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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 06:42 AM
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Are Americans as Stupid as the Media Think They Are? (Maybe)
AlterNet / By Marty Kaplan

Are Americans as Stupid as the Media Think They Are? (Maybe)
"Poll numbers that pretty convincingly correlate believing idiotic things with having less education, and not believing idiotic things with having more education."

March 30, 2010 |


I know some scary smart people who never graduated from high school, and I know some real doofuses with graduate degrees, so I understand that the number of years of formal education that someone has racked up is no guarantee of intelligence. But every once in a while, I see some poll numbers that pretty convincingly correlate believing idiotic things with having less education, and not believing idiotic things with having more education.

A recent example is a Harris poll that asked whether each of 15 statements about Barack Obama is true or false. In every single case, the less schooling people had, the more likely they were to believe that false things are true.

For example, 18 percent of Americans with high school or less education think that the president may be the Anti-Christ. That's right, nearly one out of five people who are eligible to vote, same as you, believe Obama is the bad guy in The Omen. But only 13 percent of people with some college believe that; and 9 percent of college graduates; and down to 4 percent of people who've had some post-graduate education.

It's the same descending scale with "He is doing many of the things that Hitler did." Twenty-four percent of high-school-or-less say yes; 20 percent of some-college; 18 percent of college grads; but only 10 percent of post-grads. "He was not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president": 32, then 22, then 21, then 7. "He is a Muslim": 43, 30, 24, 9. "He wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one world government": 37, 28, 21, 12. You get the idea. ............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/story/146217/are_americans_as_stupid_as_the_media_think_they_are_%28maybe%29



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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 06:46 AM
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1. collectively speaking: Yes, Americans in particular, and humans in general
are just not that bright.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 07:19 AM
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3. They're lazy. nt
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 07:20 AM
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4. to quote Animal House
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:27 AM
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14. True, but they also want to belong to the group, not unlike SHEEP and/or LEMMINGS.
Edited on Tue Mar-30-10 09:27 AM by ShortnFiery
There are few independent thinkers within the herd ... and those who are, well = we're usually democrats. ;)
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:09 AM
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22. In other countries the stupid don't group together and claim they are smart like here.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:33 AM
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25. Oh, yeah they do
There are far-right morons and psychopathic "revolutionaries" all over the place. To borrow some phraseology from Chris Rock "Most of the trouble in the world comes down to one thing - nitwits be shootin' at the neighbors!"
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 07:19 AM
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2. I saw a truck with Ron Paul AND NASA stickers on it. How can you have both unless you're stupid? nt
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 07:28 AM
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5. Agreed!
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 08:24 AM
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7. Exactly... I saw an Obama sticker on a car with a peace sign
same thing.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 08:35 AM
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8. He looks like a groovy, peaceful guy.....nt
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 08:49 AM
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9. ...
:rofl: Uh-huh. :)
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 08:54 AM
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11. That's enough for many folks. nt
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 08:55 AM
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12. Agreed.
:hi:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:30 AM
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15. Yes, the Jungian "Duality of Man" complements of the flick Full Metal Jacket.
'A peace sign pined on your flak jacket and "born to kill" written on your helmet. What is this, some sort of sick joke?!?' :evilgrin:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:31 AM
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16. Indeed... one of my favorite scenes... from one of my favorite movies
from one of my favorite directors.

:evilgrin:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:35 AM
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17. Yes, that movie was awesome.
Up there with the best Vietnam Flicks such as Apocalypse Now and Platoon.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:25 PM
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21. over the short run - YES! DEFINITELY. However, I hold out HOPE that over the longer run people do

wise up, to a degree. But, it does seem to take a rather long time (for my taste).
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 07:29 AM
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6. They should do a similar survey but ask how much time is spent watching FOX "news".
That's probably an even bigger predictor.
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 08:53 AM
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10. As stupid as the media?
Probably. I don't see the media in general as an entity that encourages any intelligent debate or factual information.
Turn on just about any MSM news and you'll see what I mean.
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carolina8800 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:59 AM
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24. media indirectly responsible
Probably. I don't see the media in general as an entity that encourages any intelligent debate or factual information.
Turn on just about any MSM news and you'll see what I mean.









The media talks down to "us", that is for sure. Especially cnn. fox.........well you know. In general the media tries to make things simple, you know, so we can understand. I hate having my news dumbed down!!!
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:07 AM
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13. 9% of College Graduates believe Obama may be the Anti-Christ?
I just have to repeat that in order to let it sink in.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:21 PM
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18. Not all colleges are created equal.
Liberty U and the various other fanatical idiot-farms are considered colleges too.
That and some people are just born stupid. No amount of edumacation is going to fix it.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:13 PM
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20. The majority of that 9% are probably graduates from Xtian Universities like
Jerry Falwell's Liberty University.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 02:38 PM
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19. It's not as much intelligence as it is CONSCIOUSNESS.
As America descends into RW Authoritarianism & Corporatism, I have been watching it happen from the very first steps in the early 80s, even before I knew what it was I was seeing.

Now, while the gullibility factor of many RW Authoritarian Followers is high, I have met more than a few who, graded strictly on intelligence, are intelligent.

I realized a while ago that old term, "consciousness", which is of course NEVER deliberately discussed or analyzed on Corporate-Controlled M$M (duh, why would that be? lol), is much closer to the correlating characteristic.

Consciousness includes many attributes under it's rubric, from self-awareness to empathy, and in my opinion is much more of a factor in determining whether people are ripe to fall under the sway of Authoritarianism.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:43 AM
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26. Nail on the head!
I've met members of Mensa number than a hardwood plank.
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carolina8800 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:57 AM
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23. they have no clue
I think another real problem is that so many Americans don't have a clue how our political process even works. They NEVER know who the Speaker of House is. I've seen several polls showing that the MAJORITY of the public don't even know who Nancy Pelosi is............yet they are not at all happy with Congress. They often don't know who any of the main players in Congress are, let alone their own state/city/town. It is really annoying!!!!


If one doesn't even know who the Speaker is, how can they approve or disapprove of her/him????
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