Anglophobia on the rise in Israel

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Anglophobia on the rise in Israel

by Paul Woodward on March 24, 2010

After the British government expelled an Israeli diplomat understood to be the London Mossad chief, the Daily Telegraph reports:

"…members of the Israeli parliament likened the British government to “anti-Semitic dogs” and demanded the expulsion of Britain’s military attaché in Tel Aviv.

“The British are being hypocritical, and I do not wish to insult dogs here, since some dogs show true loyalty, who gave the British the right to judge us on the war on terror?” said Arieh Eldad, a Right-wing member of the Knesset.

"Another member, Michael Ben-Ari, said: “Dogs are usually loyal, the British may be dogs, but they are not loyal to us. They seem to be loyal to the anti-Semitic establishment.”

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[Arctic Dave]

1. How to win friends and influence people. Just can't remember the chapter.

[Jim Sagle]

2. Unhelpful comments, much like this thread.

[Gwoppi]

5. Since I am Jewish,

I'll go on record saying yes,

a) What Israel does, good or bad, does appear to be under a magnifying glass. But

b) Any sanctimonious, pious hypocrisy attracts negative attention nowadays, and should.

Hateful behavior committed by a minority stains public perception of the collective identity of that minority. Molestation of altar boys has stained public perception of the Catholic Church. Discrimination against GLBTQs has stained public perception of the Mormon Church. Teabaggers everywhere stain public perception of evangelical Christianity. White Christians in the South look like a bunch of doofuses to the world right now; but are all truly bigots? We know the answer is no, but the troublemakers among them have finally become loud enough to make the entire bunch look bad. As a Jew, I think I speak for many liberal Jews in NYC when I say out loud Israel's behavior is staining public perception of my people, and some of us know it and aren't 100% comfortable with it.

I have no illusions that we should be magical unicorns who defecate pink rose petals and can escape a stained public image if gentiles can't. Self-policing should be the number one issue for many today. What some of us appear to be, all of us will be tarred as. The good students among us know this. As usual it's the class clowns and snarky, bullying assholes in the back of the classroom who feel this doesn't apply to them and don't give a shit what their acting out will bring down on the whole class, so long as they get their way. Almost every subgroup in the world has been hijacked by this class of sociopaths the past 15 years - we call them the Fundamentalists, the Fringe, and the Extremists - and it's time for the good kids to take back control of the classroom and wise custody of our shared public image. Israel and my people are no exception.

Just a politically incorrect posting from a politically incorrect Jewish person recently delurked hereabouts.

[WVRICK13]

3. After Learning The Truth

about how the Palestinians are treated I am developing Israeliphobia. Why are we paying Israel $7Million US tax dollars a day so they can subjugate a population. If they want to play that game they need to do it on their own dime.

[Rebubula]

4. Which Truth is that?

The Truth where the Arab world has been using Palestine as cannon fodder for their stated goal of the end of the state of Israel?

The Truth where Palestinian leaders have rejected land deals and rights OVER AND OVER in favor of strapping bombs to the chests of children and mentally handicapped?

The Truth where 10s of THOUSANDS of Palestinians\Arabs live in prosperity and peace inside of Israel - some even serving in the Knesset - while no Israeli would be able to live safely in Palestinian areas?

The Truth where Egypt, Lebanon and Syria attacked Israel on multiple occasions - once while the State of Israel was celebrating their holiest day? Israel could have legitimately destroyed all three nations but simply repelled the attack and set up buffer zones that are now called 'disputed territories'.


Pray tell....which truth do you speak of?

[Violet_Crumble]

6. Well, how about the truth that Israel has carried out a brutal occupation of the Palestinians?

Or do you really think the Truth is that Israel hasn't treated the Palestinians badly at all?

[Rebubula]

7. Not at all...

...no one is free from bloody hands in that region.

However, I am saying that it is overly simplistic to say that the Israelis are just a bunch of evil and oppressive assholes when there is scads of evidence that there are many factors in the plight of the Palestinians.

Brutality begets brutality. Bad behavior gets bad results.

The Palestinians are in a deep hole and only they can pull themselves out. Calling for the destruction of Israel, strapping bombs on children and refusing to accept treaties and peace is keeping them down.


As far as 'a brutal occupation of Palestinians' - please try to keep history in mind when looking at current events. Israel has been attacked by its neighbors for BEING JEWISH since its inception. What would you have Israel do?

On edit -

Moreover, how do you see the fact that 10s of thousands of Arabs\Palestinians live in peace and prosperity within the land of Israel? Unless you have other sources than I, I know of few hate crimes\random beating\abuses of these Israeli citizens.

Israel accepts the Arab world, but the Arab world wants Israel destroyed. I see the difference...how can you not?

[Violet_Crumble]

8. But in yr post you dispute that the occupation is a brutal one...

Aren't you aware of the checkpoints, the killings of innocent Palestinians by extremist settlers, the destruction of their homes and properties, and the vastly different laws that Palestinians and Israeli settlers live under in the West Bank?

Also, what yr doing where yr labelling the Palestinians as being terrorists who hate Jews is not only overly simplistic, but making sweeping nasty generalisations about an entire population. I don't see how anyone who does that sort of thing can turn around and complain if it's done to other populations...

Are you trying to say that if Rastafarians for example had come along instead of the Zionists, the Palestinian Arabs would have had absolutely no problem with a state being created? That it's only because the Zionists were Jewish?

btw, Israeli Arabs do NOT live in peace or prosperity. They're discriminated against and there are parties in the Knesset that promote expelling Israeli Arabs from Israel...

The Arab world supports a thing called the Arab Peace Plan, and Egypt and Jordan have peace treaties with Israel. While relations aren't normalised, to say that Arab states want to see Israel destroyed is totally incorrect.

[WVRICK13]

9. I Speak Of The Truth

That we are paying $7Million tax dollars a day to a government that is subjugating another population. Not the Israeli citizens. I would like to think my friends and family who live in Israel are better than that. They themselves tell me how their hearts break for the Palestinian children and how the actions of the government serve to undermine their personal safety. Our two wars in the mid-east serve to undermine our personal safety in the US. We give the terrorists a reason to attack, or at least justification in their minds.

[freethinker2]

10. Look people

short and sweet, and then I'm done with this thread because its a nobrainer.
Point#1 The point made about using old and handicap people as a weapon should tell you something. The people of Palestine are desperate and are reduced to such actions.
Point#2 How can Israel and her people say they are defending then self? Its a nobrainer to say this when you are occupying someones land !!!
If you do not want to get run over by a car, you stop playing in the road.
And thats all I have to say about that.