d/dead-man-script-transcript-jarmusch.html)
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Po_d Mainiac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 10:42 AM
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74. A recent article compared losses during the S&L crisis
to the present. Something in the range of 13% turned out to be toxic assets then. Today the figure is several multiples of that. The delay in shutting these failed banks down is costing the FDIC, (read: bank customers :grr:) unnecessary billions in additional losses.

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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:08 PM
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28. How did 375k people just simply disappear?
Presto! Unemployed people vanish before your very eyes

...
The first and most obvious thing that jumped out at me was how the civilian labor force dropped by nearly 100,000 people, in both the seasonally adjusted (SA) and non-seasonally adjusted (NSA) numbers. The number of people not in the labor force climbed about 290,000, both SA and NSA. That brought up the obvious question of: where did those people vanish from?

The number of employed went up by 227,000 in the headline, seasonally adjusted numbers (only 47,000 in the non-seasonally adjusted numbers). Therefore it wasn't the employed that got dropped off the labor force.

It turns out that 375,000 unemployed people (SA) simply vanished from the numbers like magic. Houdini would be envious. How is that possible? Did all these unemployed people suddenly get independently wealthy and no longer need a job?


more at link: charts, additional analysis and raw data
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:15 PM
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30. Pixie Dust!
Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 08:16 PM by Demeter
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 09:03 PM
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40. 300,000 people hit the Powerball, and moved to the Bahamas.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 03:48 AM
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53. Unpersons
Main Entry: un·per·son
Pronunciation: \ˈən-ˈpər-sən, -ˌpər-\
Function: noun
Date: 1949

: an individual who usually for political or ideological reasons is removed completely from recognition or consideration - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Unperson


An unperson is a person who has been "vaporized"; who has been not only killed by the state, but effectively erased from existence. Such a person would be written out of existing books, photographs, and articles so that no trace of their existence could be found in the historical record. The idea is that such a person would, according to the principles of doublethink, be forgotten completely (for it would be impossible to provide evidence of their existence), even by close friends and family members. Mentioning his or her name, or even speaking of their past existence, is thoughtcrime; the concept that the person may have existed at one time and has disappeared cannot be expressed in Newspeak. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Newspeak_words
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:57 AM
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71. Hmm... Not unlike the "un-dead".
Perhaps this accounts for the current social fascination with Vampires and the denizens of the dark.

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:32 PM
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33. Why Obama Won't Do What's Needed to Deal With the Mortgage Crisis By David Fiderer
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Why-Obama-Won-t-Do-What-s-by-David-Fiderer-091201-775.html


Beware of national averages like “One in Four Borrowers Is Underwater.” The problem is heavily concentrated in places like Phoenix, where 54% of homeowners with mortgages have negative equity. That's about half a million underwater mortgages, more than the combined totals in Texas and New York state, where 10 times as many people live.

University of Arizona law professor Brent T. White says anyone with negative home equity should simply walk away. Arizona, like California, is a non-recourse state, where a home lender cannot legally pursue repayment beyond the value of the underlying collateral.

The situation looks much worse in America's Dubai, Las Vegas. Almost three-quarters of Las Vegas homeowners with mortgages have negative equity or near negative equity. A lot of them are really underwater. Almost half of Nevada homeowners with mortgages have negative equity in excess of 25%. The total residential mortgage debt in Nevada is 1.14 times the value of the underlying real estate.

The majority of America's underwater mortgages, about 5.5 million, are located in the four sand states: California, Florida, Arizona and Nevada, according to a new study by First American Core Logic. That's where homeowners face each month with a renewed sense of anxiety. Many wonder if the next mortgage payment means throwing away good money after bad. And almost all wonder how the next foreclosure will affect neighborhood property values, and the fabric of their community.

Don't feel smug if you live elsewhere, say Deutsche Bank analysts Karen Weaver and Ying Shen. By 2011, they predict,one half of all American homeowners will have negative equity, plus another 20% who will have borderline negative equity. They expect the New York market, which so far has held up fairly well, to collapse. By 2011, they estimate, three-quarters of homeowners in the New York-White Plains-Wayne, NY-NJ market will be underwater.

Whichever numbers you accept, it's clear that the size of this mortgage crisis dwarfs everything else, including healthcare reform, the war in Iraq and social security. America's $11 trillion in home mortgage debt is 45% larger than public debt owed by the federal government. And half of that $11 trillion was lent or guaranteed by Government Sponsored Enterprises like Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. It's not just the solvency of the GSEs that's at stake; it's the health of the overall economy. Federal revenues were down by$400 billion this year because people have less taxable income.

President Obama will issue admonishments to the banks. Robert Reich says we should change the bankruptcy laws to allow for cramdowns. All well and good, but it's unrealistic to hope that banks will fill the vacuum of leadership at the top. We're talking about sorting out the problems of 10 to 15 million individual mortgage loans. The financial incentives are too fragmented and too misaligned and too nontransparent for any private party to sort out the mess. Given the numbers involved, these mortgage problems are too big, and too interconnected, to be resolved on a scattershot basis in a dysfunctional marketplace.

If the government wants the job done right, it must do the heavy lifting itself. Here are the three proposals to untangle the mortgage mess:

1.Perform due diligence on all borrowers at risk.

Step one is to find out what's going on with each distressed borrower. It's a very time consuming and labor intensive job, which is why no one wants to do it. It requires a face-to-face meeting with the borrower, plus independent verification of a borrower's employment and income, his financial assets and obligations. It requires figuring out if the borrower would be motivated to continue servicing the loan if it were reduced to an amount below the property's current market value.

Each delinquent mortgage loan is a multi-layered story. Some borrowers took out mortgages as part of a flipping scheme. Some, who took out loan they could not afford, were deceived by dishonest mortgage brokers. Others took out a fully-documented 80% loan on a house that lost 50% in market value. All the evidence shows that mortgage fraud went viral during the real estate boom.

The root cause of the mortgage meltdown, and most other financial scandals, was that everyone piggybacked off of somebody else's due diligence, which was never performed properly in the first place. As a substitute, investors relied on credit ratings and financial models that were fatally flawed. Now that millions of borrowers are in trouble, everyone acts as if the situation can sort itself out on its own. If we really want to take charge of the problem, the federal government should temporarily hire 50,000 people to perform actual due diligence on these borrowers and loans. The private parties who contributed to the situation don't have the same incentive to do things right. They're conflicted.

2. Nationalize loan servicing for private label mortgage securitizations.

When mortgage loans are sold to securitizations, the loan servicing process is outsourced to a company that has no financial stake in the loans and has all sorts of incentives to play all sorts of tricks on the borrowers. The loan servicer is ostensibly acting on behalf of the security holders, who, because if different levels of subordination, have varied and conflicting claims. The problem is compounded by the fact that none of the private label mortgage securities have standardized loan documentation or workout policies. The incentives are very different when a bank keeps a loan on its own books, or when Fannie Mae guarantees mortgage-backed securities. In those instances, one creditor has a singular financial interest in working out the best possible solution for a problem loan.

By nationalizing this function, the federal government would be able to assure that the workout function would be done with honesty and integrity.

3.Create a transparent national registry for every ownership claim, including every derivative claim, on a mortgage securitization.

Here's a very common scenario in loan workout negotiations. Several creditors agree to some kind of temporary forbearance to keep the borrower out of bankruptcy. But one holdout creditor shows no flexibility. He prefers to push the borrower into bankruptcy, even if it means that the eventual recovery will be far less. The holdout owns a credit default swap, kept secret from everyone else, that will reimburse him immediately. With complex securitizations and credit default swaps, the opportunities for bad faith dealings in debt restructuring grow exponentially.

The only way to achieve an orderly and fair workout process is to clarify who comes to the table with clean hands.

Once the government assembles the data of what's actually happening, it can assert pressure to enforce an orderly and reasonable restructuring of America's financial albatross.

Of course, this approach holds political peril. It's easier to harangue against the banks than it is to take responsibility for the mess created by someone else. Any kind of government intervention is red meat for the tea bagging crowd. Remember how it all started in February 2009?

Do we really want to subsidize the losers' mortgages? This is America! How many of you people want to pay for your neighbor's mortgage? President Obama, are you listening?" We're thinking of having a Chicago Tea Party in July. All you capitalists that want to show up to Lake Michigan, I'm gonna start organizing.

CNBC's Rick Santelli, who disclaimed any political affiliation after his famous rant, provided inspiration forLarry Kudlowand countless others. You would think that people would have wised up by now. But consider this, the sand states' economies are all blighted by record multi-year droughts. Yet large blocks of voters are still brainwashed by a cable network that says global warming is not real.

