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Bill USA Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 06:22 PM
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Dancing for Corporate Dollars: PBS "News"Hour's Ifill (and friend) parrot more GOP Disinformation.

On the Wednesday, Jan 19th, broadcast of the NewsHour PBS reached a level of disinformation equal to that of the Fox News Network.

Ifill was delivering a "report" on the Corporate Lobbyists effort to repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Health Care Act with the help of a so-called expert (another GOP toadie) named DAVID CHALIAN.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june11/healthcare_01-19.html
IFill said: "Isn't it also confusing because it's hard to know what's true, whether it's a job-killing bill or a job-creating bill? You have Republicans and Democrats just toe-to-toe arguing the exact opposite thing.

DAVID CHALIAN: There's no doubt about that. And -- and the fact that there's no sort of arbiter right now works to both sides' advantages, right? They each get to make these points.


REALLY? "SO HARD TO KNOW WHAT'S TRUE" , Ms. IFill???

and: "..THERE'S NO ARBITER RIGHT NOW.." Mr. Chalian?? Well, I’ll be damned. And here I thought THERE WAS JUST SUCH AN ORGANIZATION KNOWN AS THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE ...WHICH, IN FACT, IS THE OFFICIAL ARBITER OF WHAT THE COSTS AND TAX REVENUES WILL BE FROM SPECIFIC PIECES OF LEGISLATION??

This is about the most blatant example of disinformation and parroting of Republican Propaganda as I have ever seen on broadcast television. This actually is the same kind of lieing that Fox News Network is notorious for. But Fox News Network is a cable network. It only goes to viewers who have paid for it (who presumably want to be lied to). PBS is broadcasting on the public airwaves.

But perhaps Ifill and Chalian aren’t dissembling. Perhaps neither IFill nor Chalain has heard of the Congressional Budget Office. Perhaps they are not trying to pass off GOP propaganda - that the CBO doesn’t know what it’s doing when it comes to scoring a piece of legislation - as the truth. Maybe Ifill and Chalian do NOT know that the CBO stated that the HCR law will have minimal impact on jobs - some being "lost" as some people retire earlier (but then those jobs could very well be filled by younger people as the employers just may want to replace people who retired earlier than would statistically be expected).

In addition to believing that, we would have to believe that Ifill and her toadie friend aren't aware of private sector analysts who have said the impact on employment of the HCR law will be minimal. Like Rand Corp, The Linder Group and the New America Foundation. (NOTE that the figures stated below are for a period of ten years over which the Patient Protection Act would fully go into effect).

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/01/a-job-killing-law/">FactCheck.org
One leading health care expert, John Sheils of The Lewin Group, puts the loss at between 150,000 and 300,000 jobs, at or near the minimum wage. And Sheils says that relatively small loss would be partly offset by gains in the health care industry.

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When we reported on this issue in November 2009, the House was debating a health care bill with tougher requirements and penalties for employers than the law now has. Even under that bill, Elizabeth McGlynn, associate director of the health unit at RAND Corp., told us the effect on jobs "is likely to be quite minimal." McGlynn said: "Most large businesses already offer health insurance. And most small businesses are excluded from the mandate. So it’s relatively few firms that will be affected."



..or The New America Foundation...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/01/17/106950/is-health-care-law-really-a-job.html">Experts doubt GOP claim that health care law's a 'job killer’ - McClatchy

Republicans have titled their effort to overturn the law the "Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act," and that's their favorite talking point against it. The House of Representatives will start debate on repeal Tuesday and probably vote Wednesday.

Saying that the law is a job killer doesn't necessarily make it one, however, and independent experts say that such a conclusion is at least premature, if not unfounded.

