Hitler Flap: Started by the Left?

[liberalmike27]

I've heard more than once lately that Bush's Hitler ad was started by the left, and how increasing comparisons of Hitler and Bush's similarities have wrought such acrimony that it isn't good for the polemics. I shouldn't wonder that the media would once again get it wrong, and that they would place the blame for Bush's Hitler ad on the "loony left."

Apparently, to them, America has not changed. They've not noticed the steady shift to the right (or have they?) of the media, and the political spectrum. Out of the clear blue sky those nasty lefties have suddenly activated for "no particular reason" as Forest Gump might have say. Have they managed to miss the intense consolidation of the media, and its shift to conservative bias?

Somehow I guess they've missed a few things lately, hard to imagine considering "news" is their business. We've seen globalization and union-busting, which have suppressed wages for the lower 90% of Americans, while the profits of the top ten percent multiply immensely. We've then seen tax-cuts for the same top ten percent on top of that, while the poorest received none, and much of the middle class tax cut will be increasingly absorbed by alternative minimum tax, property taxes, and inflation. We've seen terrorists from Saudi Arabia attack, and after an ineffective token attack on Afghanistan, where the top-dogs of the Al-Quaeda organization's pack hung out and managed to easily escape, we entered straight-away into a war without justification with Iraq. None of the hijackers from the 9/11 attack were from Iraq, Hans Blix wanting to continue inspections, had stated that he thought Iraq had disposed of the weapons of mass destruction given to him by Reagan, Bush, and the allies. Saudi Arabia was the source of the funding of the 9/11 attacks, according the best intelligence we had before the attack. While mostly poor kids go to fight the war in Iraq, from economically depressed areas like Flint, Michigan and other inner city areas, the Bush family and many in the White House are making big money from Oil, Energy, and other concerns straight from the government till. While war is waged, and big-timers profit, the number of uninsured multiply, the domestic agenda is ignored, our budget is bankrupted, and our highways crumble.

With so many things happening that continue to divide our country into the super-wealthy, and the working class, into a two-tiered system of fabulous wealth, and the rest of us, is it any wonder that the left has activated in such a vociferous, wonderful, and all too American way? Does the media have any justification for their accusation of extreme muckraking on the left? Did the left start it? Is Bush, with his new ad comparing Gephardt, Dean, Moore, and Gore to Hitler justified by this new revanche from the left? I don't think so.

After years of putting up with economic and war policy that was extreme-right, the 9/11 attack's response and the lies involved with it, the unjustified actions have finally set the sensible minds of the peaceful, egalitarian left afire. Nowhere was it more obvious than in the Dean campaign.

The media's accusation that the extreme-left started the Hitler ad-war, is an outgrowth of a contest from an independently motivated organization called Move On, who sponsored a contest for an ad about Bush. One of the hundreds of submissions by an individual, disassociated with the Kerry campaign, apparently compared Bush to Hitler. As soon as the Move On organization heard about the objection, they removed this ad from the web site. Is Kerry responsible for everything, every crime, every move of one of his supporters. Is Bush? Is the Bush comparison of many popular Democrats to Hitler in a nationwide ad justified by one individual who entered a contest on one of Billions of web sites?

Let us not forget about Republicans comparing veteran Max Cleland to Osama, even though he has only stumps remaining where three limbs used to be, sacrificed on the battlefields of Vietnam, now known to be a war of aggressive American Imperialism. Is it just Democrats who have to hold to the line of the ridiculous comparisons, or is it okay for Republicans to have carte blanche to use of this tactic? Where was their outrage during this despicable act by the Republican campaign? Where was the widespread condemnation?

Finally, aren't the Bush administration's actions, somewhat responsible for the ever-increasing comparisons with Hitler? Even respectable judges complain about the way Bush has pushed the envelope of the law, taking freedoms we all hold dear. Hitler was known to invade other countries without a good reason, he certainly coveted the myriad lucre conquered European countries had to offer. Hitler thought he had a better way to do things. Hitler employed a ministry of propaganda (Pentagon-fed mainstream media) often intimidating them if they stepped out of line "asking the difficult questions." So they didn't. Hitler certainly reduced the rights of his people, much like the dubiously named Patriot Act restricts American freedom. Quite the paradox from a guy who touted our freedom as the reason the terrorists attacked. What does it sound like when our government is able to haul people off, throw them in jail without a trial? How about being able to search without a warrant, the ever so cutely termed sneak and peek? Does Bush hope that by destroying bit of freedom he will soothe the ire of the terrorists? I doubt it. Mostly, Hitler thought he had a better way of doing things, a better way of government, and any killing or force he had to use to do it was okay, even absolutely necessary. And let's not forget the throngs of supporters, who were just absolutely sure Hitler was right, who thrust their right-hand into the air shouting Seig Heil. Bush certainly has throngs of these types, who have found no fault, even in the face of repeated lies, mischaracterization, and various types of manipulation of the English language, unwilling to admit the smallest fault.