Finally, here are the numbers, simplified:

Source:First American CoreLogic

Sources:Federal Reserve,Congressional Budget Office




Author's Bio: For over 20 years, David has been a banker covering the energy industry for several global banks in New York. Currently, he is working on several journalism projects dealing with corporate and political corruption that, so far, have escaped serious scrutiny by mainstream media. He is trained as a lawyer.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:37 PM
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35. Nationalize Money Creation: Taking back Money Creation from the Federal Reserve By Scott Baker
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Natioanlize-Money-Creation-by-Scott-Baker-091202-565.html


It's time - near the 100th anniversary of the Federal Reserve act of 1913 - to seriously question what this institution is doing for us. In its 96 year history it has - neatly - devalued the American Dollar by 96 cents. At the rate they are pumping out money, they will likely devalue the dollar another 3 cents - 99 cents total - by their Centennial. It cannot go to zero! Of even greater concern, perhaps, is the growth in the debt.

Stephen Zarlenga's American Monetary Institute agrees with Ellen Brown's recent article "Lessons from the Japanese: Time to Stop Borrowing Money and Start Printing It" but goes even further. You can read about the work of Dr. Stephen Zarlenga, who documents in his book, "The Lost Science of Money" how private bankers have systematically, over hundreds of years, sought to privatize the sovereign right to produce money. They finally succeeded in the U.S. with the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 - other countries, such as Japan, quickly followed the flawed U.S. model. Why flawed? Because, as Ellen points out, we have to borrow every dime - well, actually, everything except the dimes...nickels, quarters and pennies - from the mostly private Federal Reserve. The U.S. Mint prints only 7% of the money supply.

Right now, over 20% of our national budget goes to repaying the debt, and that will only go higher as our indebtedness grows. Both Ellen Brown and Stephen Zarlenga point out there is no reason for this, but Zarlenga also documents how governments have historically done a much better job of creating money (which is distinct from banking, which can remain a private business). Zarlenga goes further with the American Monetary Institute's American Monetary Act, which is endorsed by Rep. Kucinich, among others and which would return the production of money back to Congress, where Article 1, section 8 of the Constitution says it belongs.

Most importantly, instead of borrowing money, Congress would simply print it, under the AMA, and the proceeds would go towards things like rebuilding the infrastructure (2.2 Trillion), Education, Universal Health Insurance etc. Inflationary? No, because these are all things that contribute to national wealth, so they would only increase the wealth pie, as opposed to war spending, which actually destroys wealth - and lives - but enriches banks who loan to the government to buy tanks, planes etc.

In contrast, the money spent on these necessary, and in many cases, green services, would eventually "trickle down" to the banks to make loans for other things. It's the reverse of what we do now - borrowing from the banks to pay ourselves. Instead, the banks would receive money from private citizens and companies paid directly by the government to go out and build bridges, set up schools, hire doctors etc. It would not be borrowed money either, but just...money.

Most radically, the AMA calls for the end of the fractional reserve system. I heard Zarlenga speak at the Henry George School in NYC recently (he is a big fan of George). At first I thought the AMA ought to be inflationary - that is the first and most common reaction, Zarlenga told me - but it is not if you actually look at the historical record. True, too much money chasing too few goods produces inflation, but a newly reorganized Federal Reserve, subsumed under the Treasury for the first time, would see that doesn't happen by not producing too much money at once. Congress would authorize the creation of money to make up the difference from what it collects in taxes, and what it spends, but it wouldn't have to borrow it and pay interest!

Government created money - from the original Continental Scripts to the Lincoln Greenbacks - has worked in the past, Zarlenga informs us in the first 23 chapters of his book (or, in the movie, "The Money Masters" which is based on Zarlenga's work), except when undercut by counterfeiters, such as Adam Smith's favorite - the Bank of England. (See also: "A Nation of Counterfeiters" by Stephen Mihm). Smith was working for the BOE indirectly through his benefactors, and was a major contributor to the propaganda that private banks manage money production better than public governments, democratically elected. If you look at the record of Federal Reserve managed economies everywhere, there has been runaway inflation, and periodic recessions and even depressions, plus unemployment. Some fiscal management!

I'm not sure I would go as far as Zarlenga but if you couple modest fractional reserve banking at the old ratio of 10:1 loans to assets (instead of the hyper-leveraged 100:1 or beyond currently enjoyed by such derivative players as JP Morgan who have some $85 Trillion in derivative contracts), and add in Henry George's Tax on Natural Resources with no tax on wages, true capital (tractors, factories, and other 'hard' assets), or sales, you would have a very different world than we have now. You would have a world that is not chronically in debt to banks (who benefit while the debtors suffer, even in extreme poverty. See the recent movie put out by the Henry George School of New York City: The End of Poverty? to see how the developed nations profit from the debt of the developing nations).

The country is not poor, it is the people who are poor. Debt is not inevitable. The richest 1% owning 80% of the nation's wealth (Zarlenga says it's only 50%, but I think his figures are out of date, and Michael Moore quotes Citibank as saying it is 1% owning 90% of the wealth in "Capitalism: A Love Story" which I reviewed here) is not inevitable. Spending credit (as opposed to money) on wars and unfunded tax cuts for the already wealthy is not inevitable. All of these things are deliberate policies carried out over years of purposeful attempts, which have now succeeded, to monopolize national and international wealth in all its forms.

We, the People, have to take back our wealth. It comes from us - from labor working on the natural resources of the world to create true wealth, NOT from credit-backed capital investments creating...well, they can't really create anything. A dollar bill cannot get up and create a road. A loan is even more powerless. Creating a road, a school, a solar thermal power plant, takes workers - who then expect to be paid with money. Get it? Labor creates wealth, usually with the aid of true capital (like bulldozers), but not necessarily (OEN Editors, like me, produce labor to create the site - without getting paid anything. I still think it is one of the most important contributions I make to society, even though capital never comes into it). Capital alone creates nothing.

We can re-nationalize the power to create money and make it a sovereign right and obligation, again, as it is in the Constitution and ought to be. Support the American Monetary Act.




Author's Bio: Scott Baker is a Senior Editor and Writer at Op Ed News, a Writer for DailyKos, and is the author of Neitherworld - a two-volume novel blending Native American myth, archaeological detail, government conspiracy, with a sci-fi flair. He has a blog: http://newthinking.blogspot.com/ Scott has several progressive petitions on Change.org: Help the Terminator save California (by setting up a State Bank) http://www.change.org/actions/view/help_the_terminator_save_california and A new form of capitalism: Geonomics http://www.change.org/actions/view/a_new_form_of_capitalism_geonomics and Close the Gap (in the NYC Greenway's East Side) http://change.org/actions/view/close_the_gap_2 Scott was an I.T. Manager for New York University for over two decades, where he initiated computing, developed databases, established networks for two major departments and earned a Certificate for Frontline Leadership. He had a video game published in Compute! Magazine. Scott now chooses to use his computer for the greater good. He is a recent graduate of the Henry George School of Social Science in New York City and has had an article published in the Georgist newsletter - Groundswell - put out by Common Ground. Scott is a modern-day Renaissance Man with interests in astronomy, history, natural sciences, psychology, philosophy, Native American culture, and all future-forward topics; he has been called an adept syncretist by Kirkus Discoveries for NeitherWorld. Scott grew up in New York City and Pennsylvania. He graduated with a Bachelor's degree in Psychology from Pennsylvania State University and was a member of the Psychology honor society PSI CHI. Today he is an avid bicyclist and is active in several Green organizations and Progressive organizations such as Transportation Alternatives, East Coast Greenway, Common Ground, and has a presence on Facebook, Change.Org, OpEdNews, and PickensPlan. Scott is a strong proponent of the Georgist Single Tax: "Tax the use (and abuse) of natural resources, not wages or capital," which would dramatically reduce use of finite resources - which, rightfully, belong to all of us, and increase productivity in Earth-saving ways, while virtually eliminating unproductive Speculation (by taxing away the fuel for it) and decrease poverty and Social Injustice.


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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:39 PM
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36. Abolish the Fed and Return Money Creation Power to Congress - by Stephen Lendman
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Abolish-the-Fed-and-Return-by-Stephen-Lendman-091202-487.html


In her extraordinary book, "Web of Debt," financial writer Ellen Brown tells "the shocking truth about our money system, (how it) trapped us in debt, and how we can break free." She quotes banker/developer Reed Simpson saying:


"Credible evidence (reveals) a world (banking) power elite intent on gaining absolute control over the planet and its natural resources, including its subservient human (ones)." It's the Bilderberg Group classless society idea of rulers, serfs, and no middle class by controlling the world's money. What Baron MA Rothschild (1818 - 1874) meant by saying:


"Give me control over a nation's currency and I care not who makes its laws." Today it applies globally.


