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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 01:18 PM
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They Rule: These are the Oligarchs and their helots
I don't know if anyone has posted a link to this site yet. It has a rather irritating Flash intro, and you have to click through it to get to the site itself.

It's worth it.

The information on this site needs to be widely known.

Even though it is a trifle out of date as to specifics (based on 2004 data) the reality is that at this level, the players don't change substantially.

"They Rule" ( http://www.theyrule.net/2004/tr2.php ) is a site that allows you to map the interconnections between the power structures controlling our lives.

It is a sobering testament to just how far the Oligarchy has succeeded in claiming control over our "democratic republic."

Leave your tinfoil hats at home. This is not a "conspiracy" in the classic sense. Bilderburg and Bohemian Grove aside, these few thousand individuals and the helots and minions who act for them have never sat down together and said "Okay, let's make a plan to take over everything."

Rather, this is the natural state of capitalism: The state it will always strive to return to, just as a plant will always grow toward the sun.

The Oligarchs do not see themselves as evil; they do not see themselves as destructive; they do not see themselves as abnormal. They are acting as comes naturally to human nature: They are trying to maximize the control of resources that benefit themselves and their family. They see it as a zero-sum game in which all players have an equal right and a theoretically equal capacity to compete.

The fact that the means they use to compete creates suffering for others is not their problem. All means are legitimate until they are caught by the law. They believe YOU'D do it that way if you were in their place. And anyway, they are not heartless. They give to charity. They provide scholarships. They see themselves as fundamentally good people who use the means at hand to benefit themselves and their families. And if that means using the means at hand (money) to keep slanting the playing field to favor them, well, so what? Wouldn't YOU do it, too? If you could? In fact, aren't you trying to, with your protests and your blogs and your Socialist rhetoric and your votes? It's the natural state of things, after all.

They take the "larger view" because they know that the system that put them on the top also increases the sum total of wealth and resources available, and that MUST benefit everyone, actually, even if the Oligarchs control that wealth and those resources. And they seriously believe that the regulations and laws that hamper them, the Oligarchs, must also be perceived as "hampering" to the rest of us as we step up to compete in the rough, tough, world of the marketplace and realpolitik. They profess that removing these "hampering" regulations and laws will not only benefit those who already have, they will benefit those have-nots sufficiently meritorious to step up and compete, as well.

They want us to understand this. Because it will, in their view, be better for all of us in the "long run." Our media, our educational systems, our entertainment should all carry this message, which is not a new one. It has been around for hundreds of years, ever since people started to realize that the "divine right" of a selected few to run things wasn't such a hot basis for organizing a civilization. It was a hell of an improvement on the old "divine right" theory, in fact. Opportunity should be there for all, and if you seize that opportunity to stack the deck in your own favor, well, that's natural, right? And ultimately good for everyone, because, face it, everyone would do it if they could.

They have been phenomenally successful in selling this idea, not because they are intentionally and systematically suppressing all other ideas (although some of that happens ad hoc, as it were,) but because, frankly, it's their ONLY idea. And they have a very loud "voice" of money and resources to make their case.

We, on the other hand, have many ideas. We believe that this or that group being systematically discriminated against is the critical pressure point. Or that the ongoing rape of the natural resources that sustain us all is the critical pressure point. Or that this or that specific economic remedy or imperative is the key wedge that will enable us to make change. Or that reforming the election system will put us on the road to a more equitable future. And we are ALL absolutely correct. And we are ALL out there making our cases, loudly and insistently, and frequently contradicting each other and elbowing each other aside to get more attention.

We ARE all correct, and that is the problem.

We have enormous power, more power than the Oligarchs, in real terms, WHEN WE UNITE. When we come together, not even coherently, around a concept like "things have to change" or "that's not fair" we can, occasionally, push back with a modicum of efficacy.

But we rarely, if ever, unite. And most of our efforts are focused around using a political system originally designed to maximize our power, to tinker with an economic system that is fundamentally structured to always return to its natural state: The Capitalist Oligarchy.

And therein lies the problem.

The political system, a Constitutional democratic republic designed by an amazing group of visionary philosophers, is an anachronism in respect to the economic system that it rests upon. And that economic system has made great progress in subverting and co-opting the political system to perpetuate itself.

We cannot take it back until and unless we create a unified and unifying message to create the public will to pry control of the Constitutional democratic republic from the Oligarchs.

Is this worth doing?

