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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:34 AM
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If Mubarak had not ruled Egypt as a dictator, the World Trade Center would still be standing
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/opinion/31douthat.html

The Devil We Know
By ROSS DOUTHAT

As the world ponders the fate of Egypt after Hosni Mubarak, Americans should ponder this: It’s quite possible that if Mubarak had not ruled Egypt as a dictator for the last 30 years, the World Trade Center would still be standing. This is true even though Mubarak’s regime has been a steadfast U.S. ally, a partner in our counterterrorism efforts and a foe of Islamic radicalism. Or, more aptly, it’s true because his regime has been all of these things.

In “The Looming Tower,” his history of Al Qaeda, Lawrence Wright raises the possibility that “America’s tragedy on September 11 was born in the prisons of Egypt.” By visiting imprisonment, torture and exile upon Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, Mubarak foreclosed any possibility of an Islamic revolution in his own country. But he also helped radicalize and internationalize his country’s Islamists, pushing men like Ayman Al-Zawahiri — Osama bin Laden’s chief lieutenant, and arguably the real brains behind Al Qaeda — out of Egyptian politics and into the global jihad.

At the same time, Mubarak’s relationship with Washington has offered constant vindication for the jihadi worldview. Under his rule, Egypt received more American dollars than any country besides Israel. For many young Egyptians, restless amid political and economic stagnation, it’s been a short leap from hating their dictator to hating his patrons in the United States. One of the men who made this leap was an architecture student named Mohamed Atta, who was at the cockpit when American Airlines Flight 11 hit the World Trade Center.

These sound like good reasons to welcome Mubarak’s potential overthrow, and the end to America’s decades-long entanglement with his drab, repressive regime. Unfortunately, Middle Eastern politics is never quite that easy. The United States supported Mubarak for so long because of two interrelated fears: the fear of another Khomeini and the fear of another Nasser. Both anxieties remain entirely legitimate today. The first fear everyone understands, because we’re still living with the religious tyranny that Ayatollah Khomeini established in Iran in 1979, in the wake of a spontaneous revolution not unlike the one currently sweeping Cairo and Alexandria. The second fear is less immediately resonant, because Gamal Abdel Nasser is now 40 years in the grave. But the last time a popular revolution in the land of the pharaohs overthrew a corrupt regime, the year was 1952, Nasser was the beneficiary — and Washington lived to rue the day he came to power...
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:47 AM
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1. Palestine is still the problem......
And the US desire to control the world for the corporatist elite. This is going to be disaster for us and for our civilization. The corporate elite will take care of themselves; the rest of us will have to make do with what is left over.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:57 AM
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2. Spot on. nt
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:59 AM
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3. Very inteteresting angle. K & R nt
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:25 AM
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4. 1-Muslim Brotherhood started 1928, 2-Ayman al-Zawahiri joined 1965,&was tortured 1st by Anwar Sadat
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:52 AM
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6. You support the Muslim Brotherhood? n/t
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:27 AM
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7. no!, merely pointing out that this root cause way predates Mubarak
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 03:44 AM by stockholmer
The Anglo-American banking/military cartel has had their destabilizing fingers in the Middle East pie for well over 100 years.

In fact, the Muslim Brotherhood was a partial British Intelligence creation, (later also tied to the USA CIA) designed to destabilize the entire region. The Brotherhood even moved their headquarters to London in 1955. It is the same old game Anglo/Amricans always play, create a controlled opposition, and then divide and conquer, as the circumstances dictate.


http://souria.org/club/forums/624173/ShowPost.aspx

http://markcurtis.wordpress.com/2010/12/18/britain-and-the-muslim-brotherhood-collaboration-during-the-1940s-and-1950s/

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_militancy_202700

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/singapore/TO7CKPL7NRF1QKSEV

http://www.redmoonrising.com/Ikhwan/MB.htm
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:50 AM
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5. Oh sure, Mubarak is responsible for all the ills in the world-he had a hand in everything evil.
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 02:51 AM by wisteria
:eyes:
it amazes me that no one at DU had a bad word to say about him until a couple of days ago. Now, he is being written about as if he personified the devil himself.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 04:11 AM
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8. to get head start on your critique, a pox on all the USA puppet stooge dictators around the world
At the top of the list, the murderous, uber-corrupt House of Saud


oohhhhhh, wait , 4 months ago, war-machine bought-and-paid for Obama approved a $90 billion arms deal to the Saudis (the largest arms deal in history)
http://www.economist.com/blogs/newsbook/2010/09/saudi-american_arms_deal



they must actually be good guys (/sarcasm off)


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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:44 AM
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9. Right.
Mubarak is only a violent dictator that betrayed the interests of his citizens. This is happening throughout the Western world, even the U.S., why should we care. No problem.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:08 AM
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10. If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass and
if the USSR hadn't invaded Afghanistan the towers would still be standing and there would be no Al Qaeda- hhmm, it's Stalin's fault. But then again without Stalin and the legendary USSR resistance against third Reich maybe there wouldn't be New York but Neue Berlin.Ja!
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