Money is bankers' "lifeblood,....fear (their) weapon." Ill-used, they'll "enslave nations and ensure perpetual wars and bondage." Brown explained all and proposed a solution.


Congressman Ron Paul has led a congressional campaign to abolish the Federal Reserve by introducing legislation in the 106th, 107th, 108th, and 110th Congresses. Each time it died in committee, but he's not deterred. He believes it's essential to:


-- end a private banking cartel's illegal monopoly over the nation's money supply and price;


-- return that power to Congress as the Constitution's Article I, Section 8 mandates;


-- end a fiat currency system that's dysfunctional, broken and corrupted;


-- return the country to a sound, hard currency monetary system; and/or


-- replace private banking with a public alternative at the federal, state, county, and municipal levels to end Fed dominance, and return the nation to sustainable, productive, stable, non-inflationary growth, free from predatory banker control.


On February 3, Paul again tried (with no co-sponsors) by introducing HR 833: Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act:


"To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes."


It was referred to the House Financial Services Committee where no action so far has been taken.


House and Senate measures, however, are underway to audit the Fed. On February 26, Paul introduced HR 1207: Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009:


"To amend title 31, United States Code, to reform the manner in which the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System is audited by the Comptroller General of the United States and the manner in which such audits are reported, and for other purposes."


It was referred to the House Financial Services Committee where action is now pending. As of November 20, the bill has 313 co-sponsors, a solid majority.


On November 20, the House Financial Services Committee passed the Paul-Grayson "Audit the Fed" amendment 43 - 26. It's an important step forward calling for a comprehensive Fed audit and replaces an earlier introduced weaker one. The amendment also softens HR 3996: Financial Stability Improvement Act of 2009, introduced by Rep. Barney Frank on November 3, now in four House committees, to more greatly empower the Fed, masquerading as protection from further bailouts. The House is expected to vote on HR 1207 in December.


On March 16, Senator Bernie Sanders introduced S 604: Federal Reserve Sunshine Act of 2009:


"A bill to amend title 31, United States code, to reform the manner in which the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System is audited by the Comptroller General of the United States and the manner in which such audits are reported, and for other purposes."


It was referred to the Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee and currently has 30 co-sponsors. A super (three-fifths) majority is needed for passage to thwart a Republican filibuster to stop it.


Origin of the Federal Reserve


In 1910, the following men met secretly on the privately-owned Jekyll Island off the Georgia coast for nine days to change America's financial structure forever. They included:


-- Republican Senator Nelson Aldrich;


-- A. Piat Andrew, Assistant Treasury Secretary;


-- Benjamin Strong, head of JP Morgan's Bankers Trust and later de facto Fed chairman as governor of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, the mother bank;


-- Henry Davison, Sr., JP Morgan partner;


-- Paul Warburg, Kuhn, Loeb & Co. partner, representative for the Rothshilds and Warburgs in Europe, and the main Fed architect;


-- Frank Vanderlip, William Rockefeller representative and president of National City Bank of New York; and


-- Charles Norton, president of 1st National Bank of New York.


On December 23, 1913, they prevailed when Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act to let private bankers control the nation's money and effectively annul the Constitution's Article I, Section 8, mandating only to Congress the power to coin (create) money and regulate the value thereof. Nothing ever since has been the same. Thereafter, "we the people" meant Wall Street, not the "general welfare" or "the blessings of liberty" as the Constitution's Preamble affirms.


Congress established the Fed in the middle of the night by shepherding the legislation through a carefully arranged Congressional Conference Committee meeting between 1:30 - 4:30AM on December 22. It was then enacted the next day when many members were away for the holidays, most others hadn't read it, and it didn't matter for those who did because the text was intentionally vague. The nation's money would be printed by the US Bureau of Engraving and Printing, then issued as a government obligation, or debt, to the private Federal Reserve with interest.


Woodrow Wilson was Morgan's man in the White House with an administration full of his cronies. The Federal Reserve Act was a major coup, giving them what they long wanted and finally got, control over the nation's money and unlimited power with it. According to Brown:


Private bankers got "the exclusive right to 'monetize' the government's debt (that is, print their own money and exchange it for government securities or IOUs)." The obscure language hid the scheme's real aim "to create money out of nothing, lend it to the government at interest, and control the national money supply, expanding or contracting it at will."


Wilson signed the act, then later said:


"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activites are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men" running everything today more than Wilson ever could have imagined.


Ron Paul: "The Federal Reserve Isn't Federal and Has No Reserves" - It's Privately Owned by a Powerful Banking Cartel that Runs America


Dominant member banks own it in each of the 12 Federal Reserve districts. The amount of stock each holds is proportional to its size. As mother bank, the New York Fed is most dominant, owning 53% of all shares because the nation's largest commercial banks are on Wall Street, including JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, and Morgan Stanley. Bank of America was founded in California, remains heavily concentrated in Western and Southwestern states, yet operates globally like the other giants. The same is true for Wells Fargo.


The largest banks are financial superpowers with interests in commercial and investment banking, insurance, real estate, home mortgages, credit cards, and virtually everything related to finance, insurance and real estate globally (the so-called FIRE sector).


The Fed is composed of a Board of Governors in Washington (its headquarters) and the 12 regional Districts/Banks in New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Richmond, Atlanta, Cleveland, Chicago, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City, Dallas, and San Francisco.


Several times previously, the Fed's legitimacy was challenged in federal court to no avail. Each time, the the current system was upheld under which each Federal Reserve Bank was ruled a separate corporation owned by commercial banks in its region. In one case, Lewis v. United States (1982), the Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals held that "federal reserve banks are not federal instrumentalities....but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations (statutorily) empowered to conduct (their affairs) without day to day direction from the federal government." In other words, they're independent of government, can do as they please, and take full advantage as the Federal Reserve Act allows, yet Congress does nothing to deter them.


Madison, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln and Kennedy Disagreed


In 1691, three years before the Bank of England's founding, Massachusetts became the first colony to issue its own money backed by the full faith and credit of the government. Other colonies followed, called "scrip." It freed them from British banks to run their affairs inflation free with no taxes. For over 25 years, they needed none, yet achieved sustained, stable, prosperous growth, the kind impossible under a privately run system. More on that below.


In 1751, colony-based British merchants and financiers got King George II to ban new paper money and force colonial governments to borrow it from UK bankers. In 1764, Benjamin Franklin petitioned to stop it without success. Instead, the Bank of England got Parliament to pass a Currency Act making it illegal for the colonies to issue their own money. It turned prosperity into poverty, the root cause, Franklin believed, for the Revolutionary War.


America's Founders and later presidents railed against bankers. James Madison, called them "Money Changers" saying:


"History records that the Money Changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance."


Thomas Jefferson said:


"I sincerely believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."


Jefferson opposed the first Bank of the United States, Andrew Jackson the second, and both for similar reasons:


-- distrust of profiteers controlling the nation's money; and


-- concern about the nation's banking system falling into foreign hands.


At Jefferson's urging, Congress refused renewal of the first 1811 Bank of the United States charter and discovered on liquidation that two-thirds of its owners were foreigners, mostly British and Dutch, none more influential than the Rothschilds. Later, Madison signed a 20-year charter, but after congressional renewal, Jackson vetoed what he called "a hydra-headed monster" entrapping the nation in debt.


Lincoln feared:


"The money powers prey(ing) upon the nation in times of peace and conspir(ing) against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarch, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than a bureaucracy. It denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at the rear is my greatest foe."


In "Web of Debt," Brown explained that they wanted 24 - 36% interest to fund the North's war on the South. As a result, Lincoln got Congress to pass the 1862 Legal Tender Act empowering the Treasury to issue "Greenbacks," interest free to finance the war and grow the economy prosperously.


In spite of assassination threats before inauguration as well as "treason, insurrection, and national bankruptcy" during his first year in office, he:


-- built the world's largest standing army;


-- defeated the South;


-- turned the country into the world's "greatest industrial giant;"


-- launched the steel industry, a continental railroad system, and a new era of farm machinery and cheap tools;


-- established free higher education;


-- gave settler ownership rights and encouraged land development through the Homestead Act;


-- had government support all branches of science;


-- standardized mass production methods;


-- increased labor productivity by 50 - 75%; and


-- more still "with a Treasury that was completely broke and a Congress that hadn't been paid."


