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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 03:49 PM
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Louis Farrakhan Puts His Anti-Semitism On Full Display; Deepens Conspiracy Theories About Jews
Louis Farrakhan Puts His Anti-Semitism On Full Display; Deepens Conspiracy Theories About Jewish Control (original title doesn't fit)

New York, NY, March 19, 2010 … Louis Farrakhan, the anti-Semitic and racist leader of the Nation of Islam, has "returned again to his old bigotry, and ramped up his virulently anti-Semitic rhetoric" in a series of recent speeches.

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) said the recent Farrakhan lectures – rife with conspiracy theories about Jews and Israel, and Jewish control of government, finance and Hollywood – leave little doubt that "anti-Semitism and racism remain a central part of his message."

The series of three speeches, beginning with his February 28 Saviours' Day Speech and culminating with an address on March 14 at Mosque Maryam in Chicago, put Farrakhan's use of anti-Semitism on full display. Farrakhan repeated accusations that some Jews belong to a "synagogue of Satan" and that Jews control the entertainment industry, exploit Black performers for their own financial gain, and were disproportionately involved in the transatlantic slave trade.

"There is no doubt that anti-Semitism and racism remain a central part of Farrakhan's message, as well as that of the Nation of Islam," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "The large crowds he attracts demonstrate that his bigotry and hate continue to be embraced. Clearly, Minister Farrakhan has returned again to his old bigotry, and ramped up his virulently anti-Semitic rhetoric."

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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 02:16 AM
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1. Farrakhan is a muslim
some of the things he say is very wrong about the Jews,but on the other hand some of Abe Foxmans rants are just as bad.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 02:47 AM
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2. Provide an example.
I would love to see you make a legitimate comparison of the two. Unlike the last time you made this bullshit remark, this time, let's see a little proof.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 03:12 AM
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3. Didn't Abe Foxman get into a rift with Bill Moyers?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 03:14 AM
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4. And?
How does that equate Foxman to Farahkhan?
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 03:20 AM
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5. Both can get pretty histrionic in their rhetoric.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 03:27 AM
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6. That wasn't the "charge."
Edited on Mon Mar-22-10 03:52 AM by Behind the Aegis
The other poster, and perhaps you, are trying to equate a virulent homophobic, racist, anti-Semite to Foxman. My guess is because you don't like his stances/opinions on Israel because if you had anything of substance demonstrating Foxman as a raving racist, homophobic Islamophobe you wouldn't engage in obfuscation.

Edit to change "Islamophobia" to the correct "Islamophobe."
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 03:36 AM
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7. You mean these don't count?
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/301/content.jsp?content_KEY=5293

http://www.antiwar.com/hacohen/?articleid=14256

Nor when he blasted Jimmy Carter's 2006 book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid" and said that Carter was engaging in Anti-Semitism with it?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 03:50 AM
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8. So you are equating a Jew-hater with someone who has not been shown to be an Arab/Muslim hater?
Edited on Mon Mar-22-10 03:54 AM by Behind the Aegis
You are obviously conflating Jews and Israel, something posters like you howl about if in reverse. What you are doing is nothing more than a pathetic and very lazy ad hominem because you don't like Foxman's views on Israel.

How is your "proof" relevant other than possibly as a continuation of your obfuscation? Do you know the difference between a person who is vehemently pro-Israel and a Jew-hater? It says so much about you when you compare Foxman to a known racist bigot but provide nothing to indicate the same about your target; all the while never condemning the actual bigot. Of course, these threads often attract these type of posts.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:32 PM
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13. Why must you defend
events and people that do bad things.?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:35 PM
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14. Why must you make things up and make false comparisons?
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:49 PM
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23. Foxman is a hater of justice.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:49 PM
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25. Prove IT!
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:27 PM
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12. There will alway be a few who refuse to see the light
My friend ,you seem to be one of them.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:36 PM
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15. So, you have nothing. I guessed as much from our first conversation about your inane comment.
Throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks is not "truth."
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:42 PM
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18.  Sir
you seem to know a lot about shit,could it be that you are so full of it you have become an expert?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:43 PM
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19. Could it be you have nothing but logical fallacies (ad homs) to cover something deeper?
Perhaps, you are the one who is filled with it as is obvious from your weak and impotent posts.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:49 PM
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24. as you said....
classysassy (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-22-10 11:48 PM
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21. If you can't defend your position
without resorting to name calling that shows a lack of maturity.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 10:52 PM
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11. He is actually with NOI, more of a cult than a real branch of Islam
NOI, particularly under Elijah Muhammad, became a full-blown racist, misogynist, and anti-Semitic organization.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 07:25 AM
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32. you are quite correct - No mainstream Muslim would accept NOI as fellow Muslims