Is Bush Hitler, exactly? Of course not. But if the media, the Bush Administration, or Bush supporters are looking for the people who started it, don't look at us, "the loony left." We didn't start this fire-fight. Perhaps they should be a bit more introspective about why so many are seeing all of these similarities with some of the Fascist elements of World War Two. We are simply reacting to what we have seen in the past few decades. We are reacting to an American foreign policy direction that seems to have culminated in the 9/11 attack and its aftermath. Simply put, Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, well, you know the rest. Inevitably, that duck will be accused of being what he is, and it would seem, that duck is a quack. Perhaps the best way for this cabal to stop the proliferating characterizations of Bush's actions as Hitler-esque, would be to stop acting the role.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. My opponent has a first name,

it's h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e! My opponent has a second name, it's G-O-fuckin-P.

[tom_paine]

3. No, our opponents' first name in M-O-N-S-T-E-R

and we would do better to remember that.

We must remember that our Fellow Americans have been revealed as weak, slavish, ignorant and apathetic. Would they stand up against Tyranny or even REAL EVIL?

A few maybe. Not many. Many MORE than would stand against it would go along happily, many more would "do their jobs". Most other would cean the greasy soot from their windows, metaphorically speqaking, as the Auschwitz villagers did literally.

This is my opinion. I hope I'm wrong. The Imperial Subjects of Amerika would no more stop horror once it begins than the Germans of 1933, properly motivated and propagandized, as the Germans were and Amerikans ARE (well, they haven't been "properly motivated" by their Bushevik Masters YET but that is likely coming).

We must understand, I mean REALLY UNDERSTAND, what we are up against.

Is your average Republican a monster? No, but many would happily go Fully Soviet or perhaps Nazi fi it gave them the chnace to murder liberals without consequences, investigation, nor prosecution.

The rest would clean the greasy soot off their windows every morning.

A handful would Stand and Be True.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

4. Point well noted

but in this case, they're hypocrites, and that's what I'm referring to now. You're right though - they are monsters.

[DenverDem]

2. If bushler doesn't want to be compared to hitler

he should stop acting like him.

[zbdent]

5. Search for the word Hitlery

and see how many times it has been in use since 1991.

[Senior citizen]

6. How did they get hold of it?

I've seen plenty of very well-reasoned comparisons of the two dictators, from BFEE history of trading with the enemy and comparison of 9/11 to the Reichstag fire, to "same shit, different asshole." But this one was apparently submitted for a contest but not chosen. Was it posted for public viewing so that people could vote (and copy if if they wished), or was it submitted by the right so that they could say it came from the left?

[Politicub]

7. No no no -- it was started by Clinton's cock

According to the GOP (Grand Ole Perverts) everything has been caused by Clinton's cock. EVERYTHING.

It only stands to reason that *'s use of Hitler imagery was caused by the psychic vibes emanating from Clinton's member. Bill's willy is also responsible for global warming, peak oil and, yes, Pickles' Valium addiction.

[Slickriddles]

8. Who Threw the first epithet? Mr. Natural

My understanding is that moveon.org's 30-second anti-bush ad contest drew two ads that used a Hitler motif and they were quickly withdrawn.


However if you read the following thread carefully

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1869640 it should be evident that some here at DU seem to have a vested interest in giving this meme legs. Why I don't know. You might have to ask them.

[liberalmike27]

9. Well

I'm not sure who'd try to talk up Hitler, but I doubt many people here use Bush to make Hitler look good, unless it's some perverse sense of humor.

Obviously, some of us see disturbing similarities with the direction Bush is taking us, and we think that it could possibly be "similar" to the early years of Hitler. It's about the direction, rather than any exact comparisons.

[Karenina]

10. Did you ask, "WHO started it???"

Just a tiny offering of bits on DU with hopes it will help connect a few dots...

Stevie D Thu Jul-01-04 12:52 AM
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IBM, the Holocaust, and Mississippi

IBM and the Holocaust, by Edwin M. Black...if you haven't read it, I recommend you do. It is mind-blowing.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/b/black-edwin/ibm-and-the-holocaust....