How? By nationalizing banking so government could print its own money, interest free, without paying usury to bankers. As a result, "the economy was jump-started with a 600 percent increase in government spending and cheap credit directed" toward productive growth, the kind impossible under a predatory bank-run financialized system for their own self-interest.


After the war, Lincoln was assassinated, of course. The Legal Tender Act was rescinded. A new national banking act was passed, and money became interest-bearing again in private hands.


Nonetheless, John Kennedy confronted Wall Street by issuing Executive Order (EO) 11110 on June 4, 1963 to:


-- amend EO 10289 (dated September 17, 1951) designating and empowering the Treasury Secretary to perform certain "functions of the President without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President;"


-- perhaps bypass the Fed and empower the president to issue currency; it constitutionally empowered the federal government to create and "issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury;"


-- though not verified, some believe he then ordered the Treasury Secretary to issue nearly $4.3 billion worth of United States Notes, perhaps to replace Federal Reserve Notes; whether or not he planned to end the Federal Reserve System is speculation, but perhaps fearing it, among other reasons, led to his assassination five months later;


-- in 1964, Lyndon Johnson said: "Silver has become too valuable to be used as money;"


-- in late 1963, US Notes were withdrawn from circulation; and


-- noted Fed critic and author of "The Creature from Jekyll Island," G. Edward Griffin, wrote on page 569 of his book:


"There was a third point, however, which everyone seemed to overlook. The Executive Order 11110 did not instruct the Treasury to issue Silver Certificates. It merely authorized it to do so if the occasion should arise. The occasion never arose. The last issuance of Silver Certificates was in 1957....six years before the Kennedy (EO). In 1987 (it) was rescinded by (EO) 12608 signed by Ronald Reagan."


Without mentioning EO 11110, it did it by amending EO 10289, rescinding the Treasury's right to issue silver-backed notes.


Publicly-Run Banks Work


Their history is impressive:


-- in colonial America;


-- under Lincoln;


-- in early 20th century Australia when its Commonwealth Bank created money, made loans, and charged a fraction of privately-charged interest; until they took over, the country had one of the highest living standards in the world;


-- in the Middle Ages under a banker-free tally system;


-- in China for thousands of years before private banking, and today because Beijing directs the semi-independent People's Bank of China to grow the economy and create millions of jobs; and


-- in North Dakota, the only US state with its own bank that sustains its uniqueness and strength; it's one of two states, with Montana, running budget surpluses and the only one creating jobs because, as Brown explains:


"it('s) ha(d) its own credit machine (since) The Bank of North Dakota (BND) was established by the state legislature in 1919, specifically to free farmers and small businessmen from the clutches of out-of-state bankers and railroad men;" ever since, BND was tasked with delivering "sound financial services that promote agriculture, commerce and industry," something no other state can match because they don't have state-owned banks.


Again Brown: It works because bankers can "create 'credit' with accounting entries on their books" through fractional reserve banking that multiplies each deposited dollar magically into about 10 in the form of loans or computer-generated funds. It lets banks re-lend many times over, and the more deposits, the greater amount of lending for sustained, productive growth. If all states owned public banks, they'd be as prosperous as North Dakota, and so would America. Instead, private bankers hold the nation hostage.


Ostensibly, the Fed was established to stabilize the economy, smooth out the business cycle, manage a healthy, sustainable growth rate, and maintain stable prices. In fact, it caused 19 recessions (including the Great Depression and current crisis nowhere near resolved and likely to intensify) and substantial equity market declines each time ranging from 18.8% in 1998 to 89% from October 1929 to July 1932.


In addition, the Fed is directly responsible for inflation and the decline in the US standard of living since 1913, and, besides the Great Depression, especially since the 1970s. From the late 18th century to 1913, virtually no inflation existed under the gold standard, except during times of war. Using government data, it now takes over $2,000 to equal $100 of pre-Fed purchasing power. In other words, a 1913 dollar is worth about a nickel, and given recent dollar weakness, even less.


Operating as a hidden government, Fed-created inflation dilutes purchasing power. It practices usury through interest rate manipulation, forcing borrowers to pay their rates. The income tax was established to pay interest on the national debt that wouldn't exist under a public banking system creating Treasury, not Federal Reserve notes.


The Constitution has no federal tax provision because the Founders believed private income was "the ultimate source of productivity." It wasn't coincidental that the February 13, 1913 16th Amendment (establishing an income tax) was ratified ahead of the year-end establishment of the Fed. It's run the country ever since, and when in trouble, gets the public to bail it out with more tax dollars, enough since 2008 to put a lien on future generations, perhaps in perpetuity unless public pressure forces change that won't come from the top down as long as bankers are in charge.


Congress empowered them to commit grand theft by transferring public wealth to themselves, a process especially virulent since the 1980s under Reaganomics-instituted "trickle-down" designed to trickle up. Ever since:


-- tax cuts for the rich replaced a progressive system;


-- the rich became super-rich;


-- consumer debt soared;


-- record high budget and national debt levels prevail;


-- real wages haven't kept up with inflation;


-- low-paying service jobs replaced higher-paying production ones offshored to low-wage countries;


-- technology-driven productivity pressures employees to work harder for less; and


-- during grim times like today, economic instability, lost jobs, home foreclosures, depleted savings, and personal bankruptcies have created growing poverty, hunger, homelessness, and despair with few measures taken to address them under a system favoring wealth by transferring it from the many to the few.


Privatized money control imperils democracy. If the public doesn't regain it, economic tyranny will prevail and eventually the political kind already entrenched with a strong foothold.


Stephen Lendman is a Research Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization. He lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net.


Also visit his blog site sjlendman.blogspot.com and listen to the Lendman News Hour on RepublicBroadcasting.org Monday - Friday at 10AM US Central time for cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on world and national issues. All programs are archived for easy listening.


http://republicbroadcasting.org/Global%20Research/index.php?cmd=archives.year&ProgramID=33&year=9




Author's Bio: I am a 72 year old, retired, progressive small businessman concerned about all the major national and world issues, committed to speak out and write about them.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 08:52 PM
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37. My Favorite Disney Film Is Probably Dumbo
Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 08:59 PM by Demeter
I especially love the lullaby, and sang it to my own children:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oSdgIDyl6Q&feature=related

I was able to see the circus, in Detroit live, and on TV with Don Ameche, and have fond memories. I did get to take the kids to see Ringling Bros. Barnum and Baileys with the huge elephant, King Tut, in Worcestor, MA, twenty years ago. Will today's kids, raised on Sea world, have any concept?

Goodnight, folks! Sleep well!
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 10:43 PM
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46. I took my kids to the circus too

The Shrine Circus, also Ringling Bros. Barnum and Baileys.

One time, we parked in the back parking lot of the exhibition center. That's where there were many empty parking spaces. When the circus was over, the elephants were almost sitting on our car! Apparently, we must have parked in the elephant's resting area. It's something we still chuckle about.

We also went to Sea World near Cleveland. Funny story there too. We always made sure to watch all the animal shows. We loved the birds that did awesome tricks, the whales, and the seals. The seals would not cooperate. The trainer would give a signal, and the seals would do something opposite. It was quite exasperating for the trainer, but hilarious for the audience.

We would also go to the zoo. In Ohio, we were near the zoo either in Columbus or Cincinnati. Can't remember which zoo, but it happened to be feeding time for the snakes. I can't remember what kind of snake, but it swallowed the whole entire mouse, tail first. Fascinating to watch and see the bulge in the snake.

Then there was the time we went to Kings Island Amusement park. This was when the Smurfs were popular (mid 80s?). Well, the family went on some kind of water ride, it was a hot day, we all got soaking wet. Spouse had worn a new bright blue shirt that when it got wet, turned his skin blue. Instant Papa Smurf, lol.


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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 04:54 AM
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54. Sorry Demeter.....
Hell with Disney, I have proof Obama is a Stepford candidate. The question is-who lobotomized him, Maybe they neutered him instead, I don't know which. He will have to run on his record this next time and not some pretty speeches.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZG8Zq8V54k

loved the tough on Wall Street talk......

Ok.Got that off my chest, i am ready for Disney world.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 07:24 AM
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55. Good find

Says the special interests and lobbyists won't be running the White House. (last 30 seconds)

I think politicians say what they think will get them elected. But then get in office and the 'system' prevents them from carrying out the people's wishes.



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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 07:48 AM
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58. That Was Nauseating
I don't think I can endure the next election. It will be too much cognitive dissonance. My head hurts already.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:04 AM
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59. I think Obama will be one-term

He's escalating the war in Afghanistan, the economy is getting worse (if you can see thru the fake feel-good green shoots), healthcare reform is a sham. With all that, many Dems will sit out the next election. Hell will freeze over before they will vote Republican. And with election shenanigans with those voting machines, the Repubs will win. Or Obama may choose not to run. Either way, I do think Obama will be one-term.