The Errant Theology of the "Nation of Islam"


The "Nation of Islam" does not adhere to these core tenets of Islamic theology. They believe that God appeared on earth in the person of their founder, a "great man from the East", Master W. Fard Muhammad, a preacher who first came to public attention in the USA on July 4, 1930 then mysteriously "departed the scene" on February 26, 1934. As the NOI website unambiguously declares:

"WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited "Messiah" of the Christians and the "Mahdi" of the Muslims."

In 1934 following the unexplained departure of the "Master", the organization he founded came to be headed by one Elijah Poole, who became known as the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Until very recently, the "Nation of Islam" accorded the status of prophet to Elijah Muhammad.

Therefore it is clear that despite their name and calling themselves Muslims, "Nation of Islam" beliefs about God and prophethood are glaringly incompatible with Islam.

Racist ideology also at odds with universal Islam

A third area of non-compliance with Islam, and the one which receives by far the greatest attention in the secular media, is the issue of race. The present "Nation of Islam" leader, Louis Farrakhan, is on record as having made objectionable anti-Jewish (as distinct from anti-Zionist) remarks. Among other unfortunate utterances, he is alleged to have referred to Judaism as a "gutter religion".

Moreover, the NOI is a segregationalist organization exclusively for black people descended from slaves. Proper Islam is a universal religion open to people of every race. Muslims are supposed to differentiate between people on the basis not of ethnic origin but of piety and upright behavior. As the Quran makes clear:

"And mankind is naught but a single nation." Holy Quran 2:213

"O Mankind! Most certainly, it is We (God almighty) who have Created you all from a single (pair) of a male and a female, And it is We who have made you into nations and tribes, that ye may recognize each other. Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you." Holy Quran 49:13

And in his final sermon, Prophet Mohammed made clear that racism has no place in Islam:

"O people! Verily your Lord is one and your father is one. All of you belong to one ancestry of Adam and Adam was created out of clay. There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab and for a non-Arab over an Arab; nor for white over the black nor for the black over the white except in piety. Verily the noblest among you is he who is the most pious."

In contrast, the NOI has a pronounced anti-white bias. They refer to blacks as God's chosen people and Caucasians as white devils. They call for a separate homeland for American blacks, for racially segregated education and for a ban on interracial marriage. To quote again from their website:

We believe we are the people of God's choice.

WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans.

We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own--either on this continent or elsewhere.

We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers.

We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited.

Fellow Muslims with eyes the bluest of blue and skin the whitest of white...
Former NOI members who recognized anti-white racism as folly and converted to proper Islam include Malcolm X and the world champion heavyweight boxer, Muhammad Ali. Both spoke out on the subject:

" was an exhilarating experience to see people belonging to different colors, races and nationalities, kings, heads of states and ordinary men from very poor countries all clad in two simple white sheets praying to God without any sense of either pride or inferiority. It was a practical manifestation of the concept of equality in Islam." Muhammed Ali

"During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept in the same bed (or on the same rug) -- while praying to the same God -- with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the actions and in the deeds of the 'white' Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana."

"We were truly all the same -- because their belief in the one God had removed the 'white' from their minds, the 'white' from their behavior, and the 'white' from their attitude."