"The claim has no justification," said Micah Weinberg, a senior research fellow at the centrist http://health.newamerica.net/node/43100">New America Foundation's Health Policy Program

Since the law contains dual mandates that most individuals must obtain health insurance coverage and most employers must offer it by 2014, "the effect on employment is probably zero or close to it," said Amitabh Chandra, a professor of public policy at Harvard University.

http://health.newamerica.net/node/43100">New America Foundation - Health Policy Program

Economic analysis, though, is an inherently flexible exercise and a great deal depends on one's assumptions. The claim that we can be certain that healthcare reform eliminates jobs, though, has no justification. It's not an irrational position, but there is vastly stronger justification for the claim that it will create jobs than that it will eliminate them.



IMPACT OF SICK LEAVE LOSSES ON EMPLOYERS

.. additionally, none of these studies considered the impact of better health care on employer losses due to workers taking days off for illness. This costs employers about http://independentretailer.com/2010/08/01/illness-costs-employers/">8.7% of their total payroll costs (Nationally, that comes to roughly $492 BILLION). Presumably the provision of better health care to an additional 30-34 million people will have a beneficial impact on their health. This should result in fewer sick days being taken (including by those employees who picked up illnesses from those employees who were sick but came to work anyway). IF the sick leave losses were reduced by 3% that would be a savings to employers of about $15 Billion per year. With that savings employers could hire about 360,000 additional workers.





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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 06:37 PM
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1. So...
You don't get playing devil's advocate to extract info? Hmmm..
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Bill USA Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 07:05 PM
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2. LOL. Very poor apologia. IF that were true she should have cited those who have made a clear
statement that the law's jobs affect will be minimal. As to the statement "there isn't an official arbiter".. no real journalist could let that pass without mentioning the obvious ("Uhhh, what's the CBO for?").

That's like standing in the shadow of the Washington monument with somebody and listening to them say: "There JUST is no recognition of George Washington in this city."... and saying nothing.

Don't be ridiculous. Listening to someone (who PBS Newshour has proffered as an expert) saying there is no arbiter, saying there are no sources of impartial judgements on the jobs impact of the Affordable Health Care act and Ifill not correcting that flagrant outrageous LIE..is like being caught in some insane scene from a Marx brothers movie. IFill not correcting the lie is providing tacit confirmation of it.

She is turning tricks for corporate dollars.

THE NEXT TIME PBS CALLS ME FOR MONEY I'M GOING TO TELL THEM: "HAVE'NT YOU GOTTEN ENOUGH IN PAY-OFFS FROM THE CORPORATE LOBBYIST PARTY?"

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 07:12 PM
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3. Fuck that noise... that RW talking points noise to boot...
I think you need to re-read. There is no arbiter. There is no one to call either camp on the carpet. The CBO issues data, they don't arbitrate. Plus, both sides pull the data they deem appropriate... the CBO data can be cherry picked.
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Bill USA Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 07:30 PM
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4. Well, such a well reasoned statement. "There is no arbiter" nice to hear from the
Corporate Lobbyist Party who insists the Congressional Budget Office doesn't know how to score a bill.

I need a re-read? LOL!

What's hard to understand about Chalian's statement: "the fact that there's no sort of arbiter".. it's not a fact. His statement denies reality ..just as yours does.

I realize conservatives, Corporate Lobbyist Partiers, and their sucker followers have made a life-style out of trying to define their own reality. But I think it's better to come back to the reality the rest of the world shares. The CBO does not just issue data they are relied upon by Congress to make estimates of what the revenues and costs are likely to be as a result of enacting a given bill. That's what they were set up to do so that congress would have their own group to do these estimates as opposed to listening solely to what the executive branch was saying.

Really, try reality for a change. It's not that bad, really.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_Office

"The CBO was created as a nonpartisan agency by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974."
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 07:57 PM
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5. I've watched PBS NewsHour going down the drain for some time but this is really bad!
You're right. This is blatant, obvious! I'm surprised they would try something so clearly intended to help sell the GOP talking point that the CBO can't do the job they were set up to do!

Must be trying to vie with FoxNews for the ignorant demographic!

Thanks for the post. (We need to point out when M$M is pushing disinformation.)

Recommended. Bookmarked.
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