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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 11:27 AM
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86. Maybe, maybe not
As valid as your concerns are, the GOP is so disorganized and the rabid fringe which is in control scares many people away.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:21 AM
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63. We need a stealth candidate.
Life imitates art.

Man of the Year


Dave


Heartbeat Away



Oh, never mind that last; it was a novel I never wrote. Sorry.





Tansy Gold, who slept in until 5:30 because it's Saturday and it's cold
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:03 AM
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68. I thought you've been referring to Dave, the movie

1993
To avoid a potentially explosive scandal when the U.S. President goes into a coma, an affable temp agency owner with an uncanny resemblance, is put in his place.
Starring Kevin Kline and Sigourney Weaver

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106673/


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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:47 AM
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70. I love that movie
Haven't seen it for a while. Local Blockbuster is selling out. I doubt they'd have a copy but maybe I'll go look and see.




Tansy Gold, can be drafted
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 11:07 PM
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90. Ugh. Nauseating is putting it mildly.
"The first thing I will do is protect your tax money."

Well, that went down the rabbit hole in a hurry.





TG
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:08 AM
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60. HISTORY LESSON: A Smart and Simple Tax By William Cox
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24117.htm

December 04, 2009 "ICH" -- The burden of taxation in the United States has been shifted from those who most benefit from our government to those who work the hardest and earn the least. This shrugging of responsibility is not only unfair, it fails to accomplish public policy goals required to move the economy out of recession and the environment out of crisis.

Uncorrected, the heavy burden of taxation borne by workers and small businesses today for the benefit of corporations and the wealthy elite will certainly lead to chaos and violence tomorrow.

It is time to discard our stupid and complex system of taxation and replace it with a smart and simple tax that balances the burden of taxation with the benefits of government.

How It Happened

Commencing in 1817, Congress eliminated all internal taxes and funded the government by tariffs on imported goods. Tariffs increased the cost of goods imported from outside the country, and were primarily paid by the wealthy and larger businesses. Laborers, farmers, and small business owners paid little or no taxes because the goods they consumed were primarily manufactured in the U.S.

Enforced by a new Internal Revenue Service, Congress passed an income tax during the Civil War along with sales, excise and inheritance taxes. The income tax was progressive in that those who earned less than $10,000 only paid 3%, while those who earned more were taxed at a higher rate.

Congress eliminated the income tax in 1868, and although it later flirted with taxing income, the government mainly relied on tariffs and an internal tax on tobacco and liquor for support. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1896 that taxes on income violated the Constitution, since they were not apportioned among the states.

The Sixteenth Amendment in 1913 allowed Congress to tax the incomes of both individuals and corporations. Taxes continued to increase over the years, and with the introduction of payroll withholding in 1943, most Americans were forced to pay a tax on their incomes.

Initially, the wealthy and corporations were taxed more heavily than individuals. When Eisenhower was president, corporations paid approximately a quarter of all federal taxes, the maximum tax rate on top earners was 92%, excise taxes brought in 19% of tax revenue, and most workers paid minimum Social Security payroll taxes.

Today, corporations pay about 12% of income taxes, the maximum rate is only 35% for all those who earn more than $372,950, even those who receive millions or billions each year, and excise taxes have dropped to 3% of revenue.

It gets even worse!

In August 2008, the Government Accountability Office reported that two-thirds of all U.S. corporations and 78% of foreign companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes between 1998 and 2005, even though they booked trillions of dollars in receipts.

The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of the United States was almost $14.2 trillion in 2008. The government took in $1.2 trillion in estimated receipts and sustained an estimated deficit of $390 billion. Approximately 45% of the revenues came from individual income taxes, 36% from Social Security and other payroll taxes, 12% from corporate income taxes, 3% from excise taxes, 1.2% from estate and gift taxes, 1.3% from customs duties, and 1.5% from other sources. The Tax Policy Center calculates that individual income taxes and payroll taxes now account for four out of every five federal revenue dollars.

Current Proposals

It has been proposed that the progressive income tax be eliminated in favor of a single flat rate for everyone in hopes of shutting down the income tax industry and the IRS; however, the proposal has had little traction since it would further shift the tax burden from the wealthy to the working class.

A more popular proposal is known as the Fair Tax. Essentially, the Fair Tax is a national sales tax designed to entirely eliminate the income tax and individual tax filings.

Proponents, including the Cato Institute, envision a tax of 18% to 23% on the final sales of all goods and services. There would be no tax on exports, intermediate business transactions, or security transactions.

To help counteract the inherently regressive effect of sales taxes on the poor, everyone, including the wealthy, would receive monthly rebates allowing the annual expenditure of an amount equal to the federal poverty level to be tax free.

Motivated by the collapse of the banking industry and the current recession, several commentators have proposed a tax on financial transactions to not only raise tax revenues, but to also restrain the insane trading that caused the crash.

Taking into consideration that, in 2008, the annual trading of over-the-counter derivatives amounted to $743 trillion globally, financial author Ellen Hodgson Brown has proposed the imposition of a .005% to 1% tax on the short-term speculation in currency transactions, commodities, stocks and derivatives.

Currently, these transactions are not taxed at all, allowing banks, such as Goldman Sachs, to pay an income tax of only 1%. This, even though Goldman Sachs is gambling with a $167 billion stake using sophisticated trading software that allows it to place high-speed bets that cheat ordinary investors.

Paul Krugman of The New York Times has also endorsed the idea of a financial transaction tax based on the 1972 proposal by James Tobin, a Yale professor who won the Nobel Prize for economics.

It was Tobin's view that the world economy was being disrupted by currency speculation in which money moved around the world as bets on the fluctuations in exchange rates. Tobin believed that the imposition of a small tax on every currency transaction would disrupt the currency gamblers, while imposing a trivial burden on those legitimately engaged in foreign trade or long-term investment.

Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research believes a modest 0.25% "financial transactions tax" on the trade of stocks, futures, credit default swaps, and other financial instruments would produce more than $140 billion a year. He believes that it is only fair to have the financial sector bear the brunt of the tax, rather than workers, who would have to pay a national sales or value-added tax.

Adair Turner, the Chairman of England's Financial Services Authority, has proposed a tax on all financial transactions to discourage "socially useless" activities. Prime Minister Gordon Brown endorsed the proposal, which he presented to the Group of 20 meeting in November.

Although U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner disagreed with Brown, saying a "day-by-day" tax on speculation is "not something we're prepared to support," President Obama has signaled he might consider new fees on financial companies engaging in "far out transactions."

House Democratic leaders are currently considering a tax on financial transactions to fund a jobs bill, and Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-OR) actually introduced a bill to tax short-term speculation in some securities earlier this year.

An Even Smarter and Simpler Tax

Wouldn't it be more sensible and much fairer to simply tax the movement of all money in our economy? Not a sales tax, not a value-added tax, not a flat income tax, not a speculation tax, but rather a simple toll on every financial transaction that occurs within our economic system. Not just every time you buy a pack of chewing gum, but every time stocks and bonds are bought and sold, every time currencies are traded, and every time Haliburton invests in a new oil rig.

Since the working-, middle- and small-business-classes have far fewer and much smaller financial transactions, the wealthy and the multinational corporations, who always have to spend a lot of money to avoid having any "taxable income," would have to share proportionally in paying the toll for their traffic on our economic highway and their use of our courts and institutions to enforce their contracts and to facilitate their profits. Why should so many of our largest corporations completely escape the payment of any taxes?

It is likely that the federal government could operate on the revenues produced by a simple transaction tax of much less than 10% on the movement of money. In addition, the payment of taxes would shift to those who most benefit from the services of our government, from individuals to the corporations and from the laboring poor to the wealthy elite.

Envision the effect of a slight touch every time money moves, a tiny ka-ching in the U.S. Treasury's cash register, which in the aggregate would quickly add up to more than a trillion dollars each year. Think about the debate in Congress as to whether the tax rate should be 6.25% or 6.27% for the next year. The difference could produce billions.

Imagine that most of us might only have to pay an annual tax rate of perhaps 6.25% on our spending (income). The transaction tax would result in an increase in the overall cost of the goods and services we purchase; however, the toll would apply to all financial transactions, including the purchase of limousines and spas by the wealthy, who rely on every imaginable scheme to avoid having any "income" upon which to pay taxes.

Those who enjoy luxuries would pay more for them, and those who gamble in the money markets would have to pay for their visit to the economic casino.