Yes. Because the Constitutional democratic republic is the best political tool for building a new economic structure that will take the best elements from the older systems, and weld them into an economy that provides incentive for creating, allocating, and preserving enough resources to support an expanding population. And for doing so in a manner that minimizes violence and the disruption that always causes the most suffering among the least powerful. And for maximizing individual liberty in polities with large populations with competing interests and beliefs.

What unifying message?

It must be powerful. It must appeal to emotions. It must reach a fundamental, reptile-brain part of the human consciousness. It must be accurate and truthful. It must be focused on the weakest point of the system we are trying to chance.

The Oligarchy itself.

Not as a matter of calling for the tumbril or specifying who should be up against the wall or taking vengeance. We cannot choose a method that will merely replace the old Oligarchs with new ones, as revolutions too often do.

No, we must focus on the FACT of the Oligarchy, not the Oligarchs themselves. On the FACT that these few thousands of people have a staggering level of power over the lives of billions, including ME. That there is no faceless shadowy conspiracy against us, but a systematic effort by these Oligarchs to maintain and increase their power and control over resources, regardless of the consequences to the rest of us.

It must be clear that "government" is NOT the problem, government controlled by THE OLIGARCHS is the problem. And that the solution to the problem is not "no government" or "less government" but a government freed from control by the Oligarchs and big enough and strong enough to meet the needs of all and resist the inevitable efforts to regain control by the Oligarchs.

And so: "They Rule"

That (or some variation of that, I'm not a powerful wordsmith) is the message. Not "We the People Rule" as it should be in our Constitutional democratic republic, but "They Rule."

We cannot focus our efforts on the helots and minions they use to advance their agendas. Elections are important but until we have public will behind us they will continue to be able to divide and conquer us and co-opt the officials we elect to do our will.

Only when we have a vast, swelling fervor in this country that it is NOT RIGHT that "They Rule" and we focus on that and demand that our elected officials change THAT, not some specific rule to be altered or injustice to be righted-- only then will we have a chance to make the change and have it stick.

It can be done. It HAS been done. It was done in the 20th Century as the robber barons and banksters were forced to give way to empower a government to benefit ALL of the people, not just the Oligarchs. They've been pushing back ever since. It's only natural.

Now we have a new crowd of banksters and robber barons: Our Oligarchs. Here they are: http://www.theyrule.net/2004/tr2.php

They Rule.

THIS is what we need to change.

adamantly,
Bright


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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 01:24 PM
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1. Wow. One of the most important posts ever to hit DU
but look! Something shiny over there!!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 03:51 PM
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14. I so agree. nm
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 01:31 PM
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2. Amazing amount of info. Thanks for posting.
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 01:40 PM
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3. K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 01:51 PM
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4. Great post. Hard site to navigate, but worth it.
Thanks.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 01:52 PM
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5. oooo.... somebody unrec'd! I've arrived.
Don't think I've said anything important enough for anyone to unrec in a long time. I was starting to feel marginalized!

Thanks, unreccer! Nice to be part of the DU mainstream again!

appreciatively,
Bright
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 02:03 PM
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6. None of this is news... the question is how do we unite?
When labor was struggling against the bosses, it certainly was hard and sometimes deadly, but there was a simple proposition--make the bosses pay more wages and provide better working conditions. You could organize auto workers, carpenters, truck drivers, Pullman porters and other specific types of workers. And even then, there were times when those segments did not work well together in the fight against the bosses. But it is hard to see how one would organize--and unite--the disparate groups today.

And there are many interests at work--glbt, women's rights, AIDs, immigrants, and others all vying for primacy. That is another reason why it easy for the powers that be to splinter opposition.


Anyone have an idea?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 02:16 PM
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7. Thanks -- will be back later to take a look at the link -
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 02:18 PM
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8. Divide and conquer they sure did. I thought we voted to change this!
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 04:54 PM
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20. It will not change as long as we have capitalism. nt
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lafayettelonewolf Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 02:18 PM
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9. K&R
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 02:31 PM
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10. Mr. George Lakoff begs to agree!
(And this is also in response to rfranklin):

What do we do? Maybe need to invite Mr. Lakoff to New Mexico, TygerBright, and gather some people who have a way with words, and come up with some very sharp messages, and then get on it, trying to get the message out.

MSM won't help, in fact they'll fight us. But we have YouTube and e-mail and many ways to spread the word. But it's got to have power and a unifying force, as you so well have pointed out.

I wonder if a take-off on "I'm not a witch..." would have some power: I'm not a Republican; I'm not a Democratic; I'm not even an Independent. In my heart, I'm a struggling human, just like you, and ....

