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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 08:37 AM
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If You Could See America Through China's Eyes

Several years ago, I met with the Deputy Director of the Policy Planning staff of China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and I asked him what he was working on -- and what China's grand strategy was.

His reply: "We are trying to figure out how to keep you Americans distracted in small Middle Eastern countries."

It's pretty memorable when one can joke and be truthful at the same time. China has had opportunities throughout the world open up to it easily -- mostly because of systemic American inattention to much else beyond its war slogs. The Obama administration, which in its first year in office, has managed high level presidential and cabinet level face time with leaders around Asia, Africa, Latin America, and the Middle East has done a lot to correct the impression from the G.W. Bush years that America has completely checked out from the rest of the world -- but there still is a sense that American pretensions in the world are more veneer than real.

Now read in full a short, brilliantly written report titled "Strategic Contraction Replaces Arrogance: Chinese Analysis of the Quadrennial Defense Review" by Li Shuisheng at China's Academy of Military Science on the Pentagon's recently released Quadrennial Defense Review.

This is a very sobering "offshore perspective" on American power.

The introduction starts with a quick tip of the hat to the Obama administration for greater pragmatism and less arrogance than the George W. Bush years - but also says that Obama's course is leading to the strategic contraction of the U.S.:

After the United States was bogged down in the Afghanistan War for more than eight years and in the Iraq War for more than seven years, in early February, the Obama administration published its first "Quadrennial Defense Review" (QDR). This was a report submitted to US Congress by the US Department of Defense every four years as required by law, and was also a framework document for the future building of the US military.
Against the background of being deeply mired in "one crisis and two wars", this year's report somewhat restrained the usual "arrogant style" appearing in the previous QDR reports, epitomized the more pragmatic defense policy pursued by the Obama administration, manifested the trend of the United States' strategic contraction to a certain extent. The report also revealed some noteworthy new changes in the US military building.


The author also sees what this writer has argued: that American obsession with Afghanistan and an ever-expanding quest to stamp out Islamic insurgencies will "further chip away at the United States' strength, aggravate its strategic adversity, and increasingly narrow the room for maneuvers on other issues." The author writes:

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 08:41 AM
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1. Yes - "We'll defeat them 1 cheap product at a time"
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 08:58 AM
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2. Plus
We are fighting Islam over there so China doesn't have to.
Afghanistan is on China's border. You ever hear China complain?
If China invaded Mexico, what would we say?
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 09:23 AM
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5. The Chinese have been fighting the Muslims for a long time.
I think that the Chinese want us to win in Afghanistan. They also want us to be a lot weaker when the fighting stops. It becomes easier for them to be number one.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 09:41 AM
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7. Exactly
We are like mercenaries for the Chinese, fighting their battles.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:02 AM
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11. It's easier for them.
They don't play nice or have to worry about democracy. They just round people up and shoot them.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 08:59 AM
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3. I guess they'll buy Africa
Mind you - I hear Greece is going cheap at the moment.
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Betty Karlson Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:28 PM
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14. What do you mean: "they WILL"?
They are already doing it!
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:40 PM
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15. I meant the rest of it
Betty !
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 09:22 AM
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4. The world is getting tired of arrogant BS from it's biggest debtor nation
At the rate we were going we would have soon managed to unite the entire world - in opposition to our aggressive policies.

We have no choice but pursuing a "strategic contraction". We're too broke to do anything else.

The US was pretty far down this road before the disastrous cheney administration, but we've now been bled dry by needless wars.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 09:30 AM
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6. If you really want to see what China thinks of us
Watch this 15 min video from Sundance, a few years ago.

http://www.atom.com/funny_videos/haha_america/

We are a fucking rounding error to them!
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 12:08 PM
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9. That's an American site.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 09:55 AM
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8. I am not overly concerned about China....
Definitely concerned, but less so than others. The Chinese are as corrupt and greedy as anyone else - very much so actually. They will form their own superbubble like Japan did by Dec 29, 1989. After that, they will crash and burn and have a couple lost decades like Japan did. The Chinese have taken some recent steps to cool speculation and economic overheating, but too little too late - they are destined for their own superbubble.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:03 AM
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12. +1
Add China's hidden political and ethnic troubles and it won't be pretty.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 02:27 PM
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10. I wonder this every time I go into a store
....and see the heaps of cheap, shoddy ugly merchandise we have (apparently) ordered them to make for us. Go to the toy aisle -- UGLY, toxic and mostly useless toys that make noise and little else. Go to the "seasonal" aisle and see the displays bursting with freakish Christmas items and other holiday gee-gaws of horrible taste and quality.

And that's at a "good" store! Don't even think of what's behind the doors of a dollar store.

The Chinese who are making all this CRAP must think we are plumb nuts.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 01:10 AM
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13. Yep. Some 20 years ago when we lived in Asia "high-on the hog"
we were told straight-up by a very prominent business man that "they" had about 20-25 more years left until they'd have to live up to American standards (OSHA)....until that time they'd be making $$$ hand-over-fist.

NOBODY has had to live up to the very tight OSHA standards since that time. It was the BEST of times.....but no longer. It's all about the $$$. And $$$$ has NO VALUE on a sinking ship/world.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 12:59 PM
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16. our use of coups, economic hitmen, and wars have made it easy for China to make friends
simply by NOT using those methods and looking like a better trading and political partner by contrast.
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The Green Manalishi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 02:59 PM
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17. The only Americans overseas
should be tourists and diplomats.
-it is none of our concern what the relationship is between any other state and it's people,
-or between any other states.
-We should abrogate all treaties, bring all troops home, close all overseas bases.

I'll paraphrase Bismarck: the entirety of the mid east and Asia is not worth the blood of one American Corporal.
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