A tax on all financial transactions would be far more equitable than a "flat" income tax, which would eliminate the progressive tax rates that require a greater contribution from those who most profit from our economy. A flat income tax would further shift the burden of taxation from corporations and the wealthy, who hide their money, to the rest of us who have our taxes withheld from our salaries.

There would, however, be a benefit for the wealthy in that a transaction tax would eliminate the progressive income tax rates to the extent they still exist. The rich would simply pay their fair share based on what they spend and upon their monetary manipulations.

A transaction tax would be similar in some respects to a value-added tax; however, it would apply to all financial transactions, including those intermediate sales involved in the production of all goods and services, not just in manufacturing, and it would be paid at every stage, not just at the end.

A transaction tax was believed to pose impossible accounting problems when first proposed by James Tobin 40 years ago; however, computer technology now allows for instantaneous posting of all financial transactions. Just as a worker's income tax contribution is withheld from his or her payroll check every week, it should be possible for the tax on financial transactions be paid every single day at the close of business.

Policy Issues

To encourage savings, money invested in Social Security, federally-insured savings accounts, 401(k)s, IRAs, and the earned interest should not be taxed until it is withdrawn and spent.

To encourage investment, capital gains should not be taxed until they are realized and spent, and investments should not be taxed until they are sold and the proceeds are spent.

To encourage giving, donors should not be taxed; however, the recipient should pay a tax when the gift is received or the money is spent.

A smart and simple tax would operate somewhat like the income tax in that individuals and corporations would have to prepare an annual tax report, rather than as a sales tax where the revenue is collected at the time of the transaction. For most individuals, businesses and corporations the preparation of tax returns would be greatly simplified.

Let's say a married couple earns $100,000 of joint income. Employers would still file 1099 and W2 forms, and the couple would file a return setting forth their "income." They would then deduct the amount paid for their own health insurance, including Medicare payments, and further reduce their transactions by the amount paid into social security, IRAs, 401k plans, and into federally insured savings accounts.

Tax payers could further reduce the amount earned by what they gave away.

When all the deductions are added up and credited against their income, the difference would be what they had actually "spent" for the year. That would be the amount taxed - at a very low rate.

There would also be great benefits to businesses and corporations. To the extent they are owned by U.S. citizens and that salaries are paid to citizens, businesses, corporations and other organizations should not have to pay a transaction tax on their payroll, as salaries would be directly passed through to their employees to spend (and to be taxed).

Thus, if 100% of a corporation's stock is owned by American citizens, or other businesses or corporations that are in turn owned entirely by American citizens, the corporation should not have to pay any taxes on the salaries paid to American workers. Or, if 50% is owned by citizens, the corporation should only have to pay half of the payroll transaction tax.

The transaction tax would be paid on payrolls to American workers by foreign owners as the price of their access to the services of our healthy and well-educated workers and to our free-market economy and system of justice.

Payrolls paid to foreign workers by American corporations would also be subject to the transaction tax, as the money would not pass through into our economy. Wouldn't this policy slow down the current trend of "outsourcing" American jobs offshore to other countries?

Inasmuch as there is a movement of money when foreign imports cross our borders, tariffs could be replaced by the up-front collection of the transaction tax when foreign corporations transfer their products to their American subsidiaries or when they sell to American businesses. The movement of goods into and out of the United States would represent a taxable transaction.

Foreign registration and ownership of U.S. patents, copyrights, and other legal protections should also carry a toll on all protected transactions, requiring non-citizens to share the cost of our courts to enforce their rights.

While a good case might be made for a few public policy tax deductions or exemptions, such as the interest on home mortgages and other state and local taxes, the final result should be a very broad-based, smart and simple tax that benefits everyone.

Last Word

We do not have to willing endure corrupt government and unfair taxation. We, who pay the taxes, must make the essential decisions about the methods of taxation and the level of payment. Otherwise, we live in slavery and our freedoms are illusionary.

William John Cox is a retired prosecutor and public interest lawyer, author and political activist. His 2004 book, You're Not Stupid! Get the Truth: A Brief on the Bush Presidency is reviewed at http://www.yourenotstupid.com, and he is currently working on a fact-based fictional political philosophy. His writings are collected at http://www.votersevolt.com, and he can be contacted at u2cox@msn.com.

MANY SUPPORTIVE LINKS IN ORIGINAL LINK
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:38 AM
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69. You lost me at the chewing gum. But seems to me if you want to know the real basis for teabagger
rage, it lies in these words:

"The burden of taxation in the United States has been shifted from those who most benefit from our government to those who work the hardest and earn the least."

Which is part of the reason I mistrust any idea that has working people paying taxes on their groceries and kids' shoes.

But that shift in the tax burden - unaddressed by the Democrats, aided and abetted for that matter by the Democrats has left people without the resources to analyze the root of the problem to direct their ire at the most visible target - "Big Gubm't." An error taken full advantage of by our corporate masters, who use it to great effect.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:26 AM
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65. OMG. Neel Kashkari has a doomstead
Edited on Sat Dec-05-09 08:27 AM by DemReadingDU
click link for pictures of his doomstead

12/5/09 The $700 billion man By Laura Blumenfeld

NEVADA COUNTY, CALIF. -- He wears no coat though it's freezing, shines no light though it's near midnight, carries no shotgun though he's tramping on the pine-needled tracks of black bears.

He wants to be lost in these woods.

"Come on, you bums," Neel Kashkari calls to his dogs, two giant Newfoundlands. "Boys, let's go."

He is walking through the smoke of a controlled burn in the Sierra Nevadas. He is talking about the people and the life he left behind in Washington.

" . . . and it wasn't about politics, they were non-political. These people were killing themselves -- in Don's case, literally."

The moon hits his stubble, which is six days old. And the sweater he hasn't changed in three or four days. His BlackBerry -- he can't kick it -- rang once today. A year ago in D.C., it buzzed every few seconds. All night, he'd roll over to its bluish glow. His Treasury Department assistant slept with hers, powered up, on her pillow.

"It's like a dream," Kashkari says, his work boots crunching pine cones. "Sometimes I think: Was it real?"

It all began as it ended, abruptly. Kashkari was a 35-year-old business school graduate from a suburb of Akron, Ohio, who had gone to Washington in 2006 to learn how government worked. Then came the recession, and through a freakish set of circumstances, mixing pluck, cataclysm and luck, he was appointed by Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson as the federal bailout chief.

Suddenly, he was in charge of $700 billion.

Congress savaged him. Wall Street Journal editorials doubted him. His home-town buddies urged him to use the money to buy the Cleveland Browns and fire the coaches. His wife spoke to him so rarely, she described them as "dead to each other." He lost sleep, gained weight and saw a close adviser, Don Hammond, suffer a heart attack at his Treasury desk. On May 1, after serving seven months under Presidents Bush and Obama, he resigned.

Within a week, Kashkari and his wife put their belongings into "indefinite storage." They moved to a cabin near the Truckee River in Northern California. "Off the map," he told his friends. He threw away his business cards, and made a list of the things he wanted to do:

click link for pictures of his doomstead. Fist pic is of his shed, the 8th is the house.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/04/AR2009120402016.html


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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:30 AM
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66. Gold strikes record high above $1,217 an ounce
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i6NJfLwH_nI-ni3vi9CI6l-axXgw

LONDON — Gold struck a record price above 1,217 dollars on Wednesday as the US currency weakened, cementing the precious metal's surge over the past year as nervy investors seek safe-haven investments.

Gold hit 1,217.23 dollars on the London Bullion Market one day after breaking through the 1,200-dollar barrier for the first time.

After reaching a new high on Wednesday, gold pulled back slightly to trade at 1,207.82 dollars at 1122 GMT.

Gold has smashed record after record over recent days and weeks on the back of inflationary fears and increasing moves by central banks to diversify assets away from the dollar, which has weakened against the European single currency.

A falling greenback makes dollar-denominated gold cheaper for buyers holding stronger currencies, pushing up demand for the metal and eventually its price.

In European foreign exchange trading on Wednesday, the euro rose to above 1.51 dollars...

The price of gold has soared by more than 55 percent in value over the past 12 months.

The yellow metal, whose two main drivers are jewellery and investment buyers, has won favour in the uncertain economic climate which has been fuelled in recent days by Dubai's debt crisis. Gold is traditionally viewed as a safe-haven investment...Gold prices have won support from central bank purchases of the metal.

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) last week announced it had sold 10 tonnes of gold to Sri Lanka's central bank for 375 million dollars as part of a restructuring of its financial resources.

The record run for gold comes also after a recent newspaper report that India was mulling the purchase of more IMF gold reserves.

..................................