Many wise people have made the point that we have to get a message out that transcrends party messages and appeals to our common humanity.

Your message, Bright, stirred a lot of thought for me. I operate a small business from home, and I worked for the Kucinich campaign. In talking to a certain vendor on behalf of the campaign, the guy said, "You're an entrepreneur; what are you doing working for Kucinich?" :)

It's true, I brought myself up by the bootstraps and created a small enterprise that serves my personal needs. I'm certainly not a big-money operator. But I have seen factors that keep people from taking personal responsibility (Yikes, I hope I don't sound like a Republican here), among them depression and hopelessness, even when there are opportunities to move up, and sometimes just flat-out expectations that the Universe should deliver security because of time spent in the Lotus position.

Today, there is a growing lack of opportunity even for the most motivated souls. But the frustration and anger over that fact are the stuff of the kind of movement you seem to be referring to in this OP.

I have read many stirring articles that get us all jived up to do something, and then end in ... "But what can we do?"

I think we can do something. Big oaks from little acorns grow. (Now you're going to want me to 'splain how we split the acorn and make use of its stored power!)

Must go. Might come back. This is a topic of supreme importance!

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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 02:53 PM
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11. TygrBright, first let me apologize.....
...because I hit the UnRec button, when I was trying to meant to hit Rec. Sorry. Didn't get enough sleep last night.

And to make it up to you, I found this link last year but haven't taken the time to really give it a whirl. But its a new and different kind of up-to-date database that'll blow your socks off when you see what it can do: http://www.nndb.com/

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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 03:29 PM
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13. I will rec for Tyger in appreciation for BOTH links.
Loves me some databases.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 04:05 PM
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17. Thank you!!! ;-) n/t
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 03:12 PM
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12. So uhm
When we finally get mad and get our torches and pitch forks ready, let me know. Mine have been ready and waiting for years.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 03:53 PM
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15. I think you hit it right on. Very well put. But until a majority of Americans understand this we are
lost.
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Blue Meany Donating Member (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 04:01 PM
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16. Indeed, they do see it as a zero-sum game, but they portray it
to the rest of us very differently: They say that there is room for infinite economic growth and the rising tide will lift all boats. But there aren't infinite resources so their wealth must result in someone else's poverty.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:49 PM
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35. Not only that, the lie (or wilfull ignorance) that there is room for infinite growth
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 03:08 PM by Amonester
WILL result in the final destruction of HUMAN LIFE itself (as well as too many ANIMAL AND VEGETAL LIVES in its demise) on this already over-exploited PLANET, and this, in an accelerating short period of time ahead.

Either they, collectively, are too stupid to realize such 'natural' and inevitable consequence of their economic ideology, or, if not, they might already know that it's too late already, that the damage done cannot be repaired by anyone, no matter how, that there is nothing to be done to avert it, so they collectively 'decided' to ignore it, and to adopt the 'take it while you can' attitude (since they think THEY will die before 'it' happens).

The constant 'we MUST favor GROWTH (and therefore, JOBS) obsession' (depending on WHAT KIND OF 'growth', if its not aimed at 'repairing' the HUGE damage DONE) will lead this species to its own extinction.


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rg123 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 04:21 PM
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18. Here is another in the same style
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 04:53 PM
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19. Excellent OP Bright,
the only way we get rid of this is to get rid of the system. It has taken many years, but that is the conclusion I have come to. The nature of capitalism demands that this will always be the result, though the players will shift a bit from time to time (well certain families have accumulated so much worth that they are basically permanent, but the new tech billionaires are now powerful as well, etc...).

The thread that holds it together is the "American Dream" - folks believe that they too could come up with some wonderful idea, or win the lottery, and become fabulously wealthy. For more than 99% of us that remains a fairy tale, but it is a very powerful one.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:47 PM
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33. What system would replace it?
Any system would require maintenance to prevent power plays. "Fairness" does not occur in nature.

--imm
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 05:29 PM
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21. We've been leaping towards an oligarchy with giant scissor steps for years
The Citizen United SCOTUS decision and the resulting 2010 election was one of the latest moves. Now the extension of the Estate Tax reprieve to sweeten their pot.

I never thought I'd see this in my lifetime. Now I can only hope for a slow, grinding reversal.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 05:48 PM
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22. So what do we do to get rid of the system?
Edited on Wed Dec-15-10 05:50 PM by puebloknot
I posted on the fly earlier, and in reading what I wrote, I see my old argument that spins in my head: The Dems are better than the Repubs, but they are complicit, too. We need a more universal message that rises above party loyalties, but when the rubber hits the road, would I vote for anything but a Dem? (I'd vote for Bernie if he ran.)

