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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 07:26 AM
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Collapsing empire watch
It's easy to say and easy to document, but quite difficult to really internalize, that the United States is in the process of imperial collapse. Every now and then, however, one encounters certain facts which compellingly and viscerally highlight how real that is. Here's the latest such fact, from a new study in Health Affairs by Columbia Health Policy Professors Peter A. Muennig and Sherry A. Glied (h/t):

In 1950, the United States was fifth among the leading industrialized nations with respect to female life expectancy at birth, surpassed only by Sweden, Norway, Australia, and the Netherlands. The last available measure of female life expectancy had the United States ranked at forty-sixth in the world. As of September 23, 2010, the United States ranked forty-ninth for both male and female life expectancy combined.

Just to underscore the rapidity of the decline, as recently as 1999, the U.S. was ranked by the World Health Organization as 24th in life expectancy. It's now 49th. There are other similarly potent indicators. In 2009, the National Center for Health Statistics ranked the U.S. in 30th place in global infant mortality rates. Out of 20 "rich countries" measured by UNICEF, the U.S. ranks 19th in "child well-being." Out of 33 nations measured by the OECD, the U.S. ranks 27th for student math literacy and 22nd for student science literacy. In 2009, the World Economic Forum ranked 133 nations in terms of "soundness" of their banks, and the U.S. was ranked in 108th place, just behind Tanzania and just ahead of Venezuela.

There is, however, some good news: the U.S. is now in fifth place in total number of executions, behind only China, Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia, and comfortably ahead of Yemen and Sudan, while there are two categories in which the U.S. has been and remains the undisputed champion of the world -- this one and this one. And, of course, the U.S. is not just objectively the greatest country on the planet, but the greatest country ever to exist in all of human history -- as Dave Roberts put it in response to these life expectancy numbers: "but we're No. 1 in bestness!" -- so we're every bit as exceptional as ever.


http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/


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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 07:59 AM
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1. but we are first in war!
we give our military more money than the rest of the world combined. so is it any wonder why we are a third world country?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 09:14 AM
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2. And it all started in 1980, when we got Raygun instead of democratic (small 'd') political reform.nt
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 02:55 PM
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3. It would be interesting to go back and see how the collapsing USSR shows up on these measures,
Edited on Tue Oct-12-10 02:56 PM by leveymg
and which has fallen further in relative and absolute terms. Bet the relative decline of the US has been greater, but life for the average person in Russia is still worse. Yippie! We won the Cold War! USA! USA! USA!

But, Bummer, man, we too lost the Cold War . . .
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 03:04 PM
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4. Emmanuel Todd
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Todd attracted attention in 1976 when he, at 25 years old, predicted the fall of the Soviet Union, based on indicators such as increasing infant mortality rates: La chute finale: Essais sur la décomposition de la sphère Soviétique (The Final Fall: An Essay on the Decomposition of the Soviet Sphere).

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In After the Empire: The Breakdown of the American Order (2001), Todd predicted the fall of the United States as the sole superpower and the emergence of a multipolar world, with the rise of Europe, Japan and Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Todd
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 03:09 PM
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5. This isn't published anywhere, but a relative who was an analyst for the DIA was to brief Caspar
Weinberger with the same conclusion in 1982, but his superiors at DIA made him change his conclusions.

He retired shortly thereafter.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 03:12 PM
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6. Yes, that sort of thing has been taboo since Raygun was installed in office.
Nothing but imperial happy talk since then.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 03:34 PM
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7. Exaggeration of threats is a must-do for "serious thinkers." Analysts can be completely wrong
Edited on Tue Oct-12-10 04:01 PM by leveymg
over and over again, and it will do no harm at all to their careers, so long as they err on the side of conventional wisdom and a bigger departmental budget.

All those sightings of "eight-foot-tall Russians" and "Al-Qaeda Number 3s" can't be wrong, can they?

Yet, they all seem to be blind to the real threat that get thousands of people killed: the lack of accountability at the top for being consistently wrong.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-10 05:31 AM
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8. K&Rnt
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