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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:31 AM
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The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives.
Fascinating! (video and/or transcript)

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html

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Suppose that two American friends are traveling together in Italy. They go to see Michelangelo's "David," and when they finally come face-to-face with the statue, they both freeze dead in their tracks. The first guy -- we'll call him Adam -- is transfixed by the beauty of the perfect human form. The second guy -- we'll call him Bill -- is transfixed by embarrassment at staring at the thing there in the center. So here's my question for you: which one of these two guys was more likely to have voted for George Bush, which for Al Gore?

I don't need a show of hands because we all have the same political stereotypes. We all know that it's Bill. And in this case, the stereotype corresponds to reality. It really is a fact that liberals are much higher than conservatives on a major personality trait called openness to experience. People who are high in openness to experience just crave novelty, variety, diversity, new ideas, travel. People low on it like things that are familiar, that are safe and dependable.

If you know about this trait, you can understand a lot of puzzles about human behavior. You can understand why artists are so different from accountants. You can actually predict what kinds of books they like to read, what kinds of places they like to travel to, and what kinds of food they like to eat. Once you understand this trait, you can understand why anybody would eat at Applebee's, but not anybody that you know. (Laughter) This trait also tells us a lot about politics. The main researcher of this trait, Robert McCrae says that, "Open individuals have an affinity for liberal, progressive, left-wing political views" -- they like a society which is open and changing -- "whereas closed individuals prefer conservative, traditional, right-wing views."

This trait also tells us a lot about the kinds of groups people join. So here's the description of a group I found on the Web. What kinds of people would join a global community welcoming people from every discipline and culture, who seek a deeper understanding of the world, and who hope to turn that understanding into a better future for us all? This is from some guy named TED. (Laughter) Well, let's see now, if openness predicts who becomes liberal, and openness predicts who becomes a TEDster, then might we predict that most TEDsters are liberal? Let's find out. I'm going to ask you to raise your hand, whether you are liberal, left of center -- on social issues we're talking about, primarily -- or conservative, and I'll give a third option, because I know there are a number of libertarians in the audience. So, right now, please raise your hand -- down in the simulcast rooms too, let's let everybody see who's here. Please raise your hand if you would say that you are liberal or left of center. Please raise your hand high right now. OK. Please raise your hand if you'd say you're libertarian. OK, about a -- two dozen. And please raise your hand if you'd say you are right of center or conservative. One, two, three, four, five -- about eight or 10.

OK. This is a bit of a problem. Because if our goal is to understand the world, to seek a deeper understanding of the world, our general lack of moral diversity here is going to make it harder. Because when people all share values, when people all share morals, they become a team, and once you engage the psychology of teams, it shuts down open-minded thinking. When the liberal team loses, as it did in 2004, and as it almost did in 2000, we comfort ourselves. (Laughter) We try to explain why half of America voted for the other team. We think they must be blinded by religion, or by simple stupidity. (Laughter) (Applause) So, if you think that half of America votes Republican because they are blinded in this way, then my message to you is that you're trapped in a moral matrix, in a particular moral matrix. And by the matrix, I mean literally the matrix like the movie "The Matrix."

But I'm here today to give you a choice. You can either take the blue pill and stick to your comforting delusions, or you can take the red pill, learn some moral psychology and step outside the moral matrix. Now, because I know -- (Applause) OK, I assume that answers my question. I was going to ask you which one you picked, but no need. You're all high in openness to experience, and besides, it looks like it might even taste good, and you're all epicures. So anyway, let's go with the red pill. Let's study some moral psychology and see where it takes us....cont'd

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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 03:23 AM
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1. I doubt I have 18 minutes to spare to watch yet another...
explanation of just how we are on the higher ground of ethics, morality, and who knows what else.

From the conservatives I know in real life, most of them I would trust with my money, my house and car keys, and my wife. Probably about the same percentage as with the liberals I know in real life.

There are gasbags, hypocrites, liars and thieves in both camps, it it really does no good to claim the moral high ground, particularly on the basis of some of the more outlandish and public cases out there.



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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 03:37 AM
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2. You've just summarized that talk. How to get beyond the righteous high ground stance.
Edited on Sun Jan-16-11 03:39 AM by Dover
In other words, your assumptions about the talk are inaccurate. You might want to have a listen.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 02:53 AM
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6. OK, I listened and, yes, the talk was not what I had assumed. Good stuff there.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:22 PM
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3. Excellent way to phrase your point.
From the conservatives I know in real life, most of them I would trust with my money, my house and car keys, and my wife. Probably about the same percentage as with the liberals I know in real life.


I agree completely.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:58 PM
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4. I agree, Dover -- fascinating!
Thanks so much. :)

K&R

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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 03:00 PM
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5. wait just a dern second...I am a bookkeeper (accountant) and a Democrat!
In fact my theory about business is...you want your bookkeeper to be a Democrat and your salesman to be a Republican....

Ain't nothing worse than a greedy bookkeeper!
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