Elections are important, but they are royally f*&*ed. They're our Roman Circus to keep us all distracted. We dutifully vote, and they don't count the votes -- a la Bush v. Gore of just ten years ago on the 12th.

Short of marching in the streets, what can we do? And if we march in the streets, there are draconian weapons for crowd control that didn't exist during Vietnam.

Other than complete collapse and rebuilding, what can we do to have an impact?

I sometimes think that a shortage of money could shut down the whole system. The system depends on taxes. Would there ever be a tax revolt? (Fear, fear, fear says no.) But what if enough people just get so desperate they can't pay taxes? What then?

Excuse my few moments in musing "on the couch" here, but what say ye? Anyone know what we can do. (And, of course, Agent Mike will be taking notes, so we won't have any secrets.)

One would think that the WikiLeaks scenario would have subpoenas flying as we speak. I wonder if a great silence will descend and nothing will happen except that Julian Assange may be in grave peril.

I'm not a young thing. I never thought I'd see my country in this state.



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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 07:57 PM
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25. What do we do? We COMMUNICATE.
The key is to get the message out. We need to push back against the propaganda that the government, per se, is the enemy: On the contrary, government of, by, and for US is our only real protection from the Oligarchs.

Of, By, and For: Us or the Oligarchs?

Until a sufficient plurality of our fellow citizens focuses their deep anxiety and restless discontent on the fact that the Oligarchs have corrupted and co-opted the government that should be empowering us, protecting our access to opportunity, and ensuring a distribution of resources and benefits for ALL, today and for seven generations out, we can accomplish little.

So we must bend our efforts to focusing that deep anxiety and restless discontent on its proper target. By communicating, copiously and relentlessly and with conviction and WITH A UNIFIED VOICE. Using the new media, since the Oligarchs control the old media. And we better work like hell to keep control of the new media out of their hands as well. Whatever we may think about Anonymous, about Wikileaks, about Net Neutrality and privacy versus information that wants to be free, we better keep control of the Tubes out of the hands of Comcast and the other helots of the Oligarchs.

We keep pointing out who is really in charge. Not the faceless Corporations, either, but the few thousand living, breathing Oligarchs who control those corporations and the vast reservoir of capital and resources at their command.

We must resist the temptation to demonize them, because no individual Oligarch is the problem and many are actually sympathetic to the ideals, if not the reality, of a Constitutional democratic republic. Demonization will not serve us. But the more people know how much of their lives and destinies are being controlled, NOT by "the government," but by these few thousand people using and manipulating the government, the clearer it becomes that we must restore control of the government to US, and empower the government to act in OUR interests, not in the interests of the Oligarchs.

Of, By, and For WHO?

Get the word out. Keep getting the word out. Connect the dots. Fill in the lines. Attach responsibility where it belongs. Shine the light on how far our destinies are controlled by the Oligarchs. Just that.

encouragingly,
Bright
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:43 PM
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27. Inspiring, and I think what many of us have been doing all along.
But that issue of *what* the message should be. We need our own Ministry of Progressive Talking Points, to help us all be more focused and more effective. :) We hear over and over that the intense message discipline of the Republicans is what keeps us from getting a toehold in the consciousness of the greater population. "Brainwashing," it's been called.

It's one thing to be highly literate, to be able to express our own thoughts to the already-converted. It's learning how to be less verbose (I'm addressing my own tendencies here) and to find a short and truthful message that grabs the attention of honest people who have neither a lot of time nor inclination to pay attention to "politics," but who can hear it when their whole existence is threatened.

Trouble is, no matter how cogent the message, there's still the crowd that believes Satan is manipulating our way of life. (A lot of them are my relatives!)

But, I've read studies that show that it only takes a small minority to have a major impact on the wider population. The corner of the Hologram that contains the whole. Margaret Meade. The Final Straw. The Tipping Point. New Age or Mainstream, these ideas are everywhere.

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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 06:36 PM
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44. Start with corporate personhood
People empathise corporations don't. People act from a complex of motives; corporations are motivated only by profit. This whole notion of corporate personhood is incredibly pernicious and destructive, and has never been examined from an ethical or moral standpoint or subjected to public debate. It's time it was.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 08:37 PM
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45. Yep. Corporate personhood has got to go. And the whole "money is speech" thing has to go.
We have to get our elections back. Money is NOT speech, campaign donations should NOT enjoy First Amendment protection, corporations are NOT citizens and their actions are not protected by the Constitution.

