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Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 11:31 PM by RandomThoughts
I thought about it as consolidations increase, the relative structure and size of the consolidated decreases. Unless you can make 'power' some arbitrary thing that can be dispersed unevenly like money.
The key component to making everything about money, is money can be distributed without any moral or equitable thought, hence the removal of all moral thought, and a shift of everything being about money, is the only way the money state can maintain an unequal situations.
But at some point, they want even the money of the people that helped them consolidate up to the point they are at. That is when they take freewill and thought, what some have said is the concept of thinking everyone can be on top some day, or the request to be a slave, so that you can be a slave holder someday. Different then a serving because you think it is what is better.
It is also the two sides, if you help someone above you in the ^, eventually their will be one thing that has everything you will be enslaved to, with no way to stand against its control or power, hell basically, because it has no moral component, and when all the money is controlled, then it has to take things like free will, speech and thought, and even become sadistic.
In the V model, people are helped up to a larger size community at the top, where you always try to help people below you, and then society can move up relative to a universal comparison of what is best as the whole V moves up. In the ^ model it can not continue to move up, since at some point it must be supported by items below it, and the base does not hold at some point, that is why the taking of thought and speech and free will occurs, when that occurs eventually everything is an extension of the thing at the top, and no longer exists except as an extension of that thing. Then that one thing is alone. That is the difference from community all of one thing with free will, and controlled by something without free will, but still two different entities. The 0 sum gain world can not move to a better situation, the win win can.
Your presumption that tyranny can not last requires people not to allow themselves to be burned out. Instead they would choose to think and feel based on what they they view as better. For most sticking to the ideals of helping people, and thinking on what is better so that when the top needs its support it can not get that support from all the people it put in its base.
Why you don't break, and stick to what you think is best also.
If everyone follows blindly, it would never fail, hence why removal of thought, and various PR and conditioning is so sought after at some stage in that ^ structure, and how then it uses fear, and even enslavement at some point.
If every person became a mindless follower of what they were told to do, then that 'idea' could actually succeed, but there would be only one thing that actually existed, the rest would be burn outs under it. And it would be alone.
Then that leads to some concepts of respark, and a few other things, and there being many ^ in many places, not yet under central control being relit also, but that is a more of a thought problem. And as they are relit the controlled things under them are freed to think and feel again, and that allows for movement, or something like that.
That is also why people that do not burn out are tried to be excluded or removed from the ^ system, and why there are so many stories of the groups coming back to help when people are ready, a comment of when a ^ system is relit, and people are able to be relit also, that is in many stories also, and why waiting it out, while trying to help and educate if possible, is a common motif in many groups.
Funny thing they think knowledge is stored in society itself, and some think they can remove knowledge by scorching sky, or removing people from discourse, also why seems best to show knowledge can come from outside the system and so can not be removed, in that the ^ never succeeds, and none are lost that can be relit.
Or was going to write a story about that.
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