This is an incredible book that documents the links between IBM, its German subsidiary Dehomag, and the Prescott Bush connection to the bank that made the Holocaust possible: The systematic cataloging of German, Polish, Austrian and other citizens via the Hollerith punch card. How did the Nazis do it? With American cash and support.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1898655


Carl Brennan Sun Jun-27-04 08:23 PM
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Nazis in the Republican Party

The other day I posted some information on Nazi links to the Republican Party after Bush tried to imply in an ad that the democrats are Nazis.

A Fresh Look
by Carla Binion
Nazis and the Republican Party
Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in BLOWBACK that after World War II, Nazi émigrés were
given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U.S. These Nazis assumed prominent positions
in the Republican Party's "ethnic outreach committees." Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not
come to America as individuals but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas.

snip

Simpson shows how the State Department and the CIA put high-ranking Nazis on the intelligence payroll "for
their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare," among other purposes. The most important Nazi
employed by the U.S. was Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's most senior eastern front military intelligence officer. After
Germany's defeat became certain, Gehlen offered the U.S. certain concessions in exchange for his own
protection. Gehlen promoted hyped up cold war propaganda on behalf of the political right in this country, and
helped shape U.S. perceptions of the cold war.


Journalist Russ Bellant (OLD NAZIS, THE NEW RIGHT, AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY) shows that
Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi war collaborator, built the Republican émigré network. Pasztor, who served as
adviser to Republican Paul Weyrich, belonged to the Hungarian Arrow Cross, a group that helped liquidate
Hungary's Jews. Pasztor was founding chairman of the Republican Heritage Groups Council.


Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week,
disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The
article prompted six leaders of Bush's coalition to resign.
According to Russ Bellant, Nazi collaborators involved in the Republican Party included:
1.Radi Slavoff, GOP Heritage Council's executive director, and head of "Bulgarians for Bush." Slavoff was a
member of a Bulgarian fascist group, and he put together an event in Washington honoring Holocaust
denier, Austin App.
2.Florian Galdau, director of GOP outreach efforts among Romanians, and head of "Romanians for Bush."
Galdau was once an Iron Guard recruiter, and he defended convicted Nazi war criminal Valerian Trifa.
3.Nicholas Nazarenko, leader of a Cossack GOP ethnic unit. Nazarenko was an ex-Waffen SS officer.
4.Method Balco, GOP activist. Balco organized yearly memorials for a Nazi puppet regime.
5.Walter Melianovich, head of the GOP's Byelorussian unit. Melianovich worked closely with many Nazi
groups.
6.Bohdan Fedorak, leader of "Ukrainians for Bush." Fedorak headed a Nazi group involved in anti-Jewish
wartime pogroms.

more

http://www.bartcop.com/nazigop.htm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1872652


Solon ( Thu Jul-01-04 02:52 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. Here's the source...

Excerpt:

Walter S. Carpenter, Jr. had been chairman of the finance committee of the Du Pont Corporation (1930-40). In 1933, Carpenter oversaw Du Pont's purchase of Remington Arms from Sam Pryor and the Rockefellers, and led Du Pont into partnership with the Nazi I.G. Farben Company for the manufacture of explosives. Carpenter became Du Pont's president in 1940. His cartel with the Nazis was broken up by the U.S. government. Nevertheless, Carpenter remained Du Pont's president as the company's technicians participated massively in the Manhattan Project to produce the first atomic bomb. He was chairman of Du Pont from 1948 to 1962, retaining high-level access to U.S. strategic activities.

Walter Carpenter and Prescott Bush were fellow activists in the Mental Hygiene Society. Originating at Yale University in 1908, the movement had been organized into the World Federation of Mental Health by Montagu Norman, himself a frequent mental patient, former Brown Brothers partner and Bank of England Governor. Norman had appointed as the federation's chairman, Brigadier John Rawlings Rees, director of the Tavistock Psychiatric Clinic, chief psychiatrist and psychological warfare expert for the British intelligence services. Prescott was a director of the society in Connecticut; Carpenter was a director in Delaware.

Source: http://www.unclenicks.net/Canvas/du_pont.html

Being this close to the Du Pont empire, I would say he had knowledge at least, the names of many of the conspirators were not revealed in the Congressional Report. Researching all of this for a Novel I'm going to write. A "What if" as in "What if the Fascist coup succeeded?"

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. . . ."Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there." - William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937.