"This religion recognizes all men as brothers. It accepts all human beings as equals before God, and as equal members in the Human Family of Mankind. I totally reject Elijah Muhammad's racist philosophy, which he has labeled 'Islam' only to fool and misuse gullible people as he fooled and misused me. But I blame only myself, and no one else for the fool that I was, and the harm that my evangelical foolishness on his behalf has done to others." Malcolm X

http://www.islamfortoday.com/nationofislam.htm

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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 07:44 AM
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33. I think Foxman is a crass propagandist regarding the Israel/Palestine issue, but I really wouldn't
Edited on Tue Mar-23-10 07:45 AM by Douglas Carpenter
put him in the same category as Farrakhan. Foxman may quite unfairly equate opposition to Israeli policy or opposition to elements of Zionist ideology with anti-Semitism. Foxman may strive to weaken America's ability to apply pressure on the State of Israel and thus be at least to some extent an obstacle to peace. I obviously don't like many things he says. But is he the unabashed racist and bigot like Farrakhan? No, I don't think so. Does he tell Jewish people that it is their sacred duty to hate Arabs or Muslims or other groups. No, I don't think so.

I once listened to a sermon by Farrakhan on the radio a number of years ago. In this sermon Farrakhan used quotes of Jesus Christ from the Gospels in which Christ attacked the hypocrisy of the Pharisee and spun it into a vicious anti-Semitic attack on Jewish people. It was such a horrible distortion of scripture and so sickeningly twisted out of context that it made me feel physically ill.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 06:46 PM
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9. Farrakhan is scum.
That's been public knowledge for a long time.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 08:03 PM
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10. Louis Farrakhan has always been a vile homophobe and anti-Semite. He ought to shut up. n/t
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:38 PM
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16. Freedom of speech
as an american citizen we all must defend free speech even if we disagree with it.Are we going to tell Farrakhan to shut up and let Foxman spew his hateful words all over the inter net and the rest of the media?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:40 PM
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17. Do you know what actual "hate speech" is? I doubt it given your stupid comments.
Please, side by side, compare Farrahkhan's remarks and comparable comments made by Foxman. You seem to know jack-shit about Foxman.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:45 PM
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20.  Your anger is showing
you proberly want believe this but I support Israel when she is right ans as a friend I speak out when I feel she is wrong.So get over it.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:48 PM
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22. Your ignorance is showing.
As is your true face.

The article was about anti-Semitism, not Israel, but you see "Jew" or "anti-Semitism" and make it into your diseased positions about Israel. Again, demonstrate how Foxman and Farrakhan are similar as hate-mongers. Prove it.

Do not mistake anger for disdain.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:48 PM
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21. If you can't defend your position
without resorting to name calling that shows a lack of maturity.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:50 PM
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26. This is called "projection." It is also typical of people who use logical fallacies as "proof."
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:58 PM
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27. Trying to defend evil acts
says a lot about the defender.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 12:00 AM
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29. You would know. It is strewn throughout this thread.
Care to defend Farrakhan's speech some more?
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 11:59 PM
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28.  It seem to me
that logic has never been one of your strong suits.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 12:03 AM
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30. Yet, another of your "projections." Much like your locical fallacies.
Look up: "burden of proof," "ad hominem," and "strawman." Here is a good place for you to start: The Nizkor Project.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 06:18 AM
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31. Thank you for having the courage, not to mention a strong enough stomach, to stand up to
those here who try to equate the vile hate and racism of Farrakhan with people like Foxman. Reminds me of the same pathetic attempts by the right wing and their MSM sycophants with their phony false equivalencies trying to paint intelligent purveyors of truth like Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann as being the same as Beck or Limbaugh but on and of the left. I see you fighting sometimes lonely battles here, and am ashamed that I don't speak up for and with you more often. Thank you for having a level of integrity and guts that I just don't seem to summon the strength to express much any more.
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theblasmo Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:24 AM
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34. Examples?
If these ideas are so obvious, then using actual quotes and cited sources shouldn't be anything but more proof. Seems to me one person wants to actually discuss the issues and have an Argument, and the other just wants to believe what he/she wants to believe, without actually having those opinions discussed openly, because they might not survive the light of day. The NOI does not represent mainstream Muslim views, any more than the teabaggers represent mainstream American views. If Foxman has actual quotes about Muslims that match the severity of Farrakhan's quotes about Jews, then they should be easy to find and even easier to put up here. Otherwise, the back and forth of one person's intelligent argument versus another's unwillingness to even try and have one gets old.
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