Canadian mining giant Barrick Gold meanwhile on Tuesday announced it had eliminated all of its hedges on the world's largest gold production and reserves, hoping to profit from rising gold prices.

The gold hedges were contracts whereby Barrick -- the world's number one gold producer -- sold gold ounces it expected to produce in advance for a fixed price.

In the meantime, if the price of gold increased, Barrick was obligated to sell its gold at the lower price or buy it in the marketplace at a higher price to meet its contractual obligations.

Hedging is normally used to insulate companies from market price fluctuations and provide a level of financial stability for their operations.

Barrick announced in September it would pull the plug on its remaining gold hedges, as it was not benefiting from any increase in the gold price, which is forecast to continue rising over the long term as deposits are depleted.
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Po_d Mainiac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 10:49 AM
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75. How many gold Ponzi schemes are out there?
I really wonder what would come to light if everyone that has a piece of paper stating they have (X) amount of gold/silver/platinum sitting in a vault withdrew their holdings. Best I can tell there is no gov't oversite of these facilities.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:59 AM
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67. Good News! Geithner Dismisses Tax on Financial Transactions as Unworkable
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4172157#4172218

"If Geithner opposes it, that's a big mark in it's favor" - Baldguy :)
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:58 AM
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72. A while back, those of us involved in NY's fair funding for education fight
(eventually resolved by court order) were trying to advocate for a financial transaction tax on Wall St. to pay for equitable funding for schools without additionally burdening home-owners. It turned out (at that time - along with many other causes/fights, the current details of this one have escaped me)that NY did indeed already impose such a tax - BUT IMMEDIATELY REBATED IT TO THE TAXEE. Keeping this tax would have given the state plenty of $$ for schools, even though it was a miniscule, barely noticable fraction. Three guesses as to whether or not we succeeded, and the first two don't count.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #72
77. As someone else said, the bean counters keep good enough track
of the transactions to collect/pay sales commissions on 'em.


TAX THE BASTARDS.




TG
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 06:00 PM
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80. Absolute agreement here
and is it even possible for Geitner to be any more blatant about which side he's on?
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:47 PM
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82. Here's what I don't understand. Well, I mean I do, but. . . . .
They -- and we know who "they" are -- have no problem keeping track of their trades. OTC or UTT (under the table), they know the details. The money gets paid, whether profit or loss. Goldman Sacks declares their profit, pays their bonuses. The amounts are known to the penny. Statements are issued.

Tax the income. Tax it at the same rate as "ordinary" income. What, 35% instead of 15% capital gains? So fucking what? TAX THE RAT BASTARDS.

Look at history. Look at the history of taxation that's been presented just today on DU. The government used to get most of its funding from tariffs. Gee, what a concept! Hey, India, Japan, China, you guys wanta sell your crap here? Well, you gonna pay to do so.

So sorry, Waltons, but no, you won't be able to rake in billions and billions and billions any more because now your cheap Chinese crap won't be so cheap any more. The toy manufacturing and the electronics manufacturing and the appliance manufacturing and the textile and clothing manufacturing will have to be done here in the US, employing American workers. No more of this transnational slavery. The Chinese will have to sell their cheap plastic crap to themselves.

WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND? HOW CAN OBAMA BE SO BLINDLY STUPID AS TO THINK THIS COUNTRY CAN RECOVER WITHOUT A MANUFACTURING BASE?

It boggles the mind. It really does.

Case in point -- A friend of mine saw a fashion accessory in a local department store a couple weeks ago. She really wanted it, but it was $38, way more than she wanted to pay for it. Besides, she was pretty sure I could make one almost identical for a fraction of the price. And the more she thought about it, the more she wanted three of them, for her daughters and a niece for Christmas. So the one in the store went on sale for $22, she bought one, and brought it to me to see if I could copy it. I took one look at it and said "Piece of cake. Two hours max."

The "original" is machine-made in China; the three I'm making are hand-made, each slightly different one-of-a-kind. If she pays me "minimum wage" they'll cost her $15 each (plus materials, which amounts to about $2 each), so still less than the MiC version. But of course the difference is also the various intermediate levels (including the upscale department store) that all have to get their cut of the profits, and all the transportation costs.

All it would take is a congress that has a made in America backbone -- we need a solid economy and we won't have it unless and until we bring back our jobs. Tariffs, tariffs, tariffs = jobs, job, jobs.

Am I wrong?


or am I



Tansy Gold

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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 10:31 AM
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84. right idea, i think, but m own leanings are toward human/labor rights and carbon costs as
the tariff determinants. I'm not sure why, and am open to simple geography, as it probably achieves the same goal. But I am thinking along the lines of trade agreements based on human and labor rights, with a REAL "carbon footprint" cost added. Of those, I think the environmental cost factor has the best chance of succeeding, since goddess forfend we should offend our "company store" China by holding them to genuine human and labor rights standards (not that we shouldn't, but I just think we won't - we are far too deep in hock to them). For instance, if a product is made with "dirty" energy, such as coal as the energy source for production, that would add a huge cost. If the product is made with a non-renewable resource-based material (plastic), that adds another tariff. And the cost of transporting it has to be added in based on the energy used to get it from producer to consumer. Voila, goods from China, etc., ain't so cheap.

All hideously complicated of course, and I sure have no idea how to implement such a criteria - being the embodiment of "jack of all trades, master of none" here. But I'm quite sure others do know how.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 11:00 AM
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85. That would be great if "we" had any control over China or could
trust them to give an accurate accounting of their labor conditions.

We still have to deal with geopolitical reality, which is that China is China and is THERE and we are US and we are HERE. If it comes from China and it could be made here, then it gets a tariff, paid to the US Govt, that brings the price roughly equal to what it would cost wholesale to be made here.

Levi-Strauss, you wanna make your jeans in Singapore? Go right ahead. Every pair will be slapped with a tariff to make that cost equal to what it would have cost if those jeans were still made in SF CA USA.

RCA Whirlpool Maytag, you wanna make your washing machines in Mexico? Be my guest. Every one that comes north of the border will be hit with a tariff that negates your company profit on the cheaper wages.

Now, if you wanta ADD some more to cover carbon tax and so on, hey, I got no problem with that! Anything that encourages resuscitation of a national economy is fine with me.

The thing is, we still have NATIONAL governments, NATIONAL citizenship, NATIONAL economies. We have to get over the idea that as long as the rich benefit from transnational slavery, it's okay. It's not.

Barack Obama was elected to be president of we the people, not they the stockholders and executives of the big fat too big to fail, too big to be regulated transnational corporations. He needs to start acting like it.



TG
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 03:21 PM
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88. Well, you won't find me supporting transnational slavery, nor consumption-based economies
Edited on Sun Dec-06-09 03:23 PM by bread_and_roses
- both* of which I consider inevitable outcomes of capitalism - which I also don't support. As I said, you are probably right, and as I also said, geography (national borders) probably accomplishes much the same as my more complicated criteria - at least as long as a carbon tax is added.

The other benefit, I think, to a carbon tax would be greater emphasis on quality made goods that LAST, and could be repaired - since new goods would carry a higher carbon tax.

I find it utterly depressing - also frightening - to hear our "pundits" talking about economic recovery solely in terms of "consumption" - as if it did not matter what and how and why we consume. It spells disaster for the earth, if we cannot change that paradigm, as well as diminishing our humanity - our creativity, our forms of community, and everything else I consider of true value.
*edit: omitted word
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 03:37 PM
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89. Agreed, especially on the "goods that last."
My desk is at least 40 years old and will no doubt last at least another 40.

I've got a dresser that's probably 120 years old; my cedar chest was my grandmother's, bought at her birth in 1900. There's a marble-topped end table of roughly the same age, and a big sturdy wooden chair that belonged to my great-grandmother.

It's not that they're old and valuable -- it's that they're old and good and functional. I'm glad to have items like this because it means I don't have to keep going out and buying new. I can live on a whole lot less when I'm not replacing cheap-ass crap all the time.

One has to wonder if one contributing factor to the "decline of the family" isn't the destruction of the links to family and tradition. Yet the same pukes who gnash their teeth over "family values" are among those who hype the crap that destroys "tradition."

But that, I suppose, would fill a whole book.



Tansy Gold, proud supporter of hand-made things that last
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 12:25 PM
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76. Jobs Crisis Fact Sheet

12/4/09 Jobs Crisis Fact Sheet By Anna Turner
Economic Policy Institute

(Note that all numbers are current as of December 4, 2009. States numbers are current as of November 20, 2009.)