Making those changes should be a top priority as soon as we have some momentum.

But first we have to broaden the recognition of how our Oligarchs control our political and economic systems, and how it harms us all.

militantly,
Bright
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 06:19 PM
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23. The elected leaders and the middle class
must sign on if we are going to rid this country of the Oligarchs.The problem is our elected officials,most of them are sell outs." You must go along along to get along " is the rule the rules they use in order to get the freshmen congressmen and women to join the ranks of the bought congress.Talk radio is another problem to be addressed,the paid talking heads that appeal to certain groups also need to be changed.Those five felons on the supreme court that ruled in favor of the oligarchs are shameless and should be impeached.Maybe your article will awaken some of our sleeping citizens and if we all march together change can come about.Thanks for the article,I will show it to all my friends.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 06:55 PM
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24. I wish I could recommend this more than once. This is very well written.
A comment: "They see it as a zero-sum game in which all players have an equal right and a theoretically equal capacity to compete." Yes I agree. And if you cant compete and you die, that's life. Someone in DU provided this quote: "It's not that they want to kill us, it's just that they dont care if we die". No hard feelings.

But what they dont recognize is that sooner or later it will be their turn on the zero-sum merry-go-round. The big fish eat the small fish and sooner or later you are the small fish to another bigger fish. That's unrestrained capitalism.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:36 PM
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26. Trouble with site
It loaded very tiny print and I could not get it to enlarge enough to read it
:shrug:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:45 PM
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28. VERY Interesting and informative. Thanks for posting this, TygrBright. REC. nt
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:44 AM
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29. f-ing awesome.
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Astrad Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:58 AM
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30. Great post
It seems though that the most effective way of thwarting resistance is to buy off those who emerge as leaders within the resistance itself. The oligarchs have the money and resources to co-opt almost anyone into their fold. We see this time and time again when someone goes to Congress with radical ideas to change the system only to find themselves showered with donations and offers and wealth. I believe no one in the Senate is less than a millionaire. This may speak to human nature and if so, the Oligarchs have us over a barrel.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 11:00 AM
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31. Excellent.
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Moostache Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:22 PM
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32. Outstanding work sir! Hear, Hear!!
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:53 PM
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34. It's called "emergent behavior." Part of Chaos Theory.
Very good that you explained it so well.

I have encountered conspiracy theorists, to whom I say, "Not necessary." The oligarchs are the "cellular automatons" whose respective independent behaviors give the appearance of organization. They don't need to conspire.

--imm
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 05:15 PM
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36. a great site. thanks. bookmarked. saved link in file on flashdrive too. Would have recommended but
was too late. Thanks. great information.

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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 05:27 PM
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37. check out these sites of theyrule.. a blog with loads of entries
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 05:29 PM by JohnWxy
http://www.theyrule.net/html/ with links to more

and... http://www.theyrule.net/html/about.php more entries and information and links.

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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 10:01 AM
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40. Excelllent Add
To an excellent thread.
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Traditional Liberal Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 09:42 PM
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38. I hereby found the guillotine party

One tenth of one percent control the vast majority of wealth in the nation.

That is 300,000 individuals, who are parasites on the 299 million of us who are not oligarchs.

The icon of the French Revolution was the Guillotine.




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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 10:04 AM
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41. As emotionally satisfying as that might be
We forget that a substantial portion of the populace would gladly take other groups to the guillotine for job security. Best beware of drastic solutions. France ended up with an Emperor after that...
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 09:58 AM
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39. Tygr
You seem to be coming from the same place I am. And your writing is just fine. Too bad I found it too late to recommend it. It was refreshing to see you pull all the pieces together in your post. I'm spreading the word about your conclusions here. Thanks for making the thread, we need in this Year of the Tiger to reveal the truths we may not have wanted to face. It's do or die.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 09:55 PM
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46. Thomas Paine
Addressed the problem when he wrote Agrarian Justice:

http://www.constitution.org/tp/agjustice.htm

It's also reflected on the Social Security website:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/tpaine3.html

It's about the moral need to take care of the dispossessed, which is how oligarchy is created.

We've lost the institutions that leveled the field.

The phrase, 'provide for the common welfare' has a meaning.






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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:27 PM
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42. bttt!
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 05:29 PM
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43. Excellent: cuts right to the core of the problem.
Now what are we going to do about it?
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