The jobs crisis

* Number unemployed: 15.4 million (up from 7.5 million in December 2007)
* Portion of unemployed who have been jobless more than six months: 38.3%
* Total jobs lost during the recession: 8.0 million
* Jobs lost in November, 2009: 11,000
* Jobs needed to return to pre-recession unemployment rate: 10.9 million
* Number of jobseekers per job opening: 6.1
* Unemployment rate: 10.0%
* States with double-digit unemployment in October, 2009: 15
* White unemployment: 9.3%; black unemployment: 15.6%; Hispanic unemployment: 12.7%
* Manufacturing jobs lost since the start of the recession: 2.1 million (15.5% of sector’s jobs)
* Construction jobs lost in the recession: 1.6 million (20.8%, nearly one in five construction jobs)
* Mass layoffs (50 or more people by a single employer) in October 2009: 2,127; jobs lost: 217,182
* Underemployment rate: 17.2%; Share of workers un- or underemployed: more than 1 in 6
* Under- and unemployed, marginally attached and involuntary part-time workers: 26.9 million



Hardships and the safety net

* Americans with no health insurance in 2008: 46.3 million
* Drop in children covered through parents’ employers, 2000 to 2007: 3.4 million
* Annual Social Security benefit for average retiree: $13,922; Share of older Americans receiving all their income from Social Security: more than 1 out of 4
* Number of children in poverty in 2008: 14.1 million (over one-third)
* Drop in real median income from 2007 to 2008: 3.6% (largest one-year drop since 1967)
* Growth rate of nominal, hourly wages of production workers over the last three months: 1.7%
* Additional people covered by Medicaid/SCHIP in 2008: 3 million

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act

* Average weekly unemployment benefit in September (including additional $25 per week from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act): $334
* Number of additional people each week receiving unemployment compensation because of ARRA in October: 3.9 million
* Average monthly cost of COBRA with American Recovery and Reinvestment Act subsidy: $370; Without American Recovery and Reinvestment Act subsidy: $1,057
* Jobs lost since February 2008: 2.7 million ; Jobs likely lost since February 2008 without passage of ARRA: 4.0 to 4.5 million

click link for additional info for each statistic
http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/jobs_crisis_fact_sheet/

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 03:40 PM
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78. Testimony before Congress--WHEN DISNEY WENT OVER TO THE DARK SIDE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney

Disney was a founding member of the anti-communist Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals. In 1947, during the early years of the Cold War, Disney testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee, where he branded Herbert Sorrell, David Hilberman and William Pomerance, former animators and labor union organizers, as Communist agitators. All three men denied the allegations. According to Peter Schweizer, an author of the time, Archives of the Soviet Union released by the Russian government implicate Sorrell as a Communist spy. However, Sorrell testified before the HUAC in 1946 but there was insufficient evidence to link him to the Communist Party. Disney accused the Screen Actors Guild of being a Communist front, and charged that the 1941 strike was part of an organized Communist effort to gain influence in Hollywood...

AND THAT'S WHERE THINGS STARTED TO GO SOUR FOR THE COUNTRY--THE FEAR OF THE WORKER TRANSMUTING INTO FEAR OF THE COMMUNISTS AND THEN JUST FREE-FLOATING PARANOIA. IT'S A PITY THAT DISNEY, LIKE RONALD REAGAN, SAW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SETTLE OLD SCORES AND GAIN INFLUENCE WITH THE GOVT.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 03:48 PM
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79. Today Has Been a Productive Day
I hung up the Xmas lights and wreath, changed my bed, sent the Kid away for overnight, and started on the Mountain of Mending. the Kid is hard on clothes--in part, I think because of the pain she was in before the gall bladder came out.

Now she is happier, more focused, quieter, cleaner, and eating a lot less. She is definitely losing weight, too. So I am mending the stuff she stressed all last year (and some from the year before), in the hopes that she can wear it out before it's too big on her.

There's a few little flakes of snow falling outside. It's cold, the first really cold day of winter. But after mending 15 garments, which didn't even put a dent in the Mountain of Mending, I can't take any more, even with the bribe of watching a DVD at the same time....

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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 06:02 PM
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81. Sleep well, Demeter.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 08:41 AM
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83. How Dubai's burst bubble has left behind the last days of Rome

12/5/09 How Dubai's burst bubble has left behind the last days of Rome

Welcome to the modern equivalent of the last days of Rome. The failure of Dubai World, one of the Emirate’s flagship companies, to honour a debt due last month has rocked this city state to its foundations. By any conventional logic Dubai is now a busted flush.
The Emirate has been struggling for many months, and if you scratch the surface the pain in this new and gaudy metropolis is palpable. Ross, who asked not to be identified, is one of countless expatriates who have been caught out by the collapse in Dubai’s once-booming property market.

Like many he bought a flat off-plan in what was a red-hot property market. Today he is trapped, his passport confiscated until he repays bank loans he used to invest in a property that may never exist. If his work dries up before he can clear his debts he will go to jail.

We met at a coffee shop in Dubai’s vast Mall of the Emirates. Around us were some of Britain’s most familiar high street names — Next, Debenhams, Virgin, Costa Coffee and Harvey Nichols. For now trade is still brisk. “I’m struggling to know what to do really,” he said.

Borrowing from family to supplement his savings, Ross, in his early thirties, moved with his family to Dubai from South London in late 2006, put down a £60,000 deposit and arranged a £30,000 loan to help to cover the initial instalments on a £350,000 two-bedroom apartment in the Dubai Sports City development.

“The plan was to let the place out to cover the loan and mortgage but it was scheduled for completion by the end of 2008 and they haven’t finished the ground floor yet,” he said. Without the apartment to boost the family’s income, the high cost of living forced them back to Britain. The debts became overwhelming in a city where non-payment is a criminal offence. Ross returned for some contract work but he was held on arrival at the airport by the police.

The Sports City developer, Middle East Development, told him that work on his property will restart before the end of the year but will take at least 18 months to complete without any further delays. Even if it were to meet this schedule it will be three years late.

Ross’s options are stark. He must keep working to pay off the bank, borrow from his family, leave Dubai illegally and lose the apartment or go to jail. “The worst-case scenario is that I have to lean on friends or family to get the money together. It’s that or jail — it’s a no-brainer really.” For now he is looking no further than Christmas, trying to decide whether to fly his wife and three children out to Dubai for the holiday.

He is far from alone. The handful of cars dumped by expatriates at the airport each week bear testament to that, and talk of a speculative property market gone sour.

more...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6945283.ece
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 10:48 AM
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91. Poetic justice.
n/t.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 12:11 PM
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87. The State of the Union – in charts…

12/5/09 The State of the Union – in charts…

Simply perusing the updated St. Louis Reserve Bank’s latest charts over the past couple weeks gives one some pretty good insights into the strength of our economy. While there are indicators that have come back up a small amount, there are still many, many signs that underlying strength has not returned, at least to the degree that you would conclude by listening to our government officials and main stream media sources.

NOTE: As you view these charts, please take a moment on each one to read the left hand scale. Some are year over year (yoy) percent change, some are yoy change in Billions of dollars, and some are simply the index value or raw data. Charts and data can be displayed in many ways, so you must think about what each means. Keep in mind that we are now two years from the peak in the markets, so year over year data is change from the point that was one year into the decline already…

Note that in the past two weeks we had a crisis in Dubai, one in Greece, and one in Japan. All are crisis of debt. And these crisis events are coming in closer proximity. That’s because they are all related. Analysts poo-pawed the Dubai default saying that it was isolated – remember what they said about subprime? These crisis are not the problem, they are symptoms of the problem. The real problem is the way that our money systems are backed by debt. More money equals more debt. This produces unsustainable math, plain and simple. This system appears to work okay until debt saturation occurs. Debt saturation is the state where incomes can no longer support and sustain the growth of debt – that’s where we are, and it’s where most of the world is.

Again, we must watch all four major markets, currencies, debt (bonds), commodities, and equities. Stress manifests itself in different ways. In a highly manipulated world, such as ours currently is, attempts to control one market will produce outcomes in another. They cannot, however, change the inevitable outcome, it is nature’s law that all debts get repaid with interest in one way or the other. Those debts can only be repaid through productive efforts, and there is no way around that. Attempts to fool the nature of money will only cause repayment to come via one of the other major markets.

Also, as you reach debt saturation, attempts to add more debt into the system actually lead to higher unemployment. Note as you look through the following charts, how overall debt has gone exponential alongside money supply, and that in general as debt has risen unemployment has also risen, each cycle producing a higher low and a higher high.

Onto the State of the Union via the Fed’s own charts…
http://economicedge.blogspot.com/2009/12/state-of-union-